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The Huey Challenge

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  • From: Auburn, Alabama
Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, December 4, 2007 1:46 AM

Steve,

  Sorry, I haven't been around the forum for a few days.  I'm planning the big move to Bama next week.  I guess I'll repost the pics I posted earlier of your birds, including the one with you in it?  I think you may overestimate my abilities at finding Limas, but it sounds like an interesting challenge.  

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What's the number of this bird your standing by (looks like 4??)?:

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 Don't you know better than to stand in front of the numbers?!  If that is a 4, though, something seems amiss as the first number should be an 8, no?  That is a TH-1L, isn't it?

Ray 

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Posted by Hatter50 on Monday, December 3, 2007 6:59 PM
It "appears" that there are still 5 Active TH-1Ls in the US Civil registry.

Monroe, OR N457CC
Maui, HA N4963F
Fayette, GA N816HF
Dothan, AL N5820X
Cougar, WA N8160G

Might be more lurking under the radar. I'm sure a few more museums have a few squired away.

Regards
Steve
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Posted by Hatter50 on Monday, December 3, 2007 6:58 PM

Cobrahistorian sent me these extra photos of the TH-1L 157838 which resides at the Frontiers of Flight Museum in Dallas, TX.  Cleverly disguised as an Army bird.  Nice paint job though.

Steve

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Posted by Hatter50 on Monday, December 3, 2007 5:31 PM

Hey Jon,

I think the N number is N7UW, with BN of 157838.  They bought it from someone in Dallas.  I found this infor in the FAA registry.

Regards
Steve

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Posted by Hatter50 on Monday, December 3, 2007 3:20 PM

Thanks Jon,

They might be off on Mondays as I haven't heard back from them.  I'll beat on thier house again tomorrow.  Horrible paint job anyway.  Confused [%-)]

Regards
Steve

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  • From: Aaaaah.... Alpha Apaches... A beautiful thing!
Posted by Cobrahistorian on Monday, December 3, 2007 3:13 PM

Steve,

I'll see what else I've got on the FoF bird.  I don't have access to my photo files here at work, but I had posted that shot earlier so it was in my Photobucket account.  It does have a civilian registration as well, so when I get home, I'll post whatever else I've got on it.

Jon

"1-6 is in hot"
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Posted by empeter on Monday, December 3, 2007 2:28 PM

This is inside 157817 at the American Helicopter Museum

A bad picture of the tail.

 

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Posted by Hatter50 on Monday, December 3, 2007 2:02 PM

Hey Aaronw,

First, thank you.  I was getting the impression that N204VC was possibly gone.  I note that N204VC went to them from NAF China Lake which had first aquired it.  I also note that the bell 204s probably more pointedly the 540 rotorheaded birds had a few expensive ADs to contend with.  I think the 1996 TH-1L crash during logging ops where the verticle fin brokeoff had a lot to do with that.  Lots of civilian TH-1Ls kinda deregistered about then.

And Cobrahistorian, I have a message into the Frontiers of Flight Museum to nail down that Bureau number.  Thanks for the tip on that one.

Aaron, I also show another TH-1L 157827 that is, or was stored at Camarillo Airport for Ventura County, any status on that?  Have you seen anything there?

Thanks all,

Regards
Steve

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Posted by Aaronw on Monday, December 3, 2007 12:38 PM
1578346429N204VC

 

The Ventura County ship is probably in a bone yard if its still listed with Ventura County. I know Ventura County Fire Department had a 204 at one time but they upgraded to a 205 at least 7 years ago. The 204's are rarely used for fire anymore because they can not be certified for carrying passengers which makes them fairly useless for a helitack crew. CDF used to fly a few as well but those also have been replaced with 205's.

You do see contract 204's on fires occasionally since they can fly buckets and sling loads but I've only seen them in very busy fire seasons when pretty much anything with a rotor will be accepted.

 

 

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Posted by Hatter50 on Monday, December 3, 2007 7:56 AM

Cobrahistorian,

I figured that Ray would be the first to post.  But then you must be up a bit earlier.  Thanks for that picture.  That might be the same one i saw sitting is some farmers field south of Ft Worth in Burleson about 10 years ago.  Whistling [:-^]

Hoist "stuff" removed but I do see the hoist tube stub still in place.  I'll do some checking.  You must look at Data plates when you get a chance?

Again, Thank you.  A new "direction" to go in.

Regards
Steve

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Monday, December 3, 2007 7:43 AM

Hatter,

I'm not sure the BuNo, but apparently the Huey at the Frontiers of Flight museum in Ft. Worth is a Lima model.  It is in Army colors, but their exhibit copy identifies it as a Lima.  Unfortunately, I don't have a good shot of it here, but this'll do for now:

 

"1-6 is in hot"
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Posted by Hatter50 on Monday, December 3, 2007 7:01 AM

Here is 157840

Regards
Steve

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Posted by Hatter50 on Monday, December 3, 2007 6:58 AM

Here is 157839 on a cross country flight.

Regards
Steve

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Posted by Hatter50 on Monday, December 3, 2007 6:55 AM

Here is the rest of the TH-1L (157847) thats connected to that tail.  This bird was destroyed in a crash.

Regards
Steve

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Posted by Hatter50 on Monday, December 3, 2007 6:53 AM

So, I'll add the first photo. 

Regards
Steve

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The Huey Challenge
Posted by Hatter50 on Monday, December 3, 2007 6:51 AM

The Huey Challenge

We will see if "Rotorwash" can come up with the "goods".  Smile [:)]  Hope you can help Ray.  (I hope the spreadsheet comes through ok, was a bear to paste here).

This is a list of all the US Navy's TH-1Ls built (45).  (Bell 204 with the 540 rotorhead).  These were used for advanced training at NAS Ellyson Field and NAS Whiting Field in the 70s/and early 80s.  Of the survivors most went to AMARC in the early 1980s and many were released to the civilian market, schools, and museums.

The challenge is to "find" a photo of each of these 45 TH-1Ls in either it's original Navy paint or in civilian paint.   There is no Ultimate purpose, just to see what the power of the internet can do.

Here is what I have been able to do:  I'll tell you from searching, that it isn't an easy task.  I've tried.

 

    1.  Joe Baugher's Serial Number Website:  http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/
            a.  Joe lists 157806-157850.  These are good numbers.

            b.  Joe has listed 157859-157903 as a second serial of TH-1Ls also.  I  find no evidence of those ever existing.

    2. I personally have flown 41 of the 45.  The ones I missed were either assigned elsewhere or written off in earlier accidents.

    3.  I won't post photos from Airliner.net but I'll link to their site.  I've found a few.

    4.  I've found a few TH-1Ls at NAF China Lake (Targets) and I will link to their site:   http://www.chinalakealumni.org/index.htm

    5.   I've searched the FAA registry and found several registered and  deregistered TH-1Ls. Searched the NTSB and  found the Civilian USA accidents.

    6.  Note that all TH-1Ls served in the red and white paint jobs.  But not all red and white paint jobs are TH-1L's.  HT-18 was the primary squadron flying these aircraft.  At times the squadron had over 70 aircraft in it, well over the maximum number of TH-1Ls.  After Vietnam wound down, all the surviving Navy UH-1Ls (157851-157858) migrated to Whiting Field.  As the Marine Corps traded in their UH-1Es for the UH-1Ns, the "best" of those "E's" migrated to Whiting.  Once they got painted in their training garb, it is very hard to differentiate between the models except for the Bureau Number.  I can't prove it yet, but I believe that originally the Side Numbers, started with 136 and went to 180.  With the additions of the UH-1Ls and the UH-1E I believe that this numbering system got interfered with. 

    7.  The problem with this challenge are the years gone by.  It's going to take someone with a shoebox of photos. 

    8.  I've found 14 registered by FAA,  5 appear to have crashed, some numerous times.  A series of FAA "AD"s were issued on the aircraft requiring costly fixes so their numbers appear to have dwindled in the civilian world.

    9.  Rotospot:  World rotorcraft registration:  A cursory look found 1 in Portugal.  http://www.geocities.com/rotorspot/index.htm

   10.  I'll begin adding the photos that I have.  Sorry to say I was more busy flying then, than taking photos.  If you can no ore than point me into new directions for a search, I'll be happy.

I will try to keep the Spreadsheet up to date with any info provided.

Thanks for looking and taking part.  Banged Head [banghead]

Regards
Steve

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