"Death in the Courtyard" *finished, more pics, page 15*

 I like what I'm seeing. Is that the clear sprue as the water stream? That water spouting thing is something I have seen 100 times and never paid attention to. As far as repilicating the effect that is probably as good an idea as any. You have 2 streams one farther than the other due to pressure. It seems to be coming out as fast as a turned on garden hose with regards to the shape of the arch. Just thinking the closed barrel lid would make more of a chugging effect. Is it a rain barrel? Lotsa thought you could put into such a scene.

The figures are looking absolutely fantastic! The Germans equipment , rifle and the whole works is really convincing and the poses of the G.I.s very tense. Tells a great story.  I'm checking out that wagon as well.

The barrel reminded me of this one:

"Go tell th' boys to line up, Joe. We got fruit juice fer breakfast..."

Hans von Hammer wrote:

The barrel reminded me of this one: "Go tell th' boys to line up, Joe. We got fruit juice fer breakfast..."

zokissima wrote:

I love your attention to the little details. This one is looking to be a winner, and not to mention an inspiration in composition. See if you can use heat to warp the stream of water a bit, especially near the end, where it would hit the ground.

A 30.06 bullet hole in a piece of wood is just a hole...  It's the back-side that's damaged...

Another reason I hate Hollywood.. All their "bullets" blow stuff back at the shooter (from the firing of the squibs)... 

I don't know if an exit wound would make much blood, and this probably wouldn't work well, but what if the pooled water were close enough to the dead guy to mix with the blood?

It would look like blood... Besides, dead guys don't bleed... They leak... Once the heart stops, there's no real bleeding, more of an "ooze" from gravity if there's a lower exit wound.  Otherwise it pools in the body...

 Hello MR,

 Was thinking about splashin water. Would it be possible to use a heavy gel medium, something artist use to add thickness/texture paint. The heavy stuff is nearly as thick as peanut butter and comes in either a gloss, semi-gloss, or matte finnish. Think Ol Shep used it for water in a couple of his dio's. Or maybe a combination of the stretched clear sprue and heavy gel. 

 Really like the dio so far,

 Best Regards, 

   Manny coming along nice. I'm really looking foward to seeing the GIs painted up.

   Try one min two part epoxy resin for the water splashes. A little bit around were the sprue hits the ground and tease it with a tooth pick. I've not tried this but I've been told it works for bullet's hitting water and the splashes you'll need wont be near as high.

   Also the affect of a high powered rifle round hitting a sealed wooden barrel of water, first the round would go right through and if the barrel was topped off the lid probably would have at least broken its seal if not split. So the water streaming that fast would be plausible imo

I doubt thare would be a through & through with a barrel of water...  Contrary to popular belief, water has a tendency to shatter bullets..

Hans von Hammer wrote:

I doubt thare would be a through & through with a barrel of water...  Contrary to popular belief, water has a tendency to shatter bullets..

  Sorry to dissagree Hans But I've shot 55 gal drum's, both plastic and metal ,full of water and jacketed  rounds have gone clean through.

Heh.. Only one way to settle it, Panzerguy... I'll grab m' k-98 and head out to the bro-in-law's tomorrow...  He's got a pretty good junkpile back in the woods with good berm and I got a thousand rounds of FMJ 7.62 NATO... Think I can spare a couple dozen clips fer science...

Even if I'm wrong, I get to shoot...

 Had to go test this one out! Tried a couple of old kegs full of water! Open top and closed. The non- jacketed stuff  didn't go through but probably cuz it splattered so bad on impact. 22 cal. Jacketed stuff went through but not straight. Came out but no real pattern. Up down side all over. AS far as the water you can get away with just about anything captureing a moment in time. Does all kinds of stuff has a mind of its's own.

 Now when the Sheriff shows up to investigate gun-fire. Just tell him your doing research for Death in a Court Yard. Manstein's revenge  needs to know and will settle the dispute between PanzerGuy and Hans von Hammer!

Yeah that'll work!

sfcmac wrote:

Hey go for it! The story will work! If you can't trust an Ex -Army Recruiter who can you trust?

...I was sorta surprised to hear how easily rounds traveled through that much water and went "through and through"...in scale terms I's say that barrel is about 2-3 scale feet wide at the center??? That's a lot of H2O...

Hans von Hammer wrote:

I'll grab m' k-98 and head out to the bro-in-law's tomorrow...

I don't know about that.... because in the dio it a German who got hit so would'nt you need an allied wepon you'll have to ask Manny what kind of weapon did the shooting LOL

Great work on the dio Manny the water from the berole is prety cool.

stick man wrote:

Hans von Hammer wrote: I'll grab m' k-98 and head out to the bro-in-law's tomorrow...    I don't know about that.... because in the dio it a German who got hit so would'nt you need an allied wepon you'll have to ask Manny what kind of weapon did the shooting LOL

My Mauser is an Israeli-modified K-98.  It's chambered for 7.62 NATO/.308 Winchester... So I'm firing "Allied" ammo through an "Axis" rifle... .30-06 of WW2 is the same size bullet as the .308, it was just a longer cartridge...

stick man wrote:

Hans von Hammer wrote: I'll grab m' k-98 and head out to the bro-in-law's tomorrow...    I don't know about that.... because in the dio it a German who got hit so would'nt you need an allied wepon you'll have to ask Manny what kind of weapon did the shooting LOL Great work on the dio Manny the water from the berole is prety cool.

Outstanding job on the water streams, Manny.

Here's my take on it. 

With recognition of the "physics" of the whole issue, and with respect and deference to the smarter-than-I people here arguing that point, I think that the "spouting water" effect conveys precisely what you want the viewer to take away from the scene. This is a perfect example of "Artistry" in action!

How many times in Holllywood movies do you see something where you know that the laws of Physics are being egregiously broken, but you still say "WOW! That's COOL!!", and you "get" what the director is trying to say? Like the latest Indiana Jones movie--the whole thing was an abuse of Physics! LOL!

Visually, it's like putting a huge pair of shoes on a guy to show that he's clumsy just by looking at him.

I would say don't change a thing--the artistry implicit here makes it perfect for the scene. People looking at that spouting water are gonna say "Oh COOL! Look at where the bullets hit the water barrel!" They're not going to argue the physics of the thing.

The whole thing is blo*dy auwfull because i didnt do it ,LOL. i like everything about this one so far. the casuaty is painted well the layout is very good and the barrel is     well  Spot on! Just a simple thing like that and its made the scene so much more interesting. Its ideas like that that are worth thier weight in gold in my oppinion.Well done.

I might have to pinch that idea in the future Manny but dont worry i will pay you royalties

the doog wrote:

Outstanding job on the water streams, Manny. Here's my take on it.  With recognition of the "physics" of the whole issue, and with respect and deference to the smarter-than-I people here arguing that point, I think that the "spouting water" effect conveys precisely what you want the viewer to take away from the scene. This is a perfect example of "Artistry" in action! How many times in Holllywood movies do you see something where you know that the laws of Physics are being egregiously broken, but you still say "WOW! That's COOL!!", and you "get" what the director is trying to say? Like the latest Indiana Jones movie--the whole thing was an abuse of Physics! LOL! Visually, it's like putting a huge pair of shoes on a guy to show that he's clumsy just by looking at him. I would say don't change a thing--the artistry implicit here makes it perfect for the scene. People looking at that spouting water are gonna say "Oh COOL! Look at where the bullets hit the water barrel!" They're not going to argue the physics of the thing.

What more can I say?