8 New Vignettes

defcon1 and hellcat man - Thanks for your informative input. I have actually learned a bit last couple days about figures (Im a total figure newbie) reading your comments.

I guess that is *my*  worth... the feedback on MM posting may not be heeded by his builders, but serve as a lesson to readers of the thread. 

Bronto

So how is someone treating him bad by not liking a model and point out ways to improve his purchases?   I guess in this PC world of today anything besides blowing smoke at someone is treating them bad.

lol are you serious? Honestly, I get your point about improvement, and all that. What my question to you and Arty are, why do you guys keep it up? I mean, c'mon, Gino's been here for a hella long time, and he knows it ain't gonna change. If you guys are the experts, why degrade yourself to the point of insanity; of which the clinical definition is one whom repeats the same action, expecting a differing re-action.

There was a huge thread of MM's making before that actually exposed much of his relationship with his builders, and if anything, his honesty created even more animosity towards the guy, save for a couple of members that withdrew since they clearly saw nothing was going to change.

Further, the typical aggravating comments just encourage more negativity. I find the threads dealing with MM to be an exposition of hypocrisy of the FSM community. We all somehow get our feathers ruffled at the very mention of "rivet counters", yet please someone try to tell me that it is something else entirely that goes on in these threads....

Not ignoring the obvious facts that over time, yes, improvements maybe should be made, should be even expected, as we are all modelers striving over time to improve our skills. However, some of the comments here are just borderline absurd in their complexity of destruction of the work posted. As with the guy on the 2nd page, calling up his whatever to verify that sniper teams work in twos, pointing out the incorrectness of shoelaces, etc etc. Pages and pages of this stuff. And most of the errors, as Gino pointed out many times, are ALWAYS the same, but we as a community have constantly elaborated in our methodologies of tearing down that which was posted. You think a guy who can't shave off a seam or fill a gap is going to give a flying **** about the tonal variation of a uniform, or the fact that the camo pattern may be off by some combination? Heck, he found a pic somewhere, copied it, and as far as he's concerned, its correct enough.

Like I have said before, I keep critiquing his work so other, new members especially, will see that they are not up to par and so they can learn how not to make models.  To those who focus on the negative side of it, I have posted that some of them have been good (when they were) and highlighted improvements.  Take it or leave it, I will not ignore the mediocre models that he plays off as expertly built by his "professional" builders.

I also agree with what bbrownii posted in the "Ukraine, Summer 1943" thread that everyone is all bothered about as well:

"...the guy takes a pounding in here, but he keeps on posting "his" work.  But I also certainly don't have an issue with comments like Gino's.  They are born out of YEARS of frustration with MM and his general unwillingness to participate in the forum beyond posting his latest purchase and acknowledging the 'attaboys'."

Participating here as an actual model building member would help his case in my eyes.  Until that happens, I will continue to have no respect for him.  If anyone has an issue with that, sorry, don't read what I post about it.  Just as some of you are asking why don't we who critique just ignore and not comment on MM's post.

Jester75

As I have stated in another post, if you will look back through his threads there have been multiple occasions where he as acknowledged advice that was posted and noted that he would pass it on to his builders. But you tell me, why would anyone want to respond to the garbage that you and others post in his threads?? I would ignore you and the "others" as well. I mean face it, your initial post was pure junk and contributed aboslutely nothing to anything did it not???

Thanks so much, Jester, for reassuring my acknowledgement and notion. My modelers did get some advice. You're right, why would I respond to those garbages. Comments from someone like Gino, aj and Bronto I don't bother even reading, let alone replying!

Model Maniac

 

Jester75:

 

As I have stated in another post, if you will look back through his threads there have been multiple occasions where he as acknowledged advice that was posted and noted that he would pass it on to his builders. But you tell me, why would anyone want to respond to the garbage that you and others post in his threads?? I would ignore you and the "others" as well. I mean face it, your initial post was pure junk and contributed aboslutely nothing to anything did it not???

 

 

Thanks so much, Jester, for reassuring my acknowledgement and notion. My modelers did get some advice. You're right, why would I respond to those garbages. Comments from someone like Gino, aj and Bronto I don't bother even reading, let alone replying!

Well, really, you gotta understand both perspectives here. You've been posting on this site for a long time. I myself have usually just give you the positive comments to keep posting, especially since you are one of the ONLY sources of Soviet modeling that gets put here, and I appreciate that. However, I am curious, do you find the advice given to you as something that does not actually interest you, or are you just satisfied with a build, however it turns out, and don't really care to have them improve, or is there another reason?

Personally, even though the dios may have been inaccurate or whatever, some of the figs I thought were decently painted.

The problem I see is the way he presents his diorama. He presents it like it has historical accuracy.  A few years back in another forum (IPMS BA), I told him in order to seized or reduced criticism on historical accuracy is not to use historic title. Place Science fiction, What if or reenactment on your title so no one will comment on Russian troops armed with AK-47 in the eastern Front, LVT in Normandy, Initial Tiger I with SS armed with MP44, Nashorn in the battle of Stalingrad, US troops in Berlin,  etc.

Another problem is he don't reply to all honest criticism but he always respond to all praises.

Now  I totally agree with his posting it as a historical accuracy without researching the build or the background. If are going to label it as something set in a certain time in a certain place then by all means it should be painted and loaded out to match that.

I know i havent posted on these forums for like a year, but model maniac, i honestly like your models, regardless of historical accuracy. I especially like the one with the germans all pointing and looking in one direction

zokissima

 

Model Maniac:

 

 

Jester75:

 

As I have stated in another post, if you will look back through his threads there have been multiple occasions where he as acknowledged advice that was posted and noted that he would pass it on to his builders. But you tell me, why would anyone want to respond to the garbage that you and others post in his threads?? I would ignore you and the "others" as well. I mean face it, your initial post was pure junk and contributed aboslutely nothing to anything did it not???

 

 

Thanks so much, Jester, for reassuring my acknowledgement and notion. My modelers did get some advice. You're right, why would I respond to those garbages. Comments from someone like Gino, aj and Bronto I don't bother even reading, let alone replying!

 

 

 

Well, really, you gotta understand both perspectives here. You've been posting on this site for a long time. I myself have usually just give you the positive comments to keep posting, especially since you are one of the ONLY sources of Soviet modeling that gets put here, and I appreciate that. However, I am curious, do you find the advice given to you as something that does not actually interest you, or are you just satisfied with a build, however it turns out, and don't really care to have them improve, or is there another reason?

Personally, even though the dios may have been inaccurate or whatever, some of the figs I thought were decently painted.

Well, apart from being "one of the ONLY sources of Soviet modeling that gets put here", I usually post most newly-released kits in finished form earlier than anyone else, and today I'll post more in the Armor forum. As said earlier, some advice had been relayed to my builder. Yesterday I told AI not to use too much glue in the windshield. I'm satisfied with most builds. Historical accuracies are of not much importance to me. You see, those who know that it's not historical accurate (maybe from experience) are dead or near dead now. So I better leave that to historians. For me, these military models - Land, Air and Sea - are just toys for my collection. 

Thanks for your kind comments on the painting of figures.

figure freak

I know i havent posted on these forums for like a year, but model maniac, i honestly like your models, regardless of historical accuracy. I especially like the one with the germans all pointing and looking in one direction

Thanks so much for your comments, figure freak! "Joh" has done his best building these figure sets into vignettes and I like them all.