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Posted by Bish on Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:21 PM

Well, the final say will be for hans. But i am sure if it fits withing the guidelines he has set out, it will be fine.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:18 PM

Good to hear, Bish.  You can definitely count me in then. I am leaning towards something along the lines of a sci-fi dio, something I've always wanted to try. Yes

Mike

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:01 PM

I am sure it will rud. A Dio is a Dio, doesn't have to be an aircrfat or piece of armour, or even military for that matter.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:55 PM

I'd love in on this one as long as it remains open to different genres.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:23 AM

Especially for first-timers..

Here's what I do.

Step ONE: 

Do a mock-up with note-book paper or newspaper for the base.. Then place all the models, structures, figures, terrain features, etc in place to get an idea about the size...  Always make the "base fit the diorama", never the "diorama fit the base"...  The models do NOT have to be complete.. They can be mock-ups as well.. Use similar-sized boxes for buildings, lumps of paper towels for terrian features, figures can be mocked-up from erasers and paper-clips...

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:27 AM

All sound good to me.

Hans von Hammer

Feel free to post pics (or a simple but CLEAR narrative) of your technique(s) for arriving at your chosen base-size, initially...

And this is a good idea, getting the base right can make or break a dio before you have even started.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:30 AM

Feel free to post pics (or a simple but CLEAR narrative) of your technique(s) for arriving at your chosen base-size, initially...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:20 AM

Only thing unclear to me is the update pictures part.... do we post WIPS... do we post less of them to not give away too many secrets....do we post only start and finish WIPS....?

K.I.S.S...

Only post what you feel comfortable about... Problems too, if you need help and feel a pic would get it across better...  If you're showing off a figure, fine.. A muzzle brake, cool... Just don't post anything you'd not trust your momma with... Devil

Fer instance, I myself might post pics of a figure conversion, a wall's construction, a particular technique I used to make some chipped Zimmeritt areas, damaged control surfaces and fuselage flak damage, or some rubber cement mask-chipping...

 

 Good idea about keeping the build in here, Steve... Let's make it so...  It's working well for the B-17 and B-25 Group Builds in the Aircraft Hooch...

So, in the next few days, we'll see in here, a combination of AMPS and IPMS Rules, with a KISS Format.  I'll mention it, in the GB Hooch, and that it's happening in HERE, and that it's a combination of a fun-build AND a competition, with all skill-levels having a shot at a prize...

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:31 AM

SteveM

One thing I'd like to request is you guys keep the GB post thread here in the Dios forum. I don't see that breaking any rules- who would complain? Things get swallowed up in the Group Builds forum, and I'd like to stay up with you guys.

I would go with this, i can see there possably being long periods between updates. And it might be easier for guys new to Dio's. Also, if you don't mind the suggestion Hnas. Might be an idea to mention it in the other relivant forums, for those who not not come into the Dio forum but might like to want and give it a go.

Just a thought.

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Posted by SteveM on Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:32 PM

One thing I'd like to request is you guys keep the GB post thread here in the Dios forum. I don't see that breaking any rules- who would complain? Things get swallowed up in the Group Builds forum, and I'd like to stay up with you guys.

Steve M.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:03 PM

Bish

Sounds good. So come on guys, get your butts in on this. Did i read that right and your looking at a start date of around 1st Sept.

Check and a Rog'...

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:02 AM

I`m all for the K.I.S.S. method...if this starts gettin` silly , I`m out. Hammer is the boss, I`m starting everything from scratch so don`t care how big the base is...etc so post the rules and let`s get `r done...lol.

Len Pytlewski

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Posted by kermit on Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:50 AM

I second Bish's remark about the encouragement to start dio building. Would be nice if a group build such as this one would get more people enthousiastic about this particular type of modeling

Therefore a multitude of rules would only complicate matters. 

People apply for this GB..... have to start from the beginning with a base of a certain max. dimension......people will vote afterwards with the host always being right.....

Works for meSmile

Only thing unclear to me is the update pictures part.... do we post WIPS... do we post less of them to not give away too many secrets....do we post only start and finish WIPS....?

Richard

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Sir Winston Churchill

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Posted by sanderson_91 on Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:40 AM

Hans,

Your rules look good to me!  Sept 1st sounds like a good start date as well!

Steve

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:01 AM

Sounds good. So come on guys, get your butts in on this. Did i read that right and your looking at a start date of around 1st Sept.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:58 AM

Hopefully a couple more will chime in, in favor of that format, Bish... Then I can actually write 'em and get to buildng, lol....

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:54 AM

Hans von Hammer

 

A third possibility is a highly condensed version of both formats, 86-ing chicken-sh... .err... I mean, overly "nit-picky" anal-retentive stuff thrown out...

 

That sounds good to me. This could be a good way to encourage people to try building Dio's. Don't want to put them off with to much nit picking.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:52 AM

AMPS:

http://www.amps-armor.org/ampssite/contestRules.aspx

IPMS:

http://www.ipmsusa.org/NCC/Rules_2011.htm

A third possibility is a highly condensed version of both formats, 86-ing chicken-sh... .err... I mean, overly "nit-picky" anal-retentive stuff thrown out...

 

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, August 20, 2011 1:29 AM

Never been in a contest, so no idea how they work, or what the rules are. Will leave it to you Hans. And thanks for letting me in.

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Posted by Subhuman1 on Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:10 AM

No idea how the AMPS or IPMS rules work, but looking at Von Hammers Rule#2 Bow Down , doesn't matter to me. I will just read up on which ever (if any) rules are chosen.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, August 19, 2011 11:21 PM

Ok Bish (and everyone else too)...  Using a previously completed model is OK...  BUT, no using previously completed dioramas or ones that're being "revamped".... The Diorama itself (base, ground-work, structures, figures, etc.. has to be started from scratch on or after the official start date... 

I, as a judge, will recuse myself...  However, I'm going to build one  "alongside" y'all, and in full compliance with the rules..  Rules will be posted in the GB Hooch NLT 1Sep 2011...  Hee's a sampling though...

1. Judge's decisions are final.  No arguing or back-chanel BS...

2. The Judge is always right.

3. If the judge is wrong, see Rule 2.Wink

Q: Should we use AMPS or IPMS format fior full rules? Or should KISS them? Input, please...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, August 19, 2011 11:04 PM

Does the dio have to be military in nature or whatever we want to do?

di-o-ram-a:  di·o·ram·a- (d-rm, -räm) - n.

 A three-dimensional miniature or life-size scene in which figures, stuffed wildlife, or other objects are arranged in a naturalistic setting against a painted background.
In other words, build what ya want, TM...Wink
It doesn't have to be military, no... According to Shep Pines, my personal diorama hee-ro, "A diorama, in the modern sense, has come to mean any scene exeecuted in three dimensions, whether it is enclosed in a box or not."...
IMNSHO, the best dioramas do two things:
1: They show the subject "doing it's thing".
2: They tell a story (and a side-story sometimes)...
The story should be obvious and immediately apparent to the viewer... The viewer shouldn't need the diorama action (or in-action) explained to him/her...  If you include a narrative, it should be no longer than 2 or three lines...
If it takes a paragraph (or more) to describe what's happening, you've got a weak story... Any of the "Well, maybe this guy's doing this thing, or just finished doing that thing" stuff from a couple of viewers will result in confusion and generally indicates a poorly thought-out storyline... 
Telling the viewer what's happening, what the story is, should be done in a single word or three, if any narrative is needed...  An example of Shep's wording went like this: "A diorama of a Sherman tank, with a dead crewman hangin' out the hatch with the tank commander desparately trying to get his .50 cal working, but to no avail, could be titled with something like "Jammed!...  Drama and action...
A couple of dismounted GIs at a crossroads (with a sign nearby reading "Malmedy-8Km", with their M8 Greyhounds pointing in different directions, and holding maps  coud be titled, "Lost"...
With the M8s pointing in different directions, and one TC looking down at his map while the other points down a road, we know who's doing the talking, and who's doing the listening, and the story is readily apparent to the viewer... It's December, 1944, the Battle of the Bulge, just prior to the "Malmedy Massacre", and these two M8 crews are about to have a really bad day...
A '75 Vette at a gas station dio with a sign reading "NO GAS TODAY" hastily painted and set near the pumps, with the "Vetteman" Wink and Staion-owner in a shouting match tells us that it's 1976 or so, and the Arab Oil Embargo has hit home to the 'Vetteman...
So just build what ya want, and feel free to brain-storm about it...

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Posted by Subhuman1 on Friday, August 19, 2011 9:54 PM

For what it is worth, it is no bother to me. Just someone else to lose that Shep Paine book to :)

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Posted by sanderson_91 on Friday, August 19, 2011 9:13 PM

Hans von Hammer

Bish: Hans, the only way i could come on board is if i could do a Dio for a kit thats already been built.

I dunno, have to mull it over a bit, Bish...Meanwhile,  Whatta y'all think? Is it OK with ya? 

 

Hans:

I'm OK with including a kit that's already built.  I'm not planning on using something already built or in progress but have not problem with anyone else doing so. 

Steve

 

 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Friday, August 19, 2011 5:21 PM

I`ll give it a shot...built a Wright Flyer dio once for my kids school but wasn`t very difficult, just sand on a base..lol.  I have no idea what I`ll be doing though. Does the dio have to be military in nature or whatever we want to do?

Len Pytlewski

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Posted by Bish on Friday, August 19, 2011 3:31 PM

O go on, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, August 19, 2011 3:06 PM

Bish: Hans, the only way i could come on board is if i could do a Dio for a kit thats already been built.

I dunno, have to mull it over a bit, Bish...Meanwhile,  Whatta y'all think? Is it OK with ya? 

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, August 19, 2011 3:03 PM

VanceCrozier

Re: RE:Diorama Broup Build/Contest

 

uhhh Hans.... what's a "Broup"? Embarrassed Wink

Noticed that too.. Dunno what y'all did to screw up your post-titles...Wink

Gotcha covered, 101...

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Posted by 101stAirborne on Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:36 PM

I'll join, but I am going to finish a diorama I already started so don't enter me in the competition, just the Group Build. Besides I have the Shep Paine book anyway.

Models on the bench:

Too many to count!

  

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Posted by sanderson_91 on Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:37 PM

I'd like to join this build if you've got the room!  I've never done a diorama so I think that this would be a good time to start.  I've been wanting to do one for quite a while but can't seem to get motivated to follow through.  I think a build with some rules and a deadline are a great way to start out.  Not sure what I'll do, but I have plenty in the stash to choose from.  Thanks!

Steve

 

 

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