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How to Photograph Your Models at little cost to you.Photography on the cheap. Lights,Camera,Action ! All of the pics that I have taken over the last five years or so and published in my photobucket ,

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 7:15 AM

The title of this piece is "Keepers of the Flame" 1918-1927" an era when aviation was struggling to survive commercially.

Not to be a stick in the mud, John... But had you not explained it, I wouldn't have had a clue what it was about...   Frankly, I thought it was a scene from a Bogart movie...

While the construction and photography is almost flawless, I think you dropped the ball with the story...

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Posted by JohnReid on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 6:46 AM

Here I have mixed a 1/18th scale car with  1/16th figures.I took the pic at a low angle,an upshot, to help conceal the difference.I wanted to see how close I could bring the background figures to the car and still be believable.
The figures are only underpainted and I just let the shadows do the rest.By keeping it slightly out of focus helps a lot too.
The car is a diecast and the figures were only slightly modified.It could be  nighttime but this garage  is very well lit or it could be daytime with the windows facing a dark storage area or in wartime even blacked out.
You could build many stories into this scene but here again it is pretty much left to the viewers imagination.The title is really not necessary.
The secret here is in the composition and sometimes just a slightly cocked head on one figure gives you the impression that the other figure is saying something interesting.

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 6:23 AM

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Monday, September 5, 2011 4:50 AM

Here is another pic that I played a bit with in photobucket.Originally in color I wanted to see what it would look like in B&W.
I have used the carpenter's shop as the main source of light and a little overhead light to create shadows on the figures.Depth is achieved by the floorboards with a little added interest created by the light patterns on the floor.
The carpenter's shop is a self-contained unit heated in winter with a wood/coal stove.The door at the far end leads to the dispatch/airmail office.
This downshot was taken when the roof was removed from the main hangar.A lot of my shots are taken while the diorama is underway as it  would be impossible to take them now.
The title of this piece is "Keepers of the Flame" 1918-1927" an era when aviation was struggling to survive commercially.
It is in honor of the risk takers,entrepreneurs&barnstormers,air show men,airmail providers etc...A period in aviation not well known today to the public.
Here the emphasis is on the guy with the tie,a large imposing figure trying to get his point across in a rather intimidating way.He could be the owner,the airport manager or a mobster but he definitely is being listened to.What is he saying? Well that is left up to the viewers imagination.

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Monday, September 5, 2011 4:17 AM

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, September 4, 2011 10:17 AM

JohnReid

Your own creativity is what really counts !

Actually, the ability to execute on your creativity is what really counts!

I'm a very creative person, but I SUCK at drawing and painting. I, like everyone else in my family, lack any concept of rhythm or pitch. So I write, build models, and take pictures.

I also know a lot of very creative people - artists, musicians, designers - who SUCK at photography because they can't use the tool to properly execute on their creative impulses. Resulting in poor lighting, backlit subjects, motion or camera blur, people's heads in the smack dab middle of the frame, etc.

Creativity is important. The ability to capture it, moreso.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

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Posted by JohnReid on Sunday, September 4, 2011 9:34 AM

Your own creativity is what really counts !

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by HisNHer Tanks on Sunday, September 4, 2011 8:44 AM

My brother is a professional, has formal training and a REAL camera, and still sucks :)

 

I have learned that digital means no film which means if it didn't look right who cares, take another till you like it.

 

I have learned, shoot on a bright lit day helps, lots of white background helps for doing stills and see to it the camera is on 'something' to keep it still as it sure helps.

 

But I have also learned, if you plan to do work that is within 12 inches of the camera, you likely need either real skill, or a camera that actually is meant for other than tourist snapshots.

Tamiya 1/48th scale armour fan

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Posted by JohnReid on Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:48 AM

Here is the same group of figures under different lighting.The sun is bright and almost overhead maybe shining down through some windows high on the hangar doors.I used the same hand help camera and lights.The biplanes wings and struts help to frame the pic.By using the shadows on the floor it helps to enhance the 3D effect.
The old sheet in the carpenters shop window has been pulled back to let some light in and also allows us to see the far wall for the same reason.The windows on the back wall open into a darkened storage area.
The idea here is to get the viewer wondering about what they could be talking about.I have left a space in the grouping to allow the viewer's imagination access to the conversion.Here again the era is around the 1920's when smuggling booze across the border was a popular thing to do.In my mind the mobster is trying to convince the barnstormer to bring some stuff in for him while the corrupt official looks on.

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:01 AM

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, September 3, 2011 11:14 AM

BTW.. This thread wins for "The Longest Thread Title EVER"...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, September 3, 2011 11:13 AM

I have a little Kodak P&S that I got offa Ebay for 16 bucks.. Works fine for me.. I just edit the photos in the computer, and do the enlargements (rather than shooting close-ups)in there using the Crop feature, which automatically enlarges the photo... 

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Posted by El Taino on Saturday, September 3, 2011 9:31 AM

Dre: I never tried the 120-300 F/2.8 but some say it is as good or better than the 300 F/2.8. I used it for years with a 1.4x TC and don't complaint at all considering it was used in camera with a crippled AF Module (by today's standards).

If one day the 170-500mm crosses your mind, run away from it as fast as you can.

You all fellow modelers have a nice and safe long weekend. Over!

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Posted by El Taino on Saturday, September 3, 2011 9:15 AM

For the most part I use a point and shoot compact camera for small the workbench. The amount of depth-of-field I get without having to set a tripod is a great help.

This is a good sample of a picture with good DOF without a tripod and having to resort to closing the F/ Stop on a massive 1:1 macro lens.

Why would I pick this on the workbench:

When I can get what I need with this:

I better leave the big gun for this:

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Posted by JohnReid on Saturday, September 3, 2011 8:08 AM

 

This shot was taken using my hand held light and hand held camera technique.
I simply used my clip on light and shone it through the window to see what I could come up with.I am looking to set a mood with a little drama built in.Technically there are probably a thousand things wrong with the pic but I like it and I don't try to please anyone else.
I am a great admirer of Sergio Leone the Italian movie director,who is my self appointed creative mentor and this is the way he operated too.
In this pic I have used the open door at the rear and the shadows across the floor to create a more 3D effect.
The foreground is out of focus for a reason, as it tends to put the figures in the limelight.The bar through the middle guys face was a compromise between his face (which was really not all that well painted) and the meds box over his shoulder.The box in my mind represents the great cost in injury and lives in the early days of aviation and I wanted it in.Sometimes with my hand held camera I am very restricted in movement when I am actually reaching into the diorama itself.
What does this scene tell us ? We are inside an old building made of wood,the clothing styles are from early in the last century,the flag indicates it is air force military.The airplane is a biplane although it would work just a well with a car ,truck,boat whatever.It is probably early morning with the sun low on the horizon and the environment is a little dusty with even some smoke in the air.
Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 3, 2011 8:03 AM

DoogsATX

 JohnReid:

Photography on the cheap.

Lights,Camera,Action !
All of the pics that I have taken over the last five years or so and published in my photobucket ,were taken for the cost of the camera alone and that I got on sale ! The rest is just stuff that I had laying around the house.No expensive tripods,special lighting or other equipment is required.The modern day camera does it all for you,the only thing that you have to do is a simple setup.Put it on "Auto" and off you go ! You can experiment to your hearts content (no more film cost to worry about) If only one pic in fifty turns out so what ! Have fun.

First the camera. I will take a pic of it in the mirror for your info.Point and shot,how simple can it be.Prior to the digital era I knew nothing about cameras and it is still that way today.
All the technical stuff leaves me cold and I haven't even read the manual for the digital I am using now ! (some would say it shows LOL) If I can take reasonable pics anyone can do it.
The only real secret to good pic taking is using your creativity to set the scene up, in other words, arranging the stuff in a nice way (composition).This will come with experience.Just start shooting ! Here's how I do it....

 

I'm going to disagree somewhat.

Yes, you can certainly set up a photo booth on the cheap, and there's no need to throw down on spendy lights, light tents, etc. My lights are simple shop lights (the metal reflector/spring clamp type) - about $6 each. My backdrops are posterboard. My tripod is a $20 Target special.

Personally, because I shoot a lot more than just models, and shoot a lot of pictures of the kids, I hate point-and-shoots. Small sensors, ridiculous noise at even moderate ISOs, long depth of field (useful in macro, granted) that makes pictures look flat, shutter lag, etc. If I want to grab a quick snapshot, I can use my iPhone. But if I'm going to specifically take a camera with me, I'll grab my DSLR.

But whatever. Point-and-shoots can work great for model photography. 

BUT leaving the camera in full-bore AUTO mode can be rather limiting. In fact, I would strongly recommend three manual settings:

1 - Flash OFF. Onboard flashes are awful. They're only really useful if you're shooting a backlit subject in bright conditions. Otherwise they wash everything out. And if you already have a few lights set up, you don't need the flash anyway.

2 - Aperture - as small as possible (i.e. larger f/number). For a deeper depth of field. Nothing says "model!" like a shallow depth of field.

3 - Timer - If you're going to push the aperture, you're going to have to slow down shutter speed. Setting the timer (I set mine at 2 seconds) means you can hit the shutter, get your hands off the camera, and capture absolutely sharp images.

Apologies - but the "the modern camera does it all for you" is kind of my "Hammer moment". Modern cameras are pretty great, and even the cheapest point-and-shoots can turn out great pictures under the right conditions (of course, the same was true of cheap film cameras). And they can do a lot for you. But AUTO is basically an image sensor and a processor making guesses about what it sees and how to shoot it. And those sensors often make poor assumptions. As with any other tool, knowing your camera and how to dial it in the way you want it makes it that much more powerful.

 

Ditto

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Posted by JohnReid on Saturday, September 3, 2011 6:50 AM

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Friday, September 2, 2011 5:59 PM

Here is a pic I took and then fancied it up using photobucket.
It is a pic of a 1/16th scale engine shop from the 1920's.It could be RR ,marine,auto or whatever.Everything here is scratchbuilt except the engine which was from a highly modified kit.Most of this is built with coffee stir stiks,tongue depressors,plywood or card.The lighting is from a dollhouse and the shades are modified brass Christmas bells.The clear glass is plexiglass savaged from an old parts container.
This is a low angle shot as if your were backing up a truck to pick up a load,probably what you might see in a rear view mirror late on a summers evening.The lights reflected in the window glass adds depth to the scene.The doors act as a frame for the scene and also help to add depth as well.
I took this pic with my old digital camera that didn't have a stabilizer,so all the lighting here is internal not hand held.

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Friday, September 2, 2011 4:59 PM

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Friday, September 2, 2011 7:07 AM

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Friday, September 2, 2011 5:56 AM

My style of photography depends on 3 things
Hand held mobile lighting
Hand held camera with a stabilizer
creative thinking, and breaking the rules

Here is the camera that I use for all my shots,very simple but it must have lens stabilizer as I move it a lot seeking different shooting angles.I use my still camera  like a movie or stage director would if he were taking a one frame movie.My first digital camera didn't have this function so a lot of my early shots were more traditional.The lens stabilizer is really the basis for my style(if you can call it that)
The camera body should be black so it doesn't get reflected by glass or other shiny surfaces.
And that is about it camera wise !

Lighting. I use a hand held clip on with easily changeable ordinary household bulbs and experiment with different types,  wattages and color.The key here is to try everything.
I also use my white ceiling and one of those cheap car maintenance lights from the garage for bouncing light off the ceiling.On occasion when I want a nice moonlight scene I will use just an overhead florescent light.I have even used candles.Experiment and have fun !

And finally use your creativity there are really no wrong ways of doing things just new ways waiting to be discovered.

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by kermit on Thursday, September 1, 2011 11:17 PM

My own Nikon L100 is one of the more high end point and shooters and i bought it just for that quality. Nikon Lense and a plethora of different settings for all kinds of situations and the ability to turn on or off your flash at will make for the camera that fits my needs. Combine that with a 15x optical zoom and i can take pics of models of any size and as close in as i want with the best picture quality.

I did think about getting a camera with more hands on ability but looking back i wouldnt want to change at all.

It has a great macro ability and also a "food" setting that i found is very useful for model photo's as well. It turns off the flash, turns on the macro and gives you color changing settings as you take your picture. Invaluable in case you use artificial lighting and the pics turn out too yellow or blue. 

Yes, alot of modelers also like the photography hobby (because it's creativity too or because it is a necessary side effect of being a modeler posting online...?) but i am not one of them. I just want to pick up my model, put it in my photo booth (poster board with lights from the top and sides) and take a couple; no fuss.

Modern point and shoot camera's do just that IMHO. 

Richard

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Sir Winston Churchill

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:02 PM

JohnReid

Photography on the cheap.

Lights,Camera,Action !
All of the pics that I have taken over the last five years or so and published in my photobucket ,were taken for the cost of the camera alone and that I got on sale ! The rest is just stuff that I had laying around the house.No expensive tripods,special lighting or other equipment is required.The modern day camera does it all for you,the only thing that you have to do is a simple setup.Put it on "Auto" and off you go ! You can experiment to your hearts content (no more film cost to worry about) If only one pic in fifty turns out so what ! Have fun.

First the camera. I will take a pic of it in the mirror for your info.Point and shot,how simple can it be.Prior to the digital era I knew nothing about cameras and it is still that way today.
All the technical stuff leaves me cold and I haven't even read the manual for the digital I am using now ! (some would say it shows LOL) If I can take reasonable pics anyone can do it.
The only real secret to good pic taking is using your creativity to set the scene up, in other words, arranging the stuff in a nice way (composition).This will come with experience.Just start shooting ! Here's how I do it....

I'm going to disagree somewhat.

Yes, you can certainly set up a photo booth on the cheap, and there's no need to throw down on spendy lights, light tents, etc. My lights are simple shop lights (the metal reflector/spring clamp type) - about $6 each. My backdrops are posterboard. My tripod is a $20 Target special.

Personally, because I shoot a lot more than just models, and shoot a lot of pictures of the kids, I hate point-and-shoots. Small sensors, ridiculous noise at even moderate ISOs, long depth of field (useful in macro, granted) that makes pictures look flat, shutter lag, etc. If I want to grab a quick snapshot, I can use my iPhone. But if I'm going to specifically take a camera with me, I'll grab my DSLR.

But whatever. Point-and-shoots can work great for model photography. 

BUT leaving the camera in full-bore AUTO mode can be rather limiting. In fact, I would strongly recommend three manual settings:

1 - Flash OFF. Onboard flashes are awful. They're only really useful if you're shooting a backlit subject in bright conditions. Otherwise they wash everything out. And if you already have a few lights set up, you don't need the flash anyway.

2 - Aperture - as small as possible (i.e. larger f/number). For a deeper depth of field. Nothing says "model!" like a shallow depth of field.

3 - Timer - If you're going to push the aperture, you're going to have to slow down shutter speed. Setting the timer (I set mine at 2 seconds) means you can hit the shutter, get your hands off the camera, and capture absolutely sharp images.

Apologies - but the "the modern camera does it all for you" is kind of my "Hammer moment". Modern cameras are pretty great, and even the cheapest point-and-shoots can turn out great pictures under the right conditions (of course, the same was true of cheap film cameras). And they can do a lot for you. But AUTO is basically an image sensor and a processor making guesses about what it sees and how to shoot it. And those sensors often make poor assumptions. As with any other tool, knowing your camera and how to dial it in the way you want it makes it that much more powerful.

 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by BaBill212 on Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:02 PM

Ah yes, I remember the days too,,,,  all manual. You had to know lighting, speed, exposure, white balance and on and on.....   but, I wouldn't trade the knowledge at all.

You're right, the new digitals are amazing!

I use a relatively inexpensive one for my desktop / workbench photos. I also have a bit of a more high end Olympus that I use for studio shots.

Enjoy the ride!

 

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:15 PM

El Taino, WOW doesn't begin to cover those lenses...   I'd have gotten one if it were not for the wickedly high price of admission, so I looked at KEH.com and found the f/3.5. 

Have you looked at the 120~300 f/2.8?   It's not much larger than a 70~200...

Beautiful planes, man- I love that A1-H.

That backdrop is probably the best DIY solution I've seen for the needs at hand.

A snapping turtle in some local wetlands was the subject of the first test shots with this lens, I used a TC14B converter to get a little closer...

not too bad IMO

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Posted by El Taino on Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:13 PM

MusicCool

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:54 PM

Used to use an RZ-67 for transparencies (not for model kit photos).

Wonderful quality images!

Didn't even need a loupe- (when I was younger Propeller )

Took model kit build photos with 35mm.

 

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:28 PM

Medium format, yum!  I'm thinking of auditing a Photo 101 class at my alma mater just to have access to a traditional wet darkroom... to do B/W large format prints (if I can still get TMX 100 in 4x5 sheets).

I just got a like-new used Nikon 400mm f/3.5 in the mail today.... I really wanted a new f/2.8 but I can't justify a $9,000 purchase that doesn't have wheels...  just in time for football season!

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:08 PM

Modern digital cameras are a marvel.

Thank the electronics industry and NASA for that.

I used to use a spot meter and "bracket" exposures for critical photos.

I still miss medium format- almost no one left to process film.

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How to Photograph Your Models at little cost to you.Photography on the cheap. Lights,Camera,Action ! All of the pics that I have taken over the last five years or so and published in my photobucket ,
Posted by JohnReid on Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:50 PM

Photography on the cheap.

Lights,Camera,Action !
All of the pics that I have taken over the last five years or so and published in my photobucket ,were taken for the cost of the camera alone and that I got on sale ! The rest is just stuff that I had laying around the house.No expensive tripods,special lighting or other equipment is required.The modern day camera does it all for you,the only thing that you have to do is a simple setup.Put it on "Auto" and off you go ! You can experiment to your hearts content (no more film cost to worry about) If only one pic in fifty turns out so what ! Have fun.

First the camera. I will take a pic of it in the mirror for your info.Point and shot,how simple can it be.Prior to the digital era I knew nothing about cameras and it is still that way today.
All the technical stuff leaves me cold and I haven't even read the manual for the digital I am using now ! (some would say it shows LOL) If I can take reasonable pics anyone can do it.
The only real secret to good pic taking is using your creativity to set the scene up, in other words, arranging the stuff in a nice way (composition).This will come with experience.Just start shooting ! Here's how I do it....

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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