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the hard side of war am i wrong for it?

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Posted by M1abramsRules on Sunday, February 15, 2004 1:15 PM
the one photo that comes to mind is that one that was taken, I think on Saipan, where there is a half-sunk transport and the soldier on the beach half-covered in sand with maggots all over him is one that i think is fairly moving
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Posted by reddog-03 on Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:43 AM
Show it.

War is a horrific, brutal struggle. I could go on for hours about it philosophically, but I'll stick to the basic facts. War involves destruction. Destruction of your enemy before he destroys you. As modellers, we think nothing of depicting a rubbled building, a knocked out tank or a crashed airplane. But airplanes, tanks and buildings must have people in them to function. When those things are destroyed, people are killed and mangled along with them. War isn't glamorous but it is necessary for our survival and it demands a great cost in resources and lives. These are sad but true facts of life and we need to face them.

As modellers, we spend vast amounts of time and resources in pursuit of realism on a small scale. Don't stop yourself short. Portraying the dead and wounded doesn't glorify the violence, quite the opposite, it shows the human consequences of the action. To do anything less is to perpetuate an unrealistic image and devalue the sacrifices of those who fought and continue fighting to protect us.

Airborne-All the way!

Doug

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Posted by mark956 on Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:18 AM
Go for it Andy. Good luck in your future project.
mark956
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:24 AM
Warrior is releasing several figures, one is a partially de-composed body of a soldier. The other is a set of skulls wearing German helmets. Saw it over on Hyperscale under 'What's New?'. I don't have any problems with the figures themselves.

Glenn
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 15, 2004 2:02 AM
Go for it, don't worry about the few PC-heads that might object.

Italeri also made wounded figures and figures one stretchers, etc.
Part of the war so why hide it.
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Posted by renarts on Sunday, February 15, 2004 12:28 AM
Whos to judge?
Verlinden and Nemrod both make dead and dieing soldiers for diorama work. I say whatever you feel best conveys your message.

If you want to have the lines going into the pits and showers at Auschweitz, that's your perogative. It's really up to you.

Dioramas are a 3 dimensional representation of a photograph. I say photograph because it conveys that there is some thought or message being presented or conveyed. A snapshot is just that, a random pic of something with no thought. Think of what you are trying to say, or what story you are trying to tell.

Violence for violence sake is a parlor trick and reserved for low budget movies with no story line. No thought, and little creativity and the storyline or message is lost in the sight gag. Personaly I look for that unusual or creative thing that really sends a message or has an impact. Where is the tension and drama of the image? For example. I thought that the WTC crumbling down was dramatic, but the bigger impact was the aftermath. The pic of the guy falling to his death was horrifying and was heartstopping, but the more poigniant photo was of the fire/rescue worker who was exhausted and collapsed with fatigue in a doorway, his search and rescue dog equally fatigued and curled up in his arms. The photo of the marine with half his face gone and his arm torn away at Iwo Jima is shocking, but the more reflective photo of the Marine at Chosin with that thousand yard stare and the whole shock, stress and resignation of his plight reflected in that gaze into the camera lens said volumes of the impact of war. I think you see my point here.

Dioramas are creative expressions of ourselves and our imgainations and reach to each of us differently. Some may be jogged into memory by what they see, others may be indifferent. If you are building it for a contest, expect other peoples expectations of your work. Meaning, don't be surprised or disapointed if they have much different views or reactions of your work. If you build to impress others, you are subject to their whims.

Shep Paine mentions it in his book on Dioramas, pointing out that if you are going to have casualties in your diorama, make them look like they have died or fallen, not stock figures simply laid down or look as though they've fallen. I think it can be done in such a way that conveys your message and will satisfy your thought or idea projected in the project. How it should be judged by you and anyone else is based upon the level of creativity you project.

Good luck with the project, and lets see some pics.

Mike
Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:38 PM
Well I have yet to do my first Dio but I would think that as long as its done tastefully then there shouldn't be to much of a problem,,,atleast as far as I am concerned. I have seen a couple of diorama's that have had dead bodies in them and there was no gorey messes involved. Back to your original question... I dont think your wrong for doing it,,, no,,,, death is a part of war,, besides Verlinden makes a couple of dying figures anyway.
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the hard side of war am i wrong for it?
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:28 PM
hey everybody, i was tyhinking of modeling a dieing soldier in 1/35th scale. I know its not a pleasent thought, but its the hard side of war not alot of people model that i know about, Does anybody think im worng for it? Im looking for imput. i seen 3 dioramas that involve death, its not nice but it happens. So let me know

Andy
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