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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:43 PM
To each his own, I guess. If this member is personally offended, I'd be surprised. He seems to be pretty sure of himself. But you're right, this is getting to be really unproductive. Bye.
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Posted by kenny_conklin on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:45 PM

i didnt read all the replies but is it me or the guy at the far left of the picture behind the tank is throwing a grenade at his own people ??

sorry for not reading all but i skip around cause it is always the same thing with the MM threads and he never listens

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:49 PM
 kenny_conklin wrote:

i didnt read all the replies but is it me or the guy at the far left of the picture behind the tank is throwing a grenade at his own people ??

sorry for not reading all but i skip around cause it is always the same thing with the MM threads and he never listens

OH MY GOD--I was gonna type the SAME thing about a half hour ago but then thought, "naw I've said enough already"! But it's TRUE!!! LOL! Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by kenny_conklin on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:56 PM
 the doog wrote:
 kenny_conklin wrote:

i didnt read all the replies but is it me or the guy at the far left of the picture behind the tank is throwing a grenade at his own people ??

sorry for not reading all but i skip around cause it is always the same thing with the MM threads and he never listens

OH MY GOD--I was gonna type the SAME thing about a half hour ago but then thought, "naw I've said enough already"! But it's TRUE!!! LOL! Laugh [(-D]

lol i guess i may have been the first :)

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Posted by Buddho on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:02 PM
Can a moderator please lock this post?  I think enough has been written, unfortunately.

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Posted by kenny_conklin on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:07 PM

why lock it nothing slanderous or outrightly cruel has been said.

people are just commenting on the same things that MM never listens too

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Posted by kenny_conklin on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:10 PM
if this gets locked soon as MM posts a new thread it should be on automatic lockdown i guess Confused [%-)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:30 PM
 Buddho wrote:

All of you who make fun of Model Maniac and Art Instructor should be ashamed of yourselves. I thought this was an open forum where all could display models without being ridiculed. What good comes out of beating up these posts? What is the matter with you? IF he decides to show his collection of work, then so be it. And if you dont have anything but jokes to reply with, move on to the next post. This is disgusting......

I guess you missed the post where he got personal and insulted several members...he even declared "war" on some...go check that out and come back and apologize to us...sheeesh...
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Posted by jadgpanther302 on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:51 PM
 Hermesminiatures wrote:

Why is the medic carrying normal infantry gear, and a weapon? That was something that didn't happen.

Honestly the tracks look awful, gloss black is not a good color.

The vehicle portrayed served at Tarawa, on the other side of the world - big mistake.

If the ground is soft enough for that much scrub grass to gorw, there will be track marks.

My overall impression with this dio (as with most of the stuff you post, MM) is one of complete mediocrity and carelessness. Whenever I see AI's work I can easily see more things wrong than right. A lot of beginner or intermediate modelers post their work here, which is similar in quality to AI's work. We go easier on them because they are willing to recieve correction, they are desiring to improve thier skills, and most importantly they don't try to justify the gross innacuracies in their builds with this excuse or that excuse.

MM, if you want any respect on this forum, don't come here to show off your "perfect models" - they are far from that. None of us builds "perfect" models, but we try to get as close as possible, and by offering each other tips and suggestions we continually make progress towards that goal. I find some of the dios you post to be pretty cool, and despite some inaccuracies I enjoy looking at them, but I think the reason others don't is because you sometimes try to justify the errors in AI's work, attempting to make it look better than it really is. If you don't have as high a standard as some of us, that is fine, but I think the things you post would be much more well-recived if you could admit that it is not as good as some of our builds.

In my opinion, these are some examples of top-quality diorama building:

 

I can't compare my dios to that - if I did, I'd probably get laughed off this forum, much as you sometimes are. AI's work can be pretty cool at times, but just don't make it out to be more than it is. 

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Posted by ben1227 on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:31 PM

 Buddho wrote:
Can a moderator please lock this post?  I think enough has been written, unfortunately.

As someone mentioned, nothing downright cruel has been directed straight at him. If there was, he most likely deserved it for something that he said. If not, the person who commented crudely about him should rethink what they said. Moderators have final decision anyway...Sign - Dots [#dots]

P.S. -I hope the soldier plans on throwing that smoke nade past his buddies.

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Posted by Kolschey on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:47 PM

This is what I don't get.

The work he's posting isn't even his own work.

Imaginine if you will that this was a forum about fine art.

Every week, I post a drawing that my roomate (let's call him Dave) made. When folks do offer suggestions and criticism, my response is: "I helped him pass Biology last semester, so now he draws pictures for me whenever I ask him."

The question is: Why am I putting this up here? Why isn't Dave answering these questions? Doesn't he even care about these drawings, or is he simply content that I reckon that the weekly sketch is fair payment for the time I spent helping him last semester?

  

 

 

 

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Posted by IanIsBored2000 on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:48 PM

I'm not getting in to this one except to point a couple thing

IMO the building/rubble looks very nicely done

Also IMO, the foam/lichen stuff has never seemed to produce realistic groundwork effect to me.

I still want to see what AI/Tuk could do if they were provided plenty of time.  Not meant as criticism, just saying I'm curious what they build on their own time, IF they build on their own time.

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Posted by IanIsBored2000 on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:49 PM
 Kolschey wrote:

This is what I don't get.

The work he's posting isn't even his own work.

Imaginine if you will that this was a forum about fine art.

Every week, I post a drawing that my roomate (let's call him Dave) made. When folks do offer suggestions and criticism, my response is: "I helped him pass Biology last semester, so now he draws pictures for me whenever I ask him."

The question is: Why am I putting this up here? Why isn't Dave answering these questions? Doesn't he even care about these drawings, or is he simply content that I reckon that the weekly sketch is fair payment for the time I spent helping him last semester?

  

 

 

 

 

The reason "Dave" doesn't answer the questions himself is because "Dave" doesn't speak English.  Smile [:)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:03 PM
 IanIsBored2000 wrote:
 Kolschey wrote:

This is what I don't get.

The work he's posting isn't even his own work.

Imaginine if you will that this was a forum about fine art.

Every week, I post a drawing that my roomate (let's call him Dave) made. When folks do offer suggestions and criticism, my response is: "I helped him pass Biology last semester, so now he draws pictures for me whenever I ask him."

The question is: Why am I putting this up here? Why isn't Dave answering these questions? Doesn't he even care about these drawings, or is he simply content that I reckon that the weekly sketch is fair payment for the time I spent helping him last semester?

  

 

 

 

 

The reason "Dave" doesn't answer the questions himself is because "Dave" doesn't speak English.  Smile [:)]

Or maybe "Dave" doesn't answer questions because "Dave" couldn't give a rip about what he is doing other than the fact that it is getting him out of debt from his tyrant roommate who holds "Dave's" grades in his hands...
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Posted by defcon1 on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:38 PM

The dio looks okay. It could be a reanactment scene. Smile [:)]

MM,

I have seen your dio here and other sites for several years. You mentioned that AI don't speak English. I wonder if he has difficulty reading the instructions? Many of the instructions states where and when the scheme you are modeling. Dragon figures models usually have year and place on the their boxes. Dragon vehicles have the unit, place or time written on the instructions. All AI (or you) has to do is match those. I have offered this before several times in another forum. Since it takes about one to two weeks for AI to finish a dio and you know what's next for him to build, why don't you post what you are planning for those models here or send me a message. I am not an expert by the way but I would do my best. I know you seemed to listen to our suggestion because It seemed that AI don't have any more problems with backward tracks.
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Posted by Aaron Skinner on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:47 AM
Gentlemen,

I think this conversation has gone about as far as it can and the diorama has been well analyzed. Anything productive that can be said has been said. Before this gets ugly, let move on.

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Posted by cardshark_14 on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:01 PM

Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition, we're saved!  Thanks, Aaron. Smile [:)]

Don't worry folks, if you missed the show, there'll be another, same time, same place next week. (There always is...) Wink [;)]

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:04 PM

 Hermesminiatures wrote:
Tankluver - that's a smoke grenade - used for creating cover.

 

Technically smoke grenades provide concealment, but not cover.  Not to split hairs or anything...Tongue [:P]

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Posted by ben1227 on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:55 PM
 bbrowniii wrote:

 Hermesminiatures wrote:
Tankluver - that's a smoke grenade - used for creating cover.

 

Technically smoke grenades provide concealment, but not cover.  Not to split hairs or anything...Tongue [:P]

Same thing to me Big Smile [:D] Looks like we just can't comment on these anymore... I think some of us come here just to argue Whistling [:-^] I'll just stop lookin' in the dio section.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:33 PM
Technically smoke grenades provide concealment, but not cover

 

Same thing to me Big Smile <img src=" border="0" width="15" height="15" />

 

The difference is that cover will actually stop bullets and provide a level of protection.  Concealment only hides you from view and provides no level of protection from bullets or shrapnel.  Being behind cover is always better than being concealed.

Hope that helps. 

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Posted by Custom 56 F-100 on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:05 PM
I don't really have a clear picture of what has transpired in the past between MM and the other members here, however, I am looking forward to building my first diorama when I feel I have gained a decent skill level and I am worried that I am going to get it from both barrels if I post pics of it here! Is that true or do y'all go a bit lighter on beginners?? (hope so!!!)  Black Eye [B)]
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Posted by Hermesminiatures on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:11 PM
This forum's members tend to go easier on those who don't have ego problems...you will recieve nothing but helpful, kind criticism if you don't post your work with your mind already made up as to how great it is. Everybody's got to start somewhere, and I'm sure you'd find everyone to be helpful. The reason some members get annoyed with Model Maniac is because he seemingly thinks his commisioned builds are perfect - and nobody's models are perfectWink [;)]

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Posted by mywar73 on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:25 PM

 Custom 56 F-100 wrote:
I don't really have a clear picture of what has transpired in the past between MM and the other members here, however, I am looking forward to building my first diorama when I feel I have gained a decent skill level and I am worried that I am going to get it from both barrels if I post pics of it here! Is that true or do y'all go a bit lighter on beginners?? (hope so!!!)  Black Eye [B)]

 

Well, go ahead bro, build your first diorama and make your day!! dont be afraid of carpet bombing style of criticism's..if you feel you have gained a decent skill in building one go for it and post your works...always remember nobodys perfect, if somebody find your work a masterpiece, someone will find the boots and shoe string of your figure inaccurate and youll receive -->Black Eye [B)] for making the boots innacurrate Big Smile [:D] ....but dont forget all of the suggestions and criticism youve earned im sure it will make you a better modeler and bear in mind someone is always better than you even you got thousand's or gazillion's  of first placeYeah!! [yeah] award...someone is better than you..

Hope to see your works posted at finescale.com

 

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:14 PM

 Custom 56 F-100 wrote:
I don't really have a clear picture of what has transpired in the past between MM and the other members here, however, I am looking forward to building my first diorama when I feel I have gained a decent skill level and I am worried that I am going to get it from both barrels if I post pics of it here! Is that true or do y'all go a bit lighter on beginners?? (hope so!!!)  Black Eye [B)]
The attitude with which you have already posted this question will virtually insure that you will recieve a warm reception with your posted work. The criticism or praise you will recieve will be honest, well-meaning, and sincere; you can really improve a lot in a short time here; what you do with the advice and how you recieve it is up to you!

Looking forward to seeing it!Big Smile [:D]Yeah!! [yeah]

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, November 1, 2007 1:11 AM

 Custom 56 F-100 wrote:
I don't really have a clear picture of what has transpired in the past between MM and the other members here, however, I am looking forward to building my first diorama when I feel I have gained a decent skill level and I am worried that I am going to get it from both barrels if I post pics of it here! Is that true or do y'all go a bit lighter on beginners?? (hope so!!!)  Black Eye [B)]

Put that whole thing out of your mind. I've got my first dio to post in a couple of days and I'm confident I'll get nothing but constructive critism, and lots of it. It'll be the same for you.

 

 

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:19 AM

 Custom 56 F-100 wrote:
I don't really have a clear picture of what has transpired in the past between MM and the other members here, however, I am looking forward to building my first diorama when I feel I have gained a decent skill level and I am worried that I am going to get it from both barrels if I post pics of it here! Is that true or do y'all go a bit lighter on beginners?? (hope so!!!)  Black Eye [B)]

Don't worry, you have nothing to fear.  You already have a couple things going for you that MM does not.  First, you are actually building the models and dios, not just buying them already built.  Secondly, you have already said you are looking for constructive criticism and pointers on how to make them better, not just looking for praise and to be told that they are great. We are looking forward to seeing your builds and helping you improve. 

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, November 1, 2007 9:27 AM
 Buddho wrote:

Can a moderator please lock this thread? Whoever is in charge of these forums need to to take charge and stop allowing its members to attack their own. Please do something!

Bhuddo, with all due respect to your sensitivities on this subject, if you were upset by Gino's post there, I don't thnk he was attacking MM--he was simply replying to Custom 56 in what I believe was a neutral and appropriate manner, explaining to him WHY the harsh criticism leveled at MM would not necessarily apply to Custom's work. I believe that the initial question was certainly understandable, and the response was, as well.

Custom 56 might well understandably have trepidation about posting his work after reading some of the comments directed at MM, but Gino's response was not an attack, IMHO. If you truly feel that there is something inappropriate in this thread, report it as "abuse". But I believe after the last "MM" post was locked, I would have to think that the moderators are keeping a close eye on the currently open "MM" ones, and I don't believe that this one has taken a turn for the worse, especially after it was already "flagged" by Aaron....just my My 2 cents [2c]...

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Posted by bbrowniii on Thursday, November 1, 2007 9:52 AM
 the doog wrote:
 Buddho wrote:

Can a moderator please lock this thread? Whoever is in charge of these forums need to to take charge and stop allowing its members to attack their own. Please do something!

Bhuddo, with all due respect to your sensitivities on this subject, if you were upset by Gino's post there, I don't thnk he was attacking MM--he was simply replying to Custom 56 in what I believe was a neutral and appropriate manner, explaining to him WHY the harsh criticism leveled at MM would not necessarily apply to Custom's work. I believe that the initial question was certainly understandable, and the response was, as well.

Custom 56 might well understandably have trepidation about posting his work after reading some of the comments directed at MM, but Gino's response was not an attack, IMHO. If you truly feel that there is something inappropriate in this thread, report it as "abuse". But I believe after the last "MM" post was locked, I would have to think that the moderators are keeping a close eye on the currently open "MM" ones, and I don't believe that this one has taken a turn for the worse, especially after it was already "flagged" by Aaron....just my My 2 cents [2c]...

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] I'm gonna have to agree with the doog on this one.  Things were starting to spin out of control there for a little bit, but once Aaron put the smackdown on us, it seems like things have mellowed.  I too get a little uncomfortable when comments directed against anyone get to be overly harsh, but I don't see that here.  What will be interesting to see the response when 'he who must not be named' posts his next dio...  But I am confident that cooler heads will prevail Angel [angel]

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Posted by Buddho on Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:20 AM
I humbly surrender Dunce [D)]

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Posted by ben1227 on Thursday, November 1, 2007 3:53 PM

 Buddho wrote:
I humbly surrender Dunce [D)]

Lol...

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