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New Dio-WIP *Update 12-31*

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Nice Zimmed Offering
Posted by ps1scw on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:14 PM

You give the Zimmed Offering a Thumbs Up [tup] ?

I'm looking at the Tiger I ZO when it comes out. 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 17, 2007 10:44 PM
 the doog wrote:

Ok, so I was wrong--(from the guess in the "Armor" post about the 506th...Sigh [sigh])

You certainly nailed the camo! It's really accurately done, Manny, and a faithful representation of the color preofile there! WELL DONE!

I agree with MG42 about the tracks--definitely need to "silver" them, what with them being on stone streets and all...

 This would be the recent "zimmed" KT right? That doesn't look like "field applied" zimm! LOL! Laugh [(-D]

This one looks like what we've come to expect from you, Manny--another "winner"! I'm sure it'll be chock-full of cool figures too? 

Thanks, guys...C'mon, everyone knows that ALL of the 503rd KT's carried big buckets on the rear:...that should have been a dead giveaway...lol...Yes, it is the pre-zimmed DML KT offering w/ some "touching up" of the zimm in order for it to look "right...some of the joins were nasty and there was the occasional "odd" spot that had to be corrected (such as the two spots on the rear hull)...this dio will be neither a combat scene or a "relaxed" scene, but somewhere inbetween, and "yes" there a some figgies ready to man the Kat...thanks for looking...
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Posted by the doog on Monday, December 17, 2007 10:07 PM

Ok, so I was wrong--(from the guess in the "Armor" post about the 506th...Sigh [sigh])

You certainly nailed the camo! It's really accurately done, Manny, and a faithful representation of the color preofile there! WELL DONE!

I agree with MG42 about the tracks--definitely need to "silver" them, what with them being on stone streets and all...

 This would be the recent "zimmed" KT right? That doesn't look like "field applied" zimm! LOL! Laugh [(-D]

This one looks like what we've come to expect from you, Manny--another "winner"! I'm sure it'll be chock-full of cool figures too? 

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, December 17, 2007 9:51 PM

Nice.....from the teaser 

Manny, I love your dio & figure work. I was especially impressed with the US dio above.

Great snow job Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

This one seems to be moving along. I understand the idea of hopes, but you can't hope unless you try. I'm sure it will turn out great.

....Whistling [:-^] so you never answered the earlier question, "where are the women at"? I know....you are going to tell us the building is a burned out "adult fun house" Mischief [:-,]

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by mg42gunner on Monday, December 17, 2007 9:48 PM
Hey manstein, thats a great looking dio coming along there! That KT looks huge on the street, very nice weathering on it. Do you plan on having any figs in the dio? If so is it going to be more action oriented, or more of the taking a break style? Either way, great looking I cant wait to see more progress.

*One suggestion though, just a personal opinion, but I think your tigers tracks could really pop if you used a bit of dry brushing with a silvery like paint on the parts contacting the ground. Heres what I did on mine (even though my tiger is a little on the heavy side, you could tone yours down a lot)


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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 17, 2007 9:37 PM

Well, so much for the "mystery" vehicle...someone earlier guessed a Mk III...actually the DML zimmed KT will be the "star" of the dio:

...looks like my base measurements were spot on for the fit...this KT is modeled after a 503rd KT late in '44 defending Aachen:...

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 17, 2007 10:01 AM
 vespa boy wrote:

Manny you do have a great start there with a lot of textures in the street. I really like the paving bricks and the join mid way in the road and the drain in the gutter.

 This is something to think about as you build (and forgive me if I am telling you stuff you already know) Don't forget that there is a lot of action and consequence on streeet level, if you have a damaged building, the falling bricks must have hit the pavement and caused some pitting . Road repairs often don't match the surrounding areas. Don't forget to make everything settle into the base.... e.g. the pavement will have been redone a few times during the life of the building, so make sure the building doesn't sit on top of the sidewalk etc.

Nice work so far.

Great suggestions...thanks for the feedback...I plant to make sure the elements don't look like they are "floating" on each other thru the use of some putty to fill joins, etc...also, the "empty spaces on either side of the building will contain a lot of debris from the building (s)...I have a lot of high hopes for the wrought-iron window gates that should look really cool if I can pull it off...I will also gouge some debris marks into the surrounding areas...I also tried to rteplicate the "smoothing" of the curbs over time on the sidewalk; note that they are rounded instead of at 90 degress on the angle...this replicates foot traffic and drainage over time...thanks again for the input, Vespa...
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Posted by vespa boy on Monday, December 17, 2007 9:38 AM

Manny you do have a great start there with a lot of textures in the street. I really like the paving bricks and the join mid way in the road and the drain in the gutter.

 This is something to think about as you build (and forgive me if I am telling you stuff you already know) Don't forget that there is a lot of action and consequence on streeet level, if you have a damaged building, the falling bricks must have hit the pavement and caused some pitting . Road repairs often don't match the surrounding areas. Don't forget to make everything settle into the base.... e.g. the pavement will have been redone a few times during the life of the building, so make sure the building doesn't sit on top of the sidewalk etc.

Nice work so far.

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:42 PM

Manny, vespa boy is gonna be hitting you up for tips on that base! That's looking pretty sweet!

I agree that the section beneath the building looks better like that. 

  

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:22 PM
Just a small update on the dio base...I cleaned up the edges by filling and sanding the borders of the ceramic pieces...I also added a smaller base for the ruined building to sit on as it didn't look right sitting right on the sidewalk...as you can see it makes it "look" more like it should, especially since it has street level windows...I have some PE that I am working on that will serve as wrought iron "fencing" in front of these ground-level windows that are common.........thanks for looking and all comments welcomed...will start laying in paint Monday...
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:56 PM
 vespa boy wrote:
Manny I am curious about street lamps, and maybe you can set me right here. I have been under the impression that the bases are made from cast metal which is strong when left alone, but is very brittle when hit, and results in a snap rather than a bend. Is this right?
To be honest, I don't know...I would say there are millions of variables that would determine how different types of metals would react to ballistics...I suppose the blast concusion from an explosion could cause the bending of certain metals...however, I have seen bullet/shrapnel holes and scars on metal posts, including streetlamps...but to be honest, I am not too concerned with that one issue in the dio...when finished, the streetlamp will be a fairly insignificant element in it...thanks for the feedback! 
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Posted by vespa boy on Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:21 PM
Manny I am curious about street lamps, and maybe you can set me right here. I have been under the impression that the bases are made from cast metal which is strong when left alone, but is very brittle when hit, and results in a snap rather than a bend. Is this right?

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This ain't no Mudd Club, or C.B.G.B.,
I ain't got time for that now

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 10, 2007 7:08 PM
 Hellcat man wrote:

In the last picture is that the Academy Mutt or the Tamiya

 

That is the Tamiya offering...
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Posted by Hellcat man on Monday, December 10, 2007 5:19 PM

In the last picture is that the Academy Mutt or the Tamiya

 

 ALEX ZELYK

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Posted by Buddho on Monday, December 10, 2007 4:19 PM
Excellent work, Eric!

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Posted by the doog on Monday, December 10, 2007 2:28 PM

WOW Manny! Gorgeous! I've seen a few of these before but not that one with the American halftrack and Greyhound, and I'm not sure if I saw that Pz III one. The groundwork is excellent, as I would have expected!

You are truly a master! The US vehicles one especially catches my eye--the uniform camo and building look outstanding. I love your snow work, and the little details like the leaves.

Outstanding! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 10, 2007 7:19 AM
 the doog wrote:
Manny, ya must have overlooked my post...what about the question I asked? Got any groundwork-type dios?  Whistling [:-^]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]
...oops, here's some:
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Posted by m1garand on Monday, December 10, 2007 6:53 AM
Now, where's the female figure (AKA German Morale Booster Officer).
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Posted by the doog on Monday, December 10, 2007 1:12 AM
Manny, ya must have overlooked my post...what about the question I asked? Got any groundwork-type dios?  Whistling [:-^]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]
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Posted by 9 Toe Tanker on Sunday, December 9, 2007 9:44 PM
Thats gonna look kool manny.....looking forward to it!
Best Regards Joe
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 9, 2007 7:26 PM
 IYAAYAS wrote:

I gotta say the long board is really outta place!  otherwise it looks pretty good!

...lol...the "long board" is a tongue depressor that I glue figs on while painting...it was just placed there for the pic to give it some scale...
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Posted by IYAAYAS on Sunday, December 9, 2007 6:58 PM

I gotta say the long board is really outta place!  otherwise it looks pretty good!

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, December 9, 2007 6:43 PM
Looks cool there, Manny--you seem to really favor those cobblestone street sections...I was wondering; have you ever done any dio's where the setting was that of dirt or mud? I'm just curious; I don't remember seeing any like that, and I'd be interested in seeing what you could do with that type of groundwork.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 9, 2007 5:41 PM
Update on dio progress...finalized layout scheme and cut plaster castings of cobblestone street ans sidewalk section to fit on base...will now need to sand rough edges smooth and do a little filling where some of the edges crumbled during cutting...added fig to show some scale...feel that all elements of the dio will come together in end. After filling and sanding, will add rubble and debris then start laying colors in...after that add odds and ends in before tank and figs...this dio will represent the early defense of Aachen in the fall of '44...
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Posted by Buddho on Saturday, December 8, 2007 10:32 AM
This diorama has a nice layout, and you can tell some thought has been placed in the details, etc. I'll be closely watching this one. I have been dabbling with small vignettes but would like to move up to larger pieces...thanks for the WIP photos, Manny.

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Posted by zokissima on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 7:28 PM

The general layout follows fairly standard conventions, and works very well as such. You don't really have any obvious areas of empty space, and the one I was going to suggest, you mentioned will be filled with rubble. Will this be an "at ease" or a dynamic type of scene?

I'm curious as to what you'll do to represent the gloom of winter. The light flaking of snow in areas is an interesting idea, since I don't seem to see these scenes set in the winter time as often.

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Posted by kcmat on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:13 PM
I see thanks Manny. hahaha I came to this thread like 4 times wanting to ask but was hesitant. I truly didnt want to convey a feeling of critique. I look forward to the progress!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 9:05 AM
 kcmat wrote:

First let me say I look forward to seeing this one as it goes. Try and keep some WIP pics so we can watch. Easier to catch some tips than getting bombed with the finale.

And on that note I have a couple questions. (not of your skill or technique) Things that caught my eye and would like to ask befor I make a booboo down the road.

1) The brick is "redder" (surely thats not a real word!) than I would have used. Is it the lighting or am I just from a region that uses a "browner" (and score 2 for the venacular!) brick? Maybe as Doog said with some mortar work it will tone down.

2) the one side of the building has what I take as smoke stain/soot. But more prevalant on the 2nd floor. Is there a hole in the wall I cant see that smoke or flames would have been coming thru? Was the beam there burning some? Is it not smoke stain at all?

3) The beams (not sure what you really call those. The timber IN the stone) is light. Like it's new wood. Or like it was treated for a natural finish. Was this often the case?

 

Seriously I ask from a learning stand point. Not knockin your work at all. Keep churning out great models!

Some good questions. Thanks for taking the time for the feedback. My replies are in bold.

1) The brick is "redder" (surely thats not a real word!) than I would have used. Is it the lighting or am I just from a region that uses a "browner" (and score 2 for the venacular!) brick? Maybe as Doog said with some mortar work it will tone down. It is a little "redder" than I normally  paint bricks. After all, I was the guy who said a few times in threads that bricks ARE NOT red...lol...part of the reason for the brightness is because I still have some toning down to do with washes and dusting; the other is that I wanted more of a contrast between building and tank...so there is a thought out process of contrast going on in my mind (hope it works!)...

2) the one side of the building has what I take as smoke stain/soot. But more prevalant on the 2nd floor. Is there a hole in the wall I cant see that smoke or flames would have been coming thru? Was the beam there burning some? Is it not smoke stain at all? In most of my dios I try to suggest what is past the border of the dio, and that's especially important to me because I like 'em small (to me the smaller dios convey more a sense of tension and urgency)...if you look close you can see that this is meant to be but just one row-house in a line of them that goes on...notice that there are remnants of an ajoining wall on the side with the cross beams...I will have rubble, etc. here that represents what was on fire and caused those stains...also, those beams have been charred a little as well...I actually used REAL FIRE from a lighter to get some of the burinig effects on this piece...if you look close inside you can see some VLS wallpaper that has been burned and is curling from the wall...the floors were also on fire...this method takes a lot of control...lol...

3) The beams (not sure what you really call those. The timber IN the stone) is light. Like it's new wood. Or like it was treated for a natural finish. Was this often the case? Wood is fickle...some of it looks distressed/old when it it actually new and vice-versa, depending on treatment, exposure, etc...wood used on the outside of a structure usually would have some protective coating on it, such as paint, clear laquer, etc...may still go back and darken it a bit...

Again, once the tank/figs are on the scene the building will merely provide a nice backdrop for it, along with the other bits, such as the barrel, waterpump, lamp, potato sack, etc...hopefully, it will all look like it is a cohesive piece when all the elements come together...will keep everyone posted on progress...thanks for the help...

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Posted by SteveM on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:47 AM

Looking great so far, Manny. I think the layout looks fine. I like the detail on the accessories you've got happenin' so far. Is this gonna support a Pz III? I know how much you want to marry one, as do IBurger [BG]

I did this same building in a dio, my first attempt at really detailing the interior. I made a mistake, though; I finished the bricks "boarding up" the ground floor window from the interior using Sculpey. Looked great- until I painted it... them's some glossy bricks. No amount of Dullcoat brought it down. I modeled / suggested a basement from the the inside, with some grenadiers heading down into it.

I don't think the wood beam look too bad. If anything, a little staining for aging, but I think it looks good. Sets off the brick and stucco (?) nicely, got's an artsy quality to it.

Keep up the good'ers.

Steve 

Steve M.

On the workbench: ginormous Kharkov dio

 

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Posted by kcmat on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 1:25 AM

First let me say I look forward to seeing this one as it goes. Try and keep some WIP pics so we can watch. Easier to catch some tips than getting bombed with the finale.

And on that note I have a couple questions. (not of your skill or technique) Things that caught my eye and would like to ask befor I make a booboo down the road.

1) The brick is "redder" (surely thats not a real word!) than I would have used. Is it the lighting or am I just from a region that uses a "browner" (and score 2 for the venacular!) brick? Maybe as Doog said with some mortar work it will tone down.

2) the one side of the building has what I take as smoke stain/soot. But more prevalant on the 2nd floor. Is there a hole in the wall I cant see that smoke or flames would have been coming thru? Was the beam there burning some? Is it not smoke stain at all?

3) The beams (not sure what you really call those. The timber IN the stone) is light. Like it's new wood. Or like it was treated for a natural finish. Was this often the case?

 

Seriously I ask from a learning stand point. Not knockin your work at all. Keep churning out great models!

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