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Marseille's 109...Finished(many pics)

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:37 PM

oddmanrush

Interesting info there Manny. Look like not only were kill counts inflated, but it seems they had some trouble on occasion identifying the aircraft they were actually shooting down; mistaking P-40s, Spitfires and Hurricanes....

You are exactly right...many legitimate kills were claimed for the wrong kind of a/c...during the BOB, the Germans had a tendancy to claim every downing as a Spitfire just because it was more "prestiguous" to down a Spitfire than it was a Hurricane, although many more Hurricanes actually participated in the BOB and were downed...

...by my own research, and opinion, I'd opine that the top German aces' kills are inflated, on average, by at least 50%, in some cases more, some cases less...a certain few pilots are most certainly close to 100% accurate, the most notable, IMO, being Schnaufer's claims of 121 kills as a nightfighter...all of his kills wound up, for the most part, on German soil in the form of a big 4-engined wreck... 

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  • From: Rothesay, NB Canada
Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:09 AM

I suppose nightfighter claims would (probably) be more accurate. One NF slipping in on one bomber, attacking & drifting off again. As opposed to the swirling multi-plane dogfights that some day fighters were involved in.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:15 PM

Based on years of viewing gun-camera footage, reviewing logs and reading pilot accounts, I'd say that most anytime a pilot in WW2 got an enemy aircraft in his sights, even if was for a split-second, and pressed the trigger, he had the tendency to put in a claim for a kill, regardless of what he saw afterwards...

Based on my own experience, you can get behind an aircraft as close as 50 meters, fire, split-S and never see the plane again!!!  Did it go down?  Did it shake you?  Dunno...

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  • From: Frisco, TX
Posted by B17Pilot on Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:47 PM

That's why you have a wingman, to verify your kills, if he can't confirm, you get credit for a damaged aircraft. At least that's how the USAAF did it.

  

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:02 PM

B17Pilot

That's why you have a wingman, to verify your kills, if he can't confirm, you get credit for a damaged aircraft. At least that's how the USAAF did it.

No, you have a wingman to keep your a$$ from getting shot down...

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  • From: Crawfordsville, Indiana
Posted by Wabashwheels on Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:04 PM

I need a wingman!

 

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  • From: Frisco, TX
Posted by B17Pilot on Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:53 PM

Manstein's revenge

No, you have a wingman to keep your a$$ from getting shot down...

That too!!

  

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  • From: Rothesay, NB Canada
Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, October 29, 2010 6:58 AM

I could have used a wingman this morning. Driving to work today I got cut off in traffic 3 times. And I mean "come to a screeching stop" cut off. They're all out today!

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 29, 2010 7:03 AM

VanceCrozier

I could have used a wingman this morning. Driving to work today I got cut off in traffic 3 times. And I mean "come to a screeching stop" cut off. They're all out today!

"Break left!  Break left---you've got a bogie cutting in front!"

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  • From: Rothesay, NB Canada
Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, October 29, 2010 7:27 AM

Left = oncoming traffic. Instead, I deployed the non-slip yellow air brakes...

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Friday, October 29, 2010 8:29 AM

fermis- Now THAT is how a desert 109 should look, well done!  The overall dusty appearance really gives the feeling of an arid climate.  From where I am sitting, this is the finest work of yours I have seen!

Frank 

 

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  • From: hamburg michigan
Posted by fermis on Friday, October 29, 2010 11:25 AM

That's a huge compliment Frank, Thank you very much!

Or, are all my others just crappy???!!!!Indifferent      Stick out tongue

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Friday, October 29, 2010 8:34 PM

fermis

Or, are all my others just crappy???!!!!Indifferent      Stick out tongue

Um...well... Confused

I wasn't going to say it...

J/K LOL

Frank 

 

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  • From: Maine
Posted by Stage_Left on Friday, October 29, 2010 10:25 PM

Very nice work, Fermis. The '109 is one of my favs......some great paint schemes.

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  • From: Yokosuka, Japan
Posted by luftwaffle on Saturday, October 30, 2010 8:16 AM

Great looking build!

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