p40 warhawk

ohh and if i offened you im sorry

i just dont like people making fun of my favourite plane

tigerman

the real red baron:

 

 

 

I'm not a huge fan of the P-51 myself,

but your comment about the P-40 won the war was just a bit strong

 

firstly about you not being a fan of the p51 congrats the p51 is my worst favourite plane

"and i did not say the p40 won the war" i said if it weren't for the p40 the allies might not have won the war

the real red baron

the P40 was superior for its time tigerman so watch your mouth i stand up for this fighter so take your negative comments away or leave!

well think about this if the p-47 and the LAME p-51 are so good why weren't they used in the desert and middle-east theartre then huh?!

 

Whoa, settle down Hoss. I didn't mean to push a button. I'm not a huge fan of the P-51 myself, but your comment about the P-40 won the war was just a bit strong . I just made my point that is all. It's all subjective and can be longly debated. The P-40, as I pointed out, was instrumental for holding the line until better planes came along. It was a good fighter and was a pretty good match for early Japanese planes.

The P-47 didn't really come out in numbers until around early-mid 43 when the African campaign was pretty much finished. The P-51 flew some months later over Europe. HTH

Tigerman, I don't see it as an either or. The early war US aircraft generally don't get the respect they deserve, they not only held the line, they were causing the defeat of the enemy.

There is no question that the later aircraft, F6F, F4U, P-47, P-51 out performed the earlier aircraft, likely saved Allied pilots lives and probably hastened the end of the war. The P-40 had development potential left, it was shown to be capable of challenging the performance of the P-47 and P-51 but it became a chase to catch up with aircraft now rolling off production lines in quantity. Without these aircraft the P-40 (and P-39 in the P-63) could have stepped up to do the job, but that need had been filled by very capable newer designs.

the real red baron

the P40 was superior for its time tigerman so watch your mouth i stand up for this fighter so take your negative comments away or leave!

well think about this if the p-47 and the LAME p-51 are so good why weren't they used in the desert and middle-east theartre then huh?!

 

Because the North African campaign had clearly swung to the Allies by the time the P-47 and P-51 were entering service, and the faster, longer ranged aircraft were needed in Europe and the Pacific to escort the bombers. Bomber escort was not a job the P-40 was well suited for because of its limited range and poor high altitude performance. There is no doubt that when it finally arrived, the "lame" P-51's was a dream escort fighter for bomber crews. That isn't an insult or take away from the fact the P-40 was an able general purpose fighter / bomber for the duration of the war.

the P40 was superior for its time tigerman so watch your mouth i stand up for this fighter so take your negative comments away or leave!

well think about this if the p-47 and the LAME p-51 are so good why weren't they used in the desert and middle-east theartre then huh?!

Although names like the Mustang and Spitfire might be more recognizable than the Warhawk, if you say "FLYING TIGERS", then I think most people would instantly know what you are talking about.  I think I recall reading somewhere that the shark-mouthed P-40 was one of the most instantly recogizeable icons of WWII.

Aaronw

 

tigerman:

 

 

the real red baron:

this post is about the legendary P40 WARHAWK!!!!!!!

i personally think that if it werent for this plaen the allies wouldn't have won the war

this post is to celebrate this almost forgotten warbird

 

 

 

I think that can be debatable. The Hellcat was the predominate fighter in the Pacific campaign, shooting down more enemy planes then any other US plane, and over in Europe, the P-51 finally gave the bombers long-range fighter escort and decimated the German fighters.

I'll say that the P-40 plugged the hole until better planes came along and fulfilled the needs of the air force. That being said, I've always liked the looks of the P-40.

 

 

I think this is were the Wildcat and P-40 get the short stick, they get compared to aircraft that didn't even show up until the war was 1/2 over. It wasn't until mid to late 1943 that the P-47, P-51, F6F and F4U arrived in significant numbers to relieve these early war aircraft. By the time these later aircraft arrived, the Japanese were in retreat (Midway and Guadelcanal had been won), and the German advance halted (North Africa completed, Italian campaign beginning).

Winning the war may be a overstating the value of the Wildcat and P-40, but plugging the gap is certainly short changing the role they played.

Like I said, it's debatable. If you were to ask which aircraft had a greater impact, then you really have to take into consideration the latter planes, because of their superiority in flying capabilities, firepower, and tactical uses. Could you not argue that the P-47 could with it's heavier firepower, ability to carry rockets and bombs do things the Wildcat and P-40 weren't even designed to do? Thus there roles were expanded from just that of a fighter plane to fighter-bombers.

I'm in no way selling the P-40 or the Wildcat short, they held their own until 1942-43, but they weren't the superior airplanes of the latter years that helped to turn the tide over Europe in particular. Imagine a Wildcat against a FW-190? I don't think it could compete against the Ki-44 or Ki-84 either. 

tigerman

the real red baron:

this post is about the legendary P40 WARHAWK!!!!!!!

i personally think that if it werent for this plaen the allies wouldn't have won the war

this post is to celebrate this almost forgotten warbird

 

 

I think that can be debatable. The Hellcat was the predominate fighter in the Pacific campaign, shooting down more enemy planes then any other US plane, and over in Europe, the P-51 finally gave the bombers long-range fighter escort and decimated the German fighters.

I'll say that the P-40 plugged the hole until better planes came along and fulfilled the needs of the air force. That being said, I've always liked the looks of the P-40.

I think this is were the Wildcat and P-40 get the short stick, they get compared to aircraft that didn't even show up until the war was 1/2 over. It wasn't until mid to late 1943 that the P-47, P-51, F6F and F4U arrived in significant numbers to relieve these early war aircraft. By the time these later aircraft arrived, the Japanese were in retreat (Midway and Guadelcanal had been won), and the German advance halted (North Africa completed, Italian campaign beginning).

Winning the war may be a overstating the value of the Wildcat and P-40, but plugging the gap is certainly short changing the role they played.

the real red baron

this post is about the legendary P40 WARHAWK!!!!!!!

i personally think that if it werent for this plaen the allies wouldn't have won the war

this post is to celebrate this almost forgotten warbird

 

I think that can be debatable. The Hellcat was the predominate fighter in the Pacific campaign, shooting down more enemy planes then any other US plane, and over in Europe, the P-51 finally gave the bombers long-range fighter escort and decimated the German fighters.

I'll say that the P-40 plugged the hole until better planes came along and fulfilled the needs of the air force. That being said, I've always liked the looks of the P-40.

Curtiss fighters just don't get a lot of respect, but they definately played an important part in the war even if only by being available in large numbers (P-40 was the third most produced US aircraft) freeing up P-51s and P-47s for the most critical areas. The success of the P-47 and P-51 really limited interest in major development of the P-40 later in the war. 

It is often said the P-36 and P-40 were obsolete at the start of the war, but the P-36 proved to be very important to France in 1940 where it more than held its own against the Me-109, and it was successfully used by Finland and India until 1944. The P-40 remained in production almost until the end of the war, and was used in every theater. Both planes ended their service with a good kill / loss ratio.

There was a proposal for a P-36 powered by a 1600 hp Wright R-2600 twin cyclone in 1938. This was expected to provide a top speed of 360-370 mph easily matching the speed of the current Spitfire and Me-109 but there was no interest from the USAAF or US Navy.

There were some also some interesting P-40 developments using a 1350 hp R-1830 (P-40C "special") and 2000 hp R-2800 (P-60) radial engines, that showed potential. I find these particularly interesting since the P-40 began as a modified P-36 with an inline engine.

Red, you'd really like this movie...

"Death Race".. It stars, along with Lloyd Bridges and Doug McClure, a "wounded"  P-40 trying to outrun a German tank in the North African desert... The P-40's been hit in the radiator so the two pilots it's carrying (one was rescuing another when it was hit) can't run it's engine very long, only in short intervals to leapfrog ahead of the tank a few miles...

Probably the best "P-40" movie ever made...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069953/

I don't know about not winning the war but since I'm in the middle of a P40 build (that is a real challenge due to fit issues) I'm beginning to get to know "it" better!

Jeebus

Forgotten!!, I think not, never, not in my lifetime, ain't happening. it's one of the most famous warplanes of all time, i'll prolly forget my own name before i forget the Warhawk.

i meant that more people have heard of the spitfire and the perfetic p51.   and even the wildcat

and yet they still dont know the real workhorse the P40 WARHAWK

this post was made do P40 warhawk lovers can share cool p40 pics and info

Alot were produced and it served all over the world by many different countries.A real workhorse

p40 warhawk i agree.Ron

Forgotten!!, I think not, never, not in my lifetime, ain't happening. it's one of the most famous warplanes of all time, i'll prolly forget my own name before i forget the Warhawk.