BIG Russian Jet Groupie GB

Porkbits

Hey, Dre (and gang):

Well, after dinner I took another look and most of the other pylons didn't as badly as I thought they would. I used putty to fill the gaps on a couple, and gaps on the rest are small enough to be negligible, so I'll leave them for now. Good enough is good enough. I can always fill them in later if I change my mind.

So a bit of an overreaction on my part. But thanks for your advice anyway. Sorry for the false alarm. :-)

RE: your question, Dre, the Brassin rails and pylons are separate pieces. Link to PDF of instructions here:

http://www.eduard.com/store/out/media/648054.pdf

Which reminds me that I have a couple of other questions regarding the pylons:

1. Any of you guys know which weapons would go on that big, long rail/pylon combo? (parts R3 and R4 in the instructions). Fits the wing station closest to the fuselage. My assumption is the cannon pod, but not sure.

2. And how about pylon R5 vs. pylon R6? I'm guessing Aphids go on R6, but what about R5? 

Wish Eduard had included some loadout info.

Thanks!

Just seeing this now PorkBits, I was about to suggest the putty/superglue option as my preferred "out" in this case, but it sounds like you're under control now anyway. As far as loadouts... man, when I was gathering pics for my recently completed Flanker... there were ALL KINDS of good photos of the aircraft, but most seems to be from airshow or training sessions, no live rounds fitted. Makes it difficult for a model builder!!

Have you tried any of the "world defence industry thinktank" type websites? (Think "Janes" etc) I've really only stumbled across them randomly, but they often have weapons load diagrams.

dean27

no vance the deadline is now 1st apr

YES!!! Many thanks comrade!!

Hey, Dre (and gang):

Well, after dinner I took another look and most of the other pylons didn't as badly as I thought they would. I used putty to fill the gaps on a couple, and gaps on the rest are small enough to be negligible, so I'll leave them for now. Good enough is good enough. I can always fill them in later if I change my mind.

So a bit of an overreaction on my part. But thanks for your advice anyway. Sorry for the false alarm. :-)

RE: your question, Dre, the Brassin rails and pylons are separate pieces. Link to PDF of instructions here:

http://www.eduard.com/store/out/media/648054.pdf

Which reminds me that I have a couple of other questions regarding the pylons:

1. Any of you guys know which weapons would go on that big, long rail/pylon combo? (parts R3 and R4 in the instructions). Fits the wing station closest to the fuselage. My assumption is the cannon pod, but not sure.

2. And how about pylon R5 vs. pylon R6? I'm guessing Aphids go on R6, but what about R5? 

Wish Eduard had included some loadout info.

Thanks!

Pork- how tight do you want those pylons to be?   Because using an epoxy putty like Milliput could  be both simple and quick to do and it allows a little time to stuff the gaps before the mix hardens.

Or you could use power tool and a drum sanding bit to make the resin fit the wing (or mess them up badly).

How large of a gap is there at the face of the pylons as it is?   Also, does that Brassin stuff have the guide rails molded underneath the pylons, or is that a PE addition?

Dean- yeah I figured it was current by the videos and references, but the somewhat dire tone was reminiscent of the past.  Good times...

Hey, Dre:

Yeah, they are straight-up replacements, and even include a few rails that aren't part of the Kopro/OEZ kit.

I'd like to reshape them using the curve on the kit pylons as a guide, just not sure the best way to go about it. Sand? Cut? Both? Hm. I don't have a ton of experience with resin, unfortunately.

Oh, as for the nose gear, I bought the SAC replacement gear and with a little drilling, got the nose gear from the set to fit. So that battle was won. :-)

Hey Dre, the video is only about 5 years old, just in case you wondered.

Is it possible that these Brassin parts are designed to be mounted onto the existing kit pylons as adapters for certain munitions?   Or are they supposed to be straight-up replacements?

If you have to reshape all 8, that might be bad.   But... you could make a shaped guide from the kit parts to use as a template for destroying the resin bits.   The underwing contour ought to be a gentle curve equal on both sides.

What did you do about the nose gear?

no vance the deadline is now 1st apr

OK, while I have everyone on the phone, I've run into a problem with my Su-25 build that I hope the this GB Hive Mind can help me solve. Ugh.

I bought the Eduard Brassin (ie, resin) replacement pylons and rails, which have excellent detail. Unfortunately, unlike the kit pylons, the Eduard replacements are not shaped to fit the wing airfoil. They are flat and have no curve at the front. So when you attach the pylons to the wing, you're left with a big ole ugly gap between the wing and the front of the pylon (I Googled some images of the actual pylons, and seems there is a small raised base on the wing where the front of the pylon meets the wing, so there is no gap).

So I'm left with some options, none of which is ideal:

1. Try to hand-shape all eight Eduard pylons so that they fit the wing airfoil. Time consuming, and shape might not be even, leaving small gaps anyway.

2. Attach the Eduard pylons as-is, and try to cram some putty or Milliput into the gap. Also not ideal, as I'll have to maneuver in the increasingly small space between pylons as I add them. Fill could be uneven. Also tedious work.

3. Chuck the Eduard replacements and stick with the kit pylons. Their detail is chunky in comparison, but they fit.

Too bad this issue was glossed over in the online reviews I read of the pylons, but then again, none of them were actual build reviews. Oh well.

Thanks!

PB

As far as I know this GB has been extended, until when I am not sure.   I kinda of figured that this was a perpetual GB...or at least until everyone is tired of it.

Dean's the man, let's ax him.

falconmod - YES! Post those pics. Although I've been fairly absent in here recently I've been following along with the MiG. She's come together very well, can't wait to see the finals.

Porkbits - that's good news, I'll need those weeks!

I think the deadline was extended until April....? Dre or someone will have to confirm.

Hope so, because I'm nowhere near completing my Su-25!

O man,  I think all I have to do is finish gluing on the canopy and I'll finish my MiG-29.  Wooo Hooo! I guess I better do that and post some pictures

John

Hmmmm, today is Jan 28.... original deadline is Feb 1.... I've been largely MIA here, and at the bench, with a Seafire getting most of my attention. What's the scoop, has this one been extended? I'm still a couple of weeks out on my FITTER... :(

That sounds like a video from the late 70's/early 80's; I wouldn't mind a collection of those SAM platforms though...

I've gotten two of the three metallics onto the engine panels of the Su-27UB C this weekend- I have to let them cure a little before masking off the 3rd. section...  a nice mix of MM enamel paints, MM airbrush-only Metallizers and Alclad lacquers.    I'll get the paints on first before i start coloring and shading with tinted clears to simulate the heat discoloration.

Check this video out, found it on Youtube.

Niiiice MiGs!!

Sorry I haven't been around the past few weeks gents, some significant changes at the office + the usual running around with the fam has cut into my production, and online presence! 

What's up??

With pigments I found that it's better to put too much on as it is easy to wipe them away, gotta get stuck in, really rub your finger in and use it, also cotton buds are good for detail, they work well as they are stiff but the pigment gets right onto the surface, best to use it on a matt surface when the part of the model is finished that you're working on.

I've been trying to use brushes of varying stiffness to work the pigments, both wet and dry, and so far the results are ..  unsatisfactory.    I think my main complaint is that you can't really seal them in without losing their subtlety.

Rub your finger in it and look at a photo, easy, the pigments are very easy if you use your finger, if you use the thing you get in the box you would never get anything done, I really like using pigments as they are instantly realistic when you start to blend them all together.

They look sharp no matter what.  I've never figured out how to use pastels/pigments in a convincing manner...  

I forgot to say Dre the burners were painted acrylic gloss black, then sprayed with Alclad2 white aluminum and hot metal blue. I then hand painted Tamiya clear red on parts very thinly, then the engines were brought to life with Tamiya pigments, mud, rust, snow, soot, dark rust etc all in all about ten colours made from paint and pigments.

Nice builds, Dean! Great weathering on the MiG-29.

Still plugging away on teeny tiny teeny PE bits. Photos soon, I promise!

Ah its just me it could be made from the box and look great but I dont know, one day I tried adding a bit of scratch built detail, and I have been at it ever since as I simply look at photos of real aircraft and always see where I could add more. I just cant help myself.

Well, that should be enough to keep you busy for a few hours, lol.

Hadn't really noticed all those items missing until you pointed them out, so yeah...  at least there's no shortage of spare weapons when you're dealing with Trumpeter.  

Loads more, Dre, I have to finish the landing gear, I used foil tin foil for lenses in the landing lights, and I will wrap a small amount around the hydraulic pistons on the landing gear doors, also I have to detail the cockpit, I have all the wires in there but there is some brace or something behind the pilots seat and I have to scratch build the HUD's as there is none in the kit just one for the front seat but there should be two, then the inside of the canopy is bare so I have to add wiring and a periscope thats closed, they give you a stowed option with a moulded on cover but when operated it was removed so I have to scratch build that as well, I will hand paint the pylons a different shade of grey to make them look newer than the rest as when at Lipetsk airfield as in the photos there were no pylons attached so I can assume they could be slightly different, also I will use under wing drop tanks as they look great on the 29 and rockets and free fall bombs, which is a more realistic layout for a trainer aircraft with no RADAR instead of guided missiles and I dont like the look of the Russian heat seekers if Im honest, but also there are some old but unusual weapons I got with the 23 so I might check if they were ever used, odd looking some of them, and when a;ll that is done I will be making a base so there is a lot to do yet but it's all good.

Nice work on the new MiG, Dean.   It looks great in that drab scheme and those burners are fantastic.

I can see why you like the -29's so much-they've got a nice line from certain angles.

Is she done, or is there more to do?

Good news....! Looks like SAC makes a set of replacement gear for the Monogram/Revell kit that also fits the Kopro/Eduard kit with some slight modifications. I'm only interested in the nose gear, and found a build review which indicated all you have to do is enlarge the rear locating hole to make the nose gear fit (kit nose wheel fits with no problems, apparently).

So I ordered, and will give it a whirl. Worse comes to worse it doesn't work, and I just revert back to the kit nose gear. Will see.

Gear up and on a stand, then you would never know Porkbits. Does look good in the air this one I personally think.