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1/48 Pro Modeler Ju-88 A-4 (FINISHED)....

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Posted by Mike S. on Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:20 AM

Nice work on this gem of a kit.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:22 PM
beeryboats

That build looks great! Although as a newby, I would have no idea how to make those mods to bring it all together and look that great. How do you know what knob is what color, or where there should be an extra oil line or wire that's not part of the kit? Most of the Squadron books I've seen have black and white photos and most are a little blurry at best.

Thanks everyone. You are way to kind. This turkey is showing me just how mediocre a modeler I truly am. I'm still fiddling with wing roots which I just can't seem to make look right. I've resorted to sanding the area smooth and I will forgo scribing the root line back in. Berry, cockpit knobs and such are mostly "artistic license" (fancy modeling terminology for making things up). I just try to make it look "busy", to draw the eye there with pretty colors..lol. I paint levers, knobs buttons yellow, red, and sometimes blue to accomplish this. Nathan and Steve, you have been a world of help on this project, especially in pointing out tricky spots. I decided to take the easy way out and hit up Spruebrothers for canopy masks, otherwise I would be masking until Spring and having HE 111 flashbacks. I also bought an Eagle Cals sheet since the kit decals are allegedly lousy. I'll have an update soon, Joe

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:02 PM

lawdog114
This turkey is showing me just how mediocre a modeler I truly am.

Ummmm.....................................I'm not buying into that! I know you aint one to gloat but don't cut yourself short either Joe. lol. Wink

                   

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Posted by sanderson_91 on Friday, February 14, 2014 9:28 PM

Hey Joe,

Are you going to do a splinter scheme on your 88?  I made my own Tamiya mixes for RLM 65 and RLM 71 for my 88.   Here are the ratios I used on my 88 in the Reich Defenders GB in case you're interested:

RLM 65 - XF2:9 + XF5:1 + XF8:1 + XF21:1.  I usually use 1-2 drops of  91% Isopropyl alcohol for every 3 drops of paint and spray at around 15psi.  (XF2=flat white / XF5=flat green / XF8=blue / XF21=sky)

RLM 71 - XF67:9 + XF49:1 + XF62:1 + XF2:2 + XF5:1.  

(XF67=nato green / XF49=khaki / XF62=olive drab / XF2=flat white / XF5=flat green)

WIP pics are on page 26 in case you want to check them out.

Steve

 

 

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  • From: Olmsted Township, Ohio
Posted by lawdog114 on Saturday, February 15, 2014 3:30 AM

mustang1989

lawdog114
This turkey is showing me just how mediocre a modeler I truly am.

Ummmm.....................................I'm not buying into that! I know you aint one to gloat but don't cut yourself short either Joe. lol. Wink

Yes...mediocre.  Its only takes a Monogram kit (or the like) to expose my true colors.......LOL.  I have very little patience for ill fitting parts and excessive putty and sanding.  Thanks for the compliment Mustang. 

Steve....I ordered an Eagle Cal sheet that I believe has a few in the standard splinter scheme.  I'm gonna pick one.  I'm still waiting on it and the canopy masks to proceed.  Thank you for the formula, but I recently invested in Gunze RLM colors which look perfect to my eye.   I may give your recipe a try to see how it compares to Gunze.  I'm going over right now to check out your Ju-88...

Joe

 

 

  

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Posted by Reasoned on Saturday, February 15, 2014 6:39 AM

This I've been waiting for!  Thus far she looks great.  I too want to build a BoB version of the Ju-88 (which is the A-1) and ended up purchasing the conversion kit from MDC.  It sits in the kit box until my skills are in a place to deal with itWink  Keep up the great work!

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Saturday, February 15, 2014 10:00 AM

Joe your skills are anything but mediocre. Great build so far. John

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 8:49 PM

Hello, I haven't had much bench time lately since I have been waiting for my canopy masks to arrive from SB.  On their arrival, I added them.  These were the first ones I've ever struggled with.  Some were cut a tad too big.  It was either this or the kit molds shrank over the years.  No biggie, I muddled through it.  I also plugged away at the frame and  finally got it to where I was satisfied it would look ok under paint.  This thing was a great exercise for me in filling and sanding, which I admit I need on occasion. 

Some have written the engine nacelles fit poorly.  I had no such problems and I'll go as far to say these caused me the least amount of aggravation.    I needed a touch of filler on one and that was it. 

  

I suppose I'll be the first to say I'm not impressed with Mr. Surfacer 500.  Unless I'm using it wrong, I just dont see it being a improvement over Squardon Putty.  Squadron dries faster, sands easier and the acetone trick works much better.  Maybe I'm just old school.  I had trouble with the gondola fitting the contour of the lower fuselage and it left gaps where they met.  Here I used the Mr. Surfacer which took forever to fill the gap.  It dries way too slow.  I found that Isopropyl wiped it smooth, but this also took forever.  Here you can see where I used it on the starboard side gondola/fuselage joint.  It was almost two nights of work to make this area look passable, and I'm still not completely satisfied. 

The Eagle Cal decals came at the same time as the canopy masks.  I decided on the top subject, a KG51 plane on the Russian front in early 1942.  Theres nothing special about the subject other than I thought it was the most interesting one on the sheet, and it resembled one of the kit options I had been considering. 

I figured I would start by preshading the airframe flat black XF-1. This was an exercise in patience since this thing is fairly large.

I then painted all of the theater markings and such XF-3 Flat Yellow cut with a touch of XF-7 Flat Red to brighten it up a bit. 

  

I then taped off the yellow areas with Tamiya tape.  The scheme calls for the standard RLM 70,71 over 65.  I started with the 65. I concocted a 50/50 mix of XF-23 Light Blue and XF-2 Flat White then sprayed the bottom.  This was lightened with more white and I made condensation streaks.  I then taped of the control surfaces and painted these an even lighter shade.  Not accurate but it certainly looks good to my eye. 

The underneath then got a postshade with diluted Nato Black XF-69 and Red Brown XF-64.  I usually stop when I think its enough, but I will probably do more when I add the exhaust stains. 

I then used Blue Tac to mask off the demarcation lines and I started on the upper scheme of 70 and 71.  I am quite fond of Gunze's RLM colors.  To my eye they are right on.  I just wished they had the pigment consistency of Tamiya.  The Aqueous line goes on translucent and requires a ton of paint to get the coverage I need  Perhaps their lacquer paints perform better.  I got my base coat down and called it a night.  I havent decided whether I will fade the panels or do my normal streaking.   I faded the panels on my Corsair and was pleased with the results. 

More to come soon...

Joe  

 

 

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Posted by bvallot on Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:18 AM

Sweet Jesus that thing is big!!  =]  You haven't run out of room to store these yet?!? lol

Can't wait to see the canopy on her.

On the bench:  

Tamiya F4U-1  Kenneth Walsh

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:29 AM

Lookin' good Joe!!

                   

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Posted by Reasoned on Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:46 AM

mustang1989

Lookin' good Joe!!

Ditto

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Posted by Nathan T on Thursday, February 20, 2014 8:28 AM

Really coming together now Joe. Great paint work. Hope you have good luck fitting the canopy. I've found I rarely use Surfacer 500 now. It thickened up in my bottle and is almost unusable. I use 1000 from the jar now, and spread it with a toothpick, wait 45 min, then swipe it away with Mr. Color Lacquer thinner. Usually 1 application is enough. As far as your Gunze Aqueous paints, what are you thinning them with? I've only had them go on real translucent if I purposely thin them way down for subtle shading/fading. I thin mine with their aqueous thinner, with a bit of 91% iso mixed in. I can't wait to see the rest of your camo work.

 

 

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Posted by cnq on Thursday, February 20, 2014 8:46 AM

looking very very nice so far.

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:00 AM

Paint looks awesome.

Marc  

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:24 PM

I like it. And quick too.

 

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Posted by Jim Barton on Thursday, February 20, 2014 3:16 PM

Coming along beautifully!

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, February 20, 2014 3:19 PM

Now that's looking really nice.

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Posted by blackdog62 on Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:06 PM
Wow that pit really looks good. Outstanding job looking forword to the rest.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:01 PM

Nathan T

Really coming together now Joe. Great paint work. Hope you have good luck fitting the canopy. I've found I rarely use Surfacer 500 now. It thickened up in my bottle and is almost unusable. I use 1000 from the jar now, and spread it with a toothpick, wait 45 min, then swipe it away with Mr. Color Lacquer thinner. Usually 1 application is enough. As far as your Gunze Aqueous paints, what are you thinning them with? I've only had them go on real translucent if I purposely thin them way down for subtle shading/fading. I thin mine with their aqueous thinner, with a bit of 91% iso mixed in. I can't wait to see the rest of your camo work.

Thanks everyone.  Nathan, are there going to be canopy issues?  I test fitted them several times during construction and they seemed to fit ok.  Thats why I didnt attach them before paint,  I guess I'll cross my fingers it's still be the case when time comes to add them.  I'll probably use the Mr. Surfacer for minor imperfections and such, but I'll likely go back to the old tube putty.  I'm just not impressed with the product.  To each their own.  I thinned the Gunze with Tamiya X-20 thinner.  Maybe thats why I'm having issues.  Does anyone state side carry the aqueous thinner?

Joe  

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:21 PM

Joe. Redfrog hobbies carries the gunze line. I am very impressed with the paint. I am using up my stock of enamels and converting to a gunze and tamiya stock. I am going to place an order with redfrog  this week sometime. I like the gunze for their premixed camo colors.  Do not have to worry about getting same mix as you do with tamiya. I still like tamiya too.  John

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:27 PM

If you test fitted, you should be ok. On my G-6 I had some issues on the front windscreen, but thats a different style of course. X-20 should work ok. maybe just thin it less. Sprue bros. used to carry the thinner, other wise its Hobbywave or Hobby easy, or LuckyModel.

 

 

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Posted by GAF on Friday, February 21, 2014 1:55 AM

lawdog114

I'll probably use the Mr. Surfacer for minor imperfections and such, but I'll likely go back to the old tube putty.  I'm just not impressed with the product.  To each their own.

Joe,

First, great work on the JU-88.  Another example of what can be done with a mediocre kit.

Second, I must admit that I'm also a little disappointed with Mr. Surfacer.  I recently tried the 1000 brand on a model and it went on nicely, but didn't do the job of hiding minor imperfections I thought it would.  So I over-sprayed with some 500, but that was not much of an improvement.

Now to qualify, I was using the spray can variety and I might chalk this up to that and inexperience.  It only (IMO) appears that while the product makes a nice primer, it's leveling and finishing characteristics are not what I expected.  Perhaps I'm using it wrong and have some misconceptions about its properties, but (like you), I'm moving on to something else.

One thing I've been experimenting with is just regular acrylic art paint for filling gaps.  It comes in every color imaginable and is cleaned up with water (or alcohol) and can be sanded easily.  I'm speaking of the thick variety you can buy for craft and hobby (such as the Apple Barrel brand).  So far I'm liking it.  I do wonder about its final strength however around joints.

Gary

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, February 21, 2014 9:39 AM

That is one sweet looking build! I have the Dragon P model in 1/48 scale and I'm waiting to gain more display space before tackling that big  beast.

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Posted by sanderson_91 on Friday, February 21, 2014 9:52 PM

Hey Joe, your 88 is looking really good!  Paint is looking great!

Steve

 

 

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Posted by Matt12 on Saturday, February 22, 2014 10:34 AM

amazing work! dont glue the canopy so you can detach it every time you miss this view :D

do you just handpaint- postshade- glosscoat- wash the cockpit? no dry brushing?

please let me know what wash did you use and what kind of post shading did you do to the cockpit.

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Monday, February 24, 2014 8:15 PM

Follow Nathan's advice on the gunze paint. Red frog only carries the solvent based not the aqueous.  Oops

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Monday, February 24, 2014 9:56 PM

Thanks for the compliments and advice regarding Gunze.  From what I understand, the Gunze Aqueous line has been discontinued.  That's too bad as I've grown to like it, especially for the RLM colors.  I still prefer Tamiya for overall coverage and detail weathering for I get good airbrush control with it. 

Speaking of paints, I have a small update.  I first tried fading the panels of the the RLM 71 which was cut with XF-57 Buff slightly.  I didn't like the look, too splotchy with this particular scheme, so I went back to my streaking method.  I then commenced to taping off the splinters for the RLM 70.  This was a chore for two reasons.  One, the Eagle Cal top profile was the size of a half dollar, so I had to squint to see how the pattern was supposed to go.  Second, there were no images of the starboard side.  I tried using the kit instructions (which was decent in this regard) as a reference but this was different than the Eagle Cal pattern.....ugh!  I have no idea how it was suposed to go on the cockpit glass, if at all.  I decided to fudge it with the hopes that all the planes were different, as opposed to say a Spitfire. Come on on Eagle Cal, we pay good money for your product so give us illustrations we can actually see.         

Anyways, it took several hours to get it taped up.  I used the Tamiya tape to mask the lines then cheap white masking tape to fill in for overspray reasons (Tamiya tape is too expensive to waste).  I then sprayed the Gunze RLM 70.  This was then lightened with XF-57 Buff and streaked like the RLM 71.  It took another hour to remove all the tape. Everything then got a heavy postshade, especially around the engines.  I added a touch more black to it and did some of the RLM 70 areas with it because it was hard to see otherwise.  

I also painted and assembled the props and spinners.  Its too bad Dragon couldn't key the props to give you the proper angle.  I guessed and sort of "feathered" them.  I test fitted them here and was pleased. 

Soon it will get a gloss coat and decaling will follow.  I suppose I need to get going on the machine guns, tires and the like....

Joe

 

 

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Posted by sanderson_91 on Monday, February 24, 2014 10:08 PM

Hey Joe, your 88 is looking great!  Love your streaking technique.

Steve

 

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:15 AM

I'm with sanderson on the streaking effect Joe! I need to flip back a page or so to get in on that technique.

                   

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:33 AM

Very nice. Every time I watch one of your builds I learn something new. Especially in weathering.

 

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