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"Soccer War" Corsair camouflage painted

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"Soccer War" Corsair camouflage painted
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 3:43 PM
I finished painting the camo on one of the HobbyCraft FG-1D Corsairs today. This one fought on the side of El Salvador during the infamous 1969 "Soccer War." This is one of four aircraft from that conflict that I'm building for a customer.
 
The gray-green is Model Master RAF Interior Green, the tan is MM RAF Middlestone, and the dark green and light gray are Gunze Viet Nam-era SEA scheme colors. I used WEM Japanese ID band yellow for the stripes. The camo was sprayed freehand using my trusty old Badger 150 (the workhorse).
 


 
Now to paint another one for this project !
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Posted by Dave23 on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 4:42 PM

Now that's interesting. Great work Pixilater! Thumbs Up [tup]

-dave

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Posted by Wulf on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 5:38 PM
Pretty cool! That will look great when done. Very sharp camo scheme.

Andy
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 6:42 PM

Very nice Bill.  Takes a little getting used to, a Corsair in this scheme, but really looks great.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by seevee on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 8:31 PM
Thanks for posting this interesting subject of which I have never previously heard.  I went off & searched the subject "soccer war", it's true you learn something new every day!
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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 8:41 PM

Nice camo job and interesting subject! Thanks for posting. What do you use to mask your canopy? Looks very thin.

 

 

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 11:58 PM
 rjkplasticmod wrote:

Very nice Bill.  Takes a little getting used to, a Corsair in this scheme, but really looks great.

Regards,  Rick

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] Yep, it looks so diffo without the blue. Catchy camo though. Nice job of applying it.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 11:58 PM

Thanks Dave, Andy, Rick, seevee, and AH1Wsnake !

AH1Wsnake - I use Scotch "frosty" tape. It's thin, cuts easily to a sharp edge, and leaves no residue. It took about three minutes to mask the canopy.

Here's a shot of the four aircraft in this project. The other FG-1D (also HobbyCraft) will be done in NMF, the F4U-5N (hasegawa) will be in a weatherbeaten Dark Sea Blue, and the Mustang (Hasegawa) will have a disruptive pattern of brown and green over gray.

Sharp eyes will notice that I had to move the yellow wing bands inboard. Neither the box art nor painting diagram are very clear.
 
 
Thanks again !
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 11:59 PM

Thanks tigerman !

You must have been posting while I was typing.

The other FG-1D will also be different, as it will be finished in NMF.

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Posted by MA Cooke on Thursday, June 8, 2006 3:39 AM

Pix:

Excellent work so far, great looking camo.  How is the Hobbycraft corsair - does it fit well?  What level of detail comes with it?

Thanks for posting, awesome work as always.

 

Mitch

 

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Posted by gwaihir on Thursday, June 8, 2006 10:16 AM

Looks good Pix. In the build that David Aungst did of the soccer war corsair, he used a 'football antenae.' Are you going to use that? If so does it come in the hobbycraft kits?

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Posted by ABARNE on Thursday, June 8, 2006 2:32 PM

Slick work as always, Pix.  Kind of an amusingly ironic subject since the the 2006 World Cup kicks off tomorrow.  I'll be interested to the U-birds complete.

Andy

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 9, 2006 1:19 PM

Thanks Mitch, Leon, and Andy !

Mitch - the cockpit detail isn't great, but it doesn't look bad when finished. Fitting the flaps requires dryfitting and trimming to get an acceptable look. The inserts for the radiators and wing guns need filling and sanding, as does the tailwheel well. Overall, it's not bad, and it's at a much friendlier price than Mr. T's kit.

Leon - I have no references that show this particular aircraft with a football antenna. The aircraft used in this conflict were a hodge-podge of hastily equipped airframes. Some of the Mustangs used were appropriated civilian aircraft, refitted with guns, rockets, and bombs. Every one was a little different.

Andy - the irony is non intentional. I haven't followed any sports since I was a kid, and I'd be hard-pressed to name any current athlete. I'll be posting more pics as each one gets painted.

Thanks again !

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Posted by Dave23 on Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:21 PM
Pixilater, I was just checking out some of your work on display at the link in your signature. Very impresive body of work you have there Thumbs Up [tup]

-dave

-d

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:51 PM
Pix... Great work as usual.  A very cool color scheme.  I have to say I am impressed that you are able to do 4 at once.  I tried to start that with P-51's...but got to be a bit too much so it has been knocked back to 2 flights of 2.  Can't wait to that bad boy with some markings.

Marc  

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 10, 2006 8:00 PM

Thank you Dave and wing_nut !

wing_nut - I'm actually working on six at the moment. I have these four, plus a Phantom for a customer, and a P-38 (with Eduard PE) for myself. I'm a busy guy !

 

Thanks again !

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Posted by arki30 on Sunday, June 11, 2006 4:54 PM

Not to take this offtopic, but Pix, I noticed you do alot of your camo work freehand.  How in the world do you not get any overspray?  Or do you and I just can't see it? 

 

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Posted by Allen109 on Sunday, June 11, 2006 5:21 PM
Wow,that looks great. I'm looking forward to seeing the finished products.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:34 PM

Thanks arki and Allen !

arki - anyone with a dual-action airbrush can do this. Spend a day experimenting with different mixing ratios, pressures, distances, and angles until you can paint the thinnest line without spatter, overspray, or running. Angling the airbrush in towards the area you're painting will give you a sharper line than spraying at a ninety-degree angle to the surface. You need to know what too much pressure, too little thinner, etc. does to the sprayed paint. I thin mine, then test it on a piece of white cardboard. By what I see, I know whether I need less pressure, more thinner, etc. Most (if not all) dual action airbrushes are capable of spraying very thin lines without overspray.

Just for the record (and this might not work for anyone else), I thin the paint about 50:50, and spray at about 9 to 10 psi, 1/4" to 1/2" from the model's surface using minimal paint flow.

Thanks again !

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Posted by Dave23 on Monday, June 12, 2006 4:33 AM
Interesting Pixilater, I haven't tried thinning down that much or spraying with below 15 - 20 psi. I'll have to experiment with a 50:50 ratio and lower pressure tonight.

Thanks!
-dave

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 12, 2006 7:14 AM
Beautiful work as always Pix.
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Posted by arki30 on Monday, June 12, 2006 3:18 PM
 Pixilater wrote:

Thanks arki and Allen !

arki - anyone with a dual-action airbrush can do this. Spend a day experimenting with different mixing ratios, pressures, distances, and angles until you can paint the thinnest line without spatter, overspray, or running. Angling the airbrush in towards the area you're painting will give you a sharper line than spraying at a ninety-degree angle to the surface. You need to know what too much pressure, too little thinner, etc. does to the sprayed paint. I thin mine, then test it on a piece of white cardboard. By what I see, I know whether I need less pressure, more thinner, etc. Most (if not all) dual action airbrushes are capable of spraying very thin lines without overspray.

Just for the record (and this might not work for anyone else), I thin the paint about 50:50, and spray at about 9 to 10 psi, 1/4" to 1/2" from the model's surface using minimal paint flow.

Thanks again !

Hmm, I have a Paasche VL and have thinned out the paint as you suggest before, anywhere from 50:50 to 70:30.  I've played with the pressure between 5-10 psi and all I get is either overspray, or the paint spiders across the surface because it's too thin.  You're right, it's basically trial and error but I haven't figured it out yet.  I'm wondering if certain airbrushes are better than others at fine lines?  Anyway, thanks for the help.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 12, 2006 9:29 PM

Thanks falcon !

Dave and arki - while it would be nice to say, "Use these settings and you'll get exactly what you want," it doesn't work that way. A lot depends on your paint, thinner, airbrush, and compressor. You need to experiment with your airbrush so that you can recognize when the mix, pressure, distance, or angle isn't optimal. The ratio and pressure settings I gave are only a starting point for me. I test spray, and since I've done the experimentation, I recognize what I need to adjust. This is something you can't be taught, you have to learn it by doing. Just sit down with your airbrush when you have plenty of time, and try different ratios, mixtures, etc. See what happens, and learn to recognize the "symptoms" of it being out of tune. You'll appreciate tomorrow the extra work you've invested today.

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Posted by jwb on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:03 AM
This thread sparked my curiousity about the Soccer War, and so I did the old Google thing. There's tons of reading about the facts of the war, but I thought folks here might be interested in this link, as it goes into great detail about the aircraft used in the conflict.

Anyway- interesting reading!

Looking forward to seeing the finished work!

Jon Bius

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:08 AM
What types of paints and thinners are you using?
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:27 PM

Thanks jwb and Horrido !

Horrido - I listed the paints in the second paragraph of the first post of the thread. The MM enamels were thinned with MM's Airbrush Thinner, and I thinned the Gunze paints with 90% Isopropyl Alcohol.

Thanks again !

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:49 PM
Ouch, subtle yet undeniable indications that my short-term memory is NOT what it should be... lol  But thank you.

I've found Gunze and Tamiya acrylics tend to be really happy with ethyl alcohol, as well.  The ethyl alcohol seems to be less "greasy" than isopropyl, and prevents tip-dry, as it continually thins even dried paint.
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Posted by grenadierII on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:47 PM

Splendid work as usual Bill!

Not an often referenced event. Just curious, did the customer explain why he/she wanted the birds to reflect the Soccer War?

Ray

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:18 PM

Thanks grenadier !

My customer didn't say why he wanted aircraft from the "Soccer War," so I imagine it's for the same reasons I would choose. Because of the way they look, very much out of the ordinary (how many P-51s can you haver on your shelf before they become a little stale?).

Horrido - they say that the memory is the first thing to go. I can't remember what was first . . .

Thanks again !

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:04 PM
Nice work. I am now looking forward to seeing them completed.
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