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  • From: Whidbey Island, Washington
Posted by chukw on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:39 AM
 weebles wrote:

Greetings,

I thought I had your answer but I don't think it's the missing link you're looking for.  There is an SB2C-4 on page 33 of In Detail & Scale SB2C Helldiver publication.  This aircraft at the bottom of the page does appear to have the antennas but it is clearly an SB2C-4 in a tri-color scheme.  It is also undergoing carrier qualification so it's likely that once deployed it was painted dark blue overall.  If you have this book note the crazy numbering under the port wing as well.  This is probably not much help.  You sure you don't have a late model -3 variant there?  That would most likely be a tri-color paint scheme. 

I was wondering how you were going to attach the engine.  I had a similar problem with my Monogram T-6 that I decided to use the Italeri kit engine on.  It just didn't quite fit so I had to file down the engine just as you did.  It all turned out fine and looks great but it does hurt to have to do that to your work.  Did you just glue the engine inside the cowling?  Any plans for an engine mount? 

Keep up the great work! 

Dave



Thanks, Dave- I've built my bird as a -4E- scratchbuilt radar sets, so there's no turning back.  The bird you've pointed out is a trainer- that's what what those huge yellow numbers indicate.  I've got a color version of that pic, and buy, is that yellow worn!  As far as the engine goes, I just test fit it in- no plans for a mount- you really wouldn't see it.  Thanks!

FastasEF :L  Oh, lots of Helldivers wore the ricolor, but I've got to find that elusive -4E combat vet.   Thanks for your help!  

subfixer:  Thanks!  It seems that lots of -4's got the tricolor paint- but how many -4E's?  Ah, therein lies the Grand Question!  ;D

Luftwoller   hanks, Guy!

Hartmann352 :  I wish I could get that first link to work, but alas, no joy.  The profiles are all -04's- I've confirmed that with phot back-up.   As fara s the doors are concernmed, the kit parts are looking pretty nice.  Just need to fill the ejector pin marrks and slap on some paint.

Thanks, pal! 

sfcmac :  Much appreciated.  That scene repeats at my house as well.  That's a grim pic from the Bunker Hill- if I do  GSB scheme, one of her yellow-nosed beauties is in the top two picks, the other being a striped-rudder Randolph machine.  

bertman:  Thanks for the help- I'll look up that issue toot sweet!

Hey, Nam- thanks for all the digging!  Little Fat was a hope until those aerials shoed up...   ;D

weebles-  Oy!  Sounds like the pl;astic may have melted a bit- ouch!  That hasn't happened to me- yet!   :(  The clip is a must, unless you want to sit there and hold it.  ;)   I find that once the machine is hot, you've got to keep a watchful eye on the plastic.  It doesn't always need to be at the verge of melting- if the suction is good, fairly soft material will be drawn down neatly.  Good luck, and thanks again!
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Posted by dirtball on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:59 AM
   Chuck, thank you, thank you, thank you! Your work is awe inspiring. If I may, I would like to ask 1 question. I`m in the middle of putting ignition wires on my corsair. I`d like to know what you used for tieing the double wires togrther. And how did you accomplish this. Thanks in advance, an admirer...........Harv
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Posted by chukw on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:58 AM

Thanks, Harv- look here:   /forums/16/833910/ShowPost.aspx#833910

It's back on page 16- cheers!  chuk

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Posted by dirtball on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:14 PM
  No Chuck..THANK YOU!!.........Harv
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  • From: Montana
Posted by mshaneyfelt on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:04 PM
Hi Chukw, I thought I might take up your research challenge.

Let me make sure I understand your criteria:

SB2C-4E:
-4-bladed prop w/ spinner
-Hardpoints for rockets
-APS-4 radar pods (and no Yagi Antennae)
-Tri-color camo scheme
-Pacific combat unit

I looked through my paper references (which are not that extensive) and spent about 1.5 hours searching online (hey, I just recently laid off from my job and time is one thing I have plenty of ;)) and I came up with nothing in the tri-color scheme and found several examples in overall sea blue. I know that doesn't help at all.

One point that might be of interest is that many SB2C-4Es were manufactured as SBW-4E. The SBW-4E was a SB2C-4E manufactured buy the Canadian Car Foundry, (think TBF and TBM, same plane different manufacturers). It might help to do internet searches for SBW-4E as well, although all the images I found were either mislabeled versions or in the overall sea blue paint.

I did find the BuNo of the SB2C-4E and SBW-4E, which might help with IDing photos:

SB2C-4E: 31836 - 31935
SBW-4E: 21646 - 21741
SBW-4E: 60036 - 60209

Aircraft with these BuNo should fit your criteria.

I also tried researching the deployment of the APS-4 radar. As far as I can tell the APS-4 radar was deployed sometime during 1943. I think (it is more of a gut feeling) that the APS-4 radar was initially deployed with fighter squadrons, or more specifically night fighter squadron. I would also guess that the APS-4 radar was deployed on TBFs before SB2Cs. My thinking is why would you need a radar on a dive bomber: 1. It is not going to be used for night operations. 2. What good would an early radar set do on a dive bomber? Dive bomber are going to attack targets on the ground. Would a 1st generation aerial radar system be able to filter out "noise" from the ground to determine a target? I personally think not, and if I was an admiral I would place my radars on fighter and TBFs (for AWACS duty) b/f dive bombers. 3. I really like WWII naval aviation, and have study it quite extensively (for an amateur), and I have not seen any tri-color SB2Cs with an APS-4 radar.

Random facts: 1. SB2C-4 were introduced summer of '44 (but were most numerous of SB2Cs). 2. A directive issued March 22, '44 designated that all carrier-based fighter aircraft be painted overall sea blue. 3. A directive issued Oct. 7, '44 stated that ALL carrier-based aircraft carry the new SEa Blue Scheme.

In summary, I think you might be able to find a SB2C-4E that fits your criteria, but based on my experience it is going to be very hard to photographic evidence. In my opinion you have three choices: 1. Chose a Gloss Sea Blue aircraft you want to make. 2. Make a post-war SB2C-4E aircraft. It won't be painted overall Sea Blue but it also won't be from a wartime Pacific squadron. 3. Make a historically inaccurate plane (after all the effort you have put into this models I don't think you should do it). 4. Rip out the scratch-built SB2C-4E part and build an SB2C-4 or earlier aircraft. It will be hard but you have to decide if you want to do this or make a plane you really don't want.

I know my post is way too long and you probably won't read all of it. I really tried to do some research and i hope that it helps you.

I really have enjoyed this build and it has helped me in building my own models.

KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!!

Mark





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Posted by leemitcheltree on Friday, July 25, 2008 3:30 AM

Er....Chukie-boy....can I get TOTALLY off the reservation when I have the temerity to suggest.....do a ficticious Bu No.?

Yeah...I know...I know.....BLASPHEMY!!!!!!

But you get that, sometimes.....you think the Accuracy Police are gonna come round and kick your butt if you create ficticious squadron markings and a made up BuNo?? 

Cheers, LeeTree
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Posted by subfixer on Monday, July 28, 2008 7:38 AM
It's Monday and no update!!! Are you OK, chuk??

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by White Snake on Monday, July 28, 2008 9:56 AM
I believe that he stated that he was not going to have an update this week unfortunately...Disapprove [V]

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Posted by namrednef on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 4:42 PM

 

Sigh [sigh].....Ah well, more to look forward to!

Even chukw has to eat!

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Posted by namrednef on Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:10 PM

 

Getting that old itch! Good news though......My doc called me and told me that rum in 'moderation' will not effect my Lyme Disease meds.Mischief [:-,] (Now, why did she have to call me for that?!)

My main medicine will now hinge on a 'Beastly' installment. I'm sure it's coming. 

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Posted by tlivancso on Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:27 PM

namrednef,

What part of CT do you hang your hobby knife, and do you belong to any of the local clubs?

 

Cheers,

Thom

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Posted by namrednef on Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:21 PM

 

Hi Tom! I live in Monroe and no, I haven't joined a club yet. I will eventually, but right now it's not sure I could make all the meetings. I'll figure it out. Where are you?

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Posted by tlivancso on Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:42 PM

namrednef,

I live in East Hartford, and belong the Igor Sikorsky Chapter in Stratford.

Here's the web site for the club http://www.ipmsstratford.org/ if you want to check out the meeting schedule.

We meet at the Igor Sikorsky Memorial Airport in Stratford 3rd Saturday of the month.

Cheers,

Thom

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Posted by namrednef on Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:47 PM
Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by subfixer on Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:22 PM
It sure is good to hear from you, chuk. I'm glad that a little grog isn't going to hurt you any.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by namrednef on Friday, August 1, 2008 6:27 AM

 subfixer wrote:
It sure is good to hear from you, chuk. I'm glad that a little grog isn't going to hurt you any.

??????Confused [%-)]?????

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Posted by arki30 on Friday, August 1, 2008 7:19 AM

Guys, can we please have some self-control?  Most of us are grown men (I think) and this almost daily carnival of over-the-top adulation and border-line obsession with the next post is embarrassing.  Or it should be!

Everyone take a deep breath and go do something else.  Especially you nam!  Take a walk, play with your dog, go have a life guys!  He'll post when he posts.

Sheesh. 

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Posted by namrednef on Friday, August 1, 2008 7:25 AM
 arki30 wrote:

Guys, can we please have some self-control?  Most of us are grown men (I think) and this almost daily carnival of over-the-top adulation and border-line obsession with the next post is embarrassing.  Or it should be!

Everyone take a deep breath and go do something else.  Especially you nam!  Take a walk, play with your dog, go have a life guys!  He'll post when he posts.

Sheesh. 

Well,.....my mature moment for today will be going to see a $6 matinee of the new Mummy film!

As someone's sig says: (sic) "Getting old is mandatory......growing up is optional"Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by White Snake on Friday, August 1, 2008 7:47 AM
 arki30 wrote:

Guys, can we please have some self-control?  Most of us are grown men (I think) and this almost daily carnival of over-the-top adulation and border-line obsession with the next post is embarrassing.  Or it should be!

Everyone take a deep breath and go do something else.  Especially you nam!  Take a walk, play with your dog, go have a life guys!  He'll post when he posts.

Sheesh. 

 

Or you could just worry about yourselfSign - Dots [#dots]

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Posted by sfcmac on Friday, August 1, 2008 8:15 AM
 namrednef wrote:

 subfixer wrote:
It sure is good to hear from you, chuk. I'm glad that a little grog isn't going to hurt you any.

??????Confused [%-)]?????

Hmmmmm looks like the grog may not be as harmless as he thought eh? Case of mistaken Identity I guess. As far as the impatience between post. I think it is meant to be a flattering encouragement and not harrassment.

 Now to help with his research it seems that the SB2C-4E(c) was exclusively piloted by a swimsuit clad Rita Hayworth! Get to scratch building Chuck!!!!!!!!

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Posted by namrednef on Friday, August 1, 2008 8:15 AM
 White Snake wrote:
 arki30 wrote:

Guys, can we please have some self-control?  Most of us are grown men (I think) and this almost daily carnival of over-the-top adulation and border-line obsession with the next post is embarrassing.  Or it should be!

Everyone take a deep breath and go do something else.  Especially you nam!  Take a walk, play with your dog, go have a life guys!  He'll post when he posts.

Sheesh. 

 

 

Or you could just worry about yourselfSign - Dots [#dots]

Easy now,......this is all in help and good fun 

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Posted by bertman on Friday, August 1, 2008 12:58 PM
 arki30 wrote:

Guys, can we please have some self-control?  Most of us are grown men (I think) and this almost daily carnival of over-the-top adulation and border-line obsession with the next post is embarrassing.  Or it should be!

Everyone take a deep breath and go do something else.  Especially you nam!  Take a walk, play with your dog, go have a life guys!  He'll post when he posts.

Sheesh. 



I agree with this, I do enjoy Chuck's posts, but it's a bit misleading to have 6+ new email for this thread and having them all be akin to begging at the edge of Chuck's workbench.

But, after 24 pages, I'm use to it. You know no one can stop you (nor should), but at least know that it does affect others.
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Posted by chukw on Friday, August 1, 2008 3:05 PM

Please play nice, fellas!   Wink [;)]

I'm really busy in my personal life and job right- haven't had a minute at the bench.   I've been to Comic Con International in San Diego, which was both fantastic- and draining.  I have a table in Artist Alley and sketch and sign autographs and show our studio's animation to just about every one of the hundreds of thousands of people that attend.  Shock [:O]  Hopefully, I'll get some time this weekend- but again, things look busy. 

 

I appreciate your patience!

 

chuk

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Posted by namrednef on Friday, August 1, 2008 4:50 PM

 

Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by sfcmac on Saturday, August 2, 2008 5:15 PM

 I'm gonna risk the wrath and bump ya back to page one for the weekend Chuck. Don't want any new comers to miss this incredible post.

Any ways my son has been bugging me about some comic book convention in San Diego. Keeps yapping about the Halo figures series are there. Rang a bell and thought that may be keeping ya occupied.

If yer close by go ahead and swipe him a few. He will be most appreciative. LOLCool [8D]

 Don't work too hard! Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by bertman on Saturday, August 2, 2008 6:31 PM
I was down there myself last weekend, if I knew you were around I would have looked you up :P
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Posted by weebles on Sunday, August 3, 2008 12:18 PM

Chuk,

No need to rush it.  Hold out for quality.  We look forward to your next posting just as soon as you're ready.

Thanks!

Dave

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Posted by subfixer on Monday, August 4, 2008 11:00 AM
 sfcmac wrote:
 namrednef wrote:

 subfixer wrote:
It sure is good to hear from you, chuk. I'm glad that a little grog isn't going to hurt you any.

??????Confused [%-)]?????

Hmmmmm looks like the grog may not be as harmless as he thought eh? Case of mistaken Identity I guess. As far as the impatience between post. I think it is meant to be a flattering encouragement and not harrassment.

 Now to help with his research it seems that the SB2C-4E(c) was exclusively piloted by a swimsuit clad Rita Hayworth! Get to scratch building Chuck!!!!!!!!

Yep, mistaken identity all right. My apologies!

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by sfcmac on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 3:51 AM
Laugh [(-D]
 sfcmac wrote:

 I'm gonna risk the wrath and bump ya back to page one for the weekend Chuck. Don't want any new comers to miss this incredible post.

Any ways my son has been bugging me about some comic book convention in San Diego. Keeps yapping about the Halo figures series are there. Rang a bell and thought that may be keeping ya occupied.

If yer close by go ahead and swipe him a few. He will be most appreciative. LOLCool [8D]

 Don't work too hard! Thumbs Up [tup]

Hey thanks Chuck. The Halo guys arrived today! My son is very happy!.

(actually I got theseoff evil-bay but just wanted to see the look on L'il Chuck and Abes faces)

Shock [:O]

 I guess I could just say "bump" but that is just kinda dull. All work and no play makes Mac a dull boy!

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Posted by namrednef on Friday, August 8, 2008 5:41 PM

 

BUMP! Whistling [:-^]

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