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  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, July 30, 2014 4:21 AM

Damn, looks like I have lost track of this thread again, I really do need to make more of an effort to keep up. Sorry guys.

 

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Here are a few of the photos that I promised from the Dayton Air Show:

 

Awesome pics there. I hadn't realised there was a flying F-86 either. Nice. And some nice pics of the Blue Angels aircraft. A few years back I was working out of El Centro for a few weeks. Unfortunately it was the summer so the Angles were not on base, but the gate guard there is a nice collection of all the aircraft they have used over the years.

Nice pics of the Corsair as well.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, July 30, 2014 4:32 AM

Jim, sounds like you had a hell of a day there. I can't believe you guys don't have chip and pin. But even then its not totally safe. The crooks just find new ways. One method here is to put a device into the slot you put your card in, often on ATM machines. And they put a small camera above the keypad to catch your pin. They have even done it on petrol pumps when you can pay at the pump.That's just one way to do it. The main rule is to always cover your pin and when your using it in a shop, the teller should not move the device out of your site, in many places, they won't even touch your card. So Chip and Pin isn't a complete safe guard. But it is very convenient.

But our banks are good. If there is anything on our accounts that we claim is a fraud, they give us our money back straight away and then investigate. The only drama is then waiting for the new card.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, July 30, 2014 4:35 AM

mikeymize

Hey all, just finished a few hell weeks at the job and have been kind of AWOL. If misery loves company then I'm right there with you Jim. When will these people who require our expertise realize we have other priorities besides workStick out tongue  I did manage to do something constructive during the time as I built my Elefant that I've had in my stash for over a year. The only aspect of it that I wasn't too thrilled with were the faces of the crew and the lack of depth to the zimmerit. As those who know anything about me though, I'm not a perfectionist and am still happy with it. Thanks so much for the pics Ken; that Sabre was so cool. I've never seen one up close in years let alone seen one flying!

mikeymize

Hey all, just finished a few hell weeks at the job and have been kind of AWOL. If misery loves company then I'm right there with you Jim. When will these people who require our expertise realize we have other priorities besides workStick out tongue  I did manage to do something constructive during the time as I built my Elefant that I've had in my stash for over a year. The only aspect of it that I wasn't too thrilled with were the faces of the crew and the lack of depth to the zimmerit. As those who know anything about me though, I'm not a perfectionist and am still happy with it. Thanks so much for the pics Ken; that Sabre was so cool. I've never seen one up close in years let alone seen one flying!

mikeymize

Hey all, just finished a few hell weeks at the job and have been kind of AWOL. If misery loves company then I'm right there with you Jim. When will these people who require our expertise realize we have other priorities besides workStick out tongue  I did manage to do something constructive during the time as I built my Elefant that I've had in my stash for over a year. The only aspect of it that I wasn't too thrilled with were the faces of the crew and the lack of depth to the zimmerit. As those who know anything about me though, I'm not a perfectionist and am still happy with it. Thanks so much for the pics Ken; that Sabre was so cool. I've never seen one up close in years let alone seen one flying!

That looks pretty good to me. Nice looking build.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by jimbot58 on Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:48 AM

Bish

Jim, sounds like you had a hell of a day there. I can't believe you guys don't have chip and pin. But even then its not totally safe. The crooks just find new ways. One method here is to put a device into the slot you put your card in, often on ATM machines. And they put a small camera above the keypad to catch your pin. They have even done it on petrol pumps when you can pay at the pump.That's just one way to do it. The main rule is to always cover your pin and when your using it in a shop, the teller should not move the device out of your site, in many places, they won't even touch your card. So Chip and Pin isn't a complete safe guard. But it is very convenient.

But our banks are good. If there is anything on our accounts that we claim is a fraud, they give us our money back straight away and then investigate. The only drama is then waiting for the new card.

The US is behind on adopting the new chip and pin standard. Merchants are to install the new equipment by next year or they become liable for any fraud. As it is now, it is a simple matter to capture your card number and have it used. No one requires any form of ID or any credentials what so ever. One method that has been used is to visit Home Depot stores and go through the self check-out. Buy a power tool for example, and it is easily resold.

I know nothing is ever 100% safe, but it seems we sacrifice much for the convenience. I have heard of these new cards that have a transponder in it: you wave your card at it and it reads your info. I heard someone can walk by you with a transmitter of some kind that emits the correct signal to have your card give up its info. If you have one, you have to carry your card in a metal wallet.

Thieves work very hard to avoid having to work real jobs.

*******

On my workbench now:

It's all about classic cars now!

Why can't I find the "Any" key on my keyboard?

 

 

 

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  • From: Commonwealth of Virginia
Posted by Tal Afar Dave on Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:57 PM

Well said, Jim and Bish!  If only the thugs out there invested the time and energy that they put into criminal activity towards something more productive our world would be a better place!!

2022 New Year's Resolution:  Enter 1 group build and COMPLETE a build this year!!  Why Photobucket did you rob me of my one Group Build Badge???  Must be part of the strong anti-Monogram cartel!!!

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  • From: Nampa, Idaho
Posted by jelliott523 on Sunday, August 3, 2014 10:41 AM

Thanks for the input on the airbrushes from jimbot and Gamera.  The airbrush I have is a Master brand that I purchased off of Amazon that came in a combination with a small compressor, it isn't bad; however, I would like to have more control over the pressure of the air.  So far, I have only been spraying Model Master acrylic and Testors enamels.  I haven't really had too many problems once I figured out the proper mixing ratios.  Clean-up isn't what I would call "difficult", its just time consuming to make sure that all the paint is removed and I don't screw up the needle.  I seem to be getting pretty decent coverage.

I posted earlier that I would be posting some pictures of my progress on my F-16 that I'm about done with now.  I have primed, reworked areas that needed it and applied the first batch of paint, I have a few areas that will need minor touch-up and I hope to have pics posted very soon.

This will be my first attempt at posting pictures so bear with me.

I want to thank everyone who has offered tips and suggestions, they are very much appreciated and if I don't get around right away to thanking everyone or if I miss anyone; just know I do appreciate them all!

This is a great group and I look forward to browsing the forums.  Hopefully the small 2 cents that I give every now and then can help someone, even if I'm not the most advance builder here.

On the Bench:  Lots of unfinished projects!  Smile

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  • From: California
Posted by mikeymize on Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:06 AM

Thanks for the kind words on my Elefant Bish. I'm very happy with it overall. One thing I debated was painting the driver's hatch the same color as the outside of the tank but had done some research indicating some were painted with the same ivory color as the interior. At least it looked that way in B/W photos. Anyway, to my eye it added a little breakup and decided to paint it that way. As far as my JU-87 for your GB it is finished and will post a pic or two soon. I'm in the process of moving out of state for my job and that's more than likely going to affect my building. If I'm not active for a while, everyone will know why. I'm guessing it won't be till September though.

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:41 AM

jimbot58

Bish

Jim, sounds like you had a hell of a day there. I can't believe you guys don't have chip and pin. But even then its not totally safe. The crooks just find new ways. One method here is to put a device into the slot you put your card in, often on ATM machines. And they put a small camera above the keypad to catch your pin. They have even done it on petrol pumps when you can pay at the pump.That's just one way to do it. The main rule is to always cover your pin and when your using it in a shop, the teller should not move the device out of your site, in many places, they won't even touch your card. So Chip and Pin isn't a complete safe guard. But it is very convenient.

But our banks are good. If there is anything on our accounts that we claim is a fraud, they give us our money back straight away and then investigate. The only drama is then waiting for the new card.

The US is behind on adopting the new chip and pin standard. Merchants are to install the new equipment by next year or they become liable for any fraud. As it is now, it is a simple matter to capture your card number and have it used. No one requires any form of ID or any credentials what so ever. One method that has been used is to visit Home Depot stores and go through the self check-out. Buy a power tool for example, and it is easily resold.

I know nothing is ever 100% safe, but it seems we sacrifice much for the convenience. I have heard of these new cards that have a transponder in it: you wave your card at it and it reads your info. I heard someone can walk by you with a transmitter of some kind that emits the correct signal to have your card give up its info. If you have one, you have to carry your card in a metal wallet.

Thieves work very hard to avoid having to work real jobs.

How do your self service check outs work if you don't have chip and pin. We have only had them since the introduction of chip and pin. Does seem strange that the US is so far behind on these. Its been that long now I can't even recall not having them. I think we have had them about 10 years. I am that used to it, I don't carry cash most of the time, which can be awkward when you are getting something small.

Not sure about cards with transponders, but contactless payments are becoming more common for small amounts, but I think they are done though mobile phones.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:45 AM

dave, ye, you got that right.

Mikey, most of what I have read says that any hatch that opens to the outside should have the inside surface painted the same as the exterior colour. But the ivory is a nice touch. Look forward to seeing that completed Stuka.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by jimbot58 on Monday, August 4, 2014 3:14 AM

Hey all!

Still no word from the bank regarding my $200! They said it could be 10 days, and I assume that means business days. They are quick to take it out, but seem to be in no hurry to resolve an issue like this.

Why is the US behind on this? Hard to say, but I understand that they lag behind on a great many things. I hear it causes a lot of trouble for those traveling abroad.

Sorry I haven't kept up much on the Voodoo work, though I have been working here and there on it. It is actually getting very close to done!

Not a lot to finish other than the tail, nose, canopy and weapons load. Work has been pretty hectic at times, and even on weekends I either have so much to do, or I'm just not up to it. Too tired or just feeling low....

Jim

*******

On my workbench now:

It's all about classic cars now!

Why can't I find the "Any" key on my keyboard?

 

 

 

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, August 4, 2014 5:57 AM

That's looking really nice Jim.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, August 4, 2014 7:32 AM

Jim, the Voodoo looks fantastic so far! I know what you mean though about being too pooped to get anything done, same here most of the time.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Monday, August 4, 2014 8:06 PM

mikeymize

Thanks for the kind words on my Elefant Bish. I'm very happy with it overall. One thing I debated was painting the driver's hatch the same color as the outside of the tank but had done some research indicating some were painted with the same ivory color as the interior. At least it looked that way in B/W photos. Anyway, to my eye it added a little breakup and decided to paint it that way. As far as my JU-87 for your GB it is finished and will post a pic or two soon. I'm in the process of moving out of state for my job and that's more than likely going to affect my building. If I'm not active for a while, everyone will know why. I'm guessing it won't be till September though.

Hey Mike, I truly understand how moving will affect your building!  Personally, I hate moving!  Please do check in with us whenever you get the chance, you know you don't have to be building anything to post something here!

Ken

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Monday, August 4, 2014 8:12 PM

jimbot58

Hey all!

Still no word from the bank regarding my $200! They said it could be 10 days, and I assume that means business days. They are quick to take it out, but seem to be in no hurry to resolve an issue like this.

Why is the US behind on this? Hard to say, but I understand that they lag behind on a great many things. I hear it causes a lot of trouble for those traveling abroad.

Sorry I haven't kept up much on the Voodoo work, though I have been working here and there on it. It is actually getting very close to done!

Not a lot to finish other than the tail, nose, canopy and weapons load. Work has been pretty hectic at times, and even on weekends I either have so much to do, or I'm just not up to it. Too tired or just feeling low....

Jim

Jim, your Voodoo is looking outstanding!  I still have to remind myself that you are working in 1/72 scale!  Fantastic detailing!

I hope your job starts letting up on the hours for you.  You can only take that for so long.

That really sucks about your money.  I hope they get it back to you soon.

Ken

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Monday, August 4, 2014 8:17 PM

Hi Everyone,

I think I told you all about my experience last year when I got stung by the "Bald Face Hornet".  Well I can't believe it, but yesterday while I was mowing the yard I got attacked by a nest of Yellow Jackets!  I ended up only getting two stings out of it.  But since it happened here at my house, my wife simply drove me to the urgent care center that is literally just around the block.  A couple of shots in my butt and I was able to come back home.  Of course I was done for the day, dealing with the swelling and pain.  I have still to find the nest to kill the little bastards!

Ken

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Posted by Tal Afar Dave on Monday, August 4, 2014 8:43 PM

Wow, Ken!  My place is getting overrun by the yellow (jacket) hordes as well!  My wife found three large nests while moving some of her flowers around the garden.  Luckily, she's not allergic to bee stings; she got stung about 7 times total......Hope you are feeling better and close to putting the bastards to the torch!!

2022 New Year's Resolution:  Enter 1 group build and COMPLETE a build this year!!  Why Photobucket did you rob me of my one Group Build Badge???  Must be part of the strong anti-Monogram cartel!!!

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Posted by mikeymize on Monday, August 4, 2014 10:10 PM

Hey Jim, glad to see a pic of the build. In spite of your lack of time to give it, she seems to be looking pretty darn good! Any one of us here would be proud of it I'm sure. I know I would! Bad news about the yellow jacket attack Ken. I'm still trying to figure out what function they and wasps serve on this earth. Other than to annoy us. Spider food maybe? I agree with you on destroying the nest. They may have started this war, but you can sure finish it...... .and them! Take 'em out of action permanently buddy!

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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Posted by jimbot58 on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 12:39 AM

Wow Ken! I hope you still keep that Epipen handy! Be careful when you engage them in battle, and be victorious!

Just had an awful interruption! Heard all this racket from the roof and discovered the pulley had come loose from the fan on my cooler! If there is one thing I hate more than climbing up on the roof, is climbing up on the roof in the dark!

On top of all that, I have been feeling sick all day at work, and since I got home have spent way much time in just one small room here. I nearly didn't make it down in time from the roof for another episode!

I really think tomorrow may be a sick day. They already know I was not feeling good, and I'm overdue.

Oops! Gotta go!Dead

Jim

*******

On my workbench now:

It's all about classic cars now!

Why can't I find the "Any" key on my keyboard?

 

 

 

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 6:01 AM

jimbot58

Wow Ken! I hope you still keep that Epipen handy! Be careful when you engage them in battle, and be victorious!

Just had an awful interruption! Heard all this racket from the roof and discovered the pulley had come loose from the fan on my cooler! If there is one thing I hate more than climbing up on the roof, is climbing up on the roof in the dark!

On top of all that, I have been feeling sick all day at work, and since I got home have spent way much time in just one small room here. I nearly didn't make it down in time from the roof for another episode!

I really think tomorrow may be a sick day. They already know I was not feeling good, and I'm overdue.

Oops! Gotta go!Dead

Jim

Thank you Jim for the well wishes!

I hope you start feeling better soon!

I didn't have any time to search for the nest yesterday as I had to mow my Mom's yard.  Maybe this evening I can do a "Search & Destroy" mission!

Ken

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Posted by Striker8241 on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 6:02 AM

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

I think I told you all about my experience last year when I got stung by the "Bald Face Hornet".  Well I can't believe it, but yesterday while I was mowing the yard I got attacked by a nest of Yellow Jackets!  I ended up only getting two stings out of it.  But since it happened here at my house, my wife simply drove me to the urgent care center that is literally just around the block.  A couple of shots in my butt and I was able to come back home.  Of course I was done for the day, dealing with the swelling and pain.  I have still to find the nest to kill the little bastards!

Ken

Wow, sorry to hear about the wasp stings, Ken! That's a nasty situation when you're allergic to them. Hope you get over the discomfort soon!

Russ

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:33 AM

Ouch Ken, that blows! Well, all I know to do is stalk them back to their hole and then dump a little gasoline/petrol into it and poison the little bas- um critters.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:39 PM

Gamera

Ouch Ken, that blows! Well, all I know to do is stalk them back to their hole and then dump a little gasoline/petrol into it and poison the little bas- um critters.

That is exactly the plan Cliff! Used that method before!

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:36 PM

Tal Afar Dave

Wow, Ken!  My place is getting overrun by the yellow (jacket) hordes as well!  My wife found three large nests while moving some of her flowers around the garden.  Luckily, she's not allergic to bee stings; she got stung about 7 times total......Hope you are feeling better and close to putting the bastards to the torch!!

Wow Dave! Even if she isn't allergic that had to be painful! Yes the doctor said they have noticed an increase in stings lately.

Ken

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:41 PM

I just had to look up Yellow jackets. Ouch, sounds like your much safer staying in the hobby room.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by jimbot58 on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 6:27 PM

Bish

I just had to look up Yellow jackets. Ouch, sounds like your much safer staying in the hobby room.

Those little bastards can be nasty, even without the allergies! When I was attacked a couple of years ago, it was very painful! I had a swelling the size of a hen's egg on my arm and the bite on my thigh actually left a scar! I think I had some sort of a reaction to the venom as I actually had a bit of a fever afterwards. I was at Walmart at one in the morning buying a can of spray killer! I had decided those critters would never see another dawn!

Funny as I haven't seen a lot of them this year, but they do become more active and aggressive later into the summer.

Today was no fun as I ended up staying home from work, as I couldn't stray too far from the bathroom. The 'storm' seems to have subsided, and I am about to venture out to get me some soup or something, as I have the Old Mother Hubbard syndrome. The cupboards seem to be bare.

I couldn't even work in the hobby room as all I seemed to do was sleep all day. The worst part of sick has to be the boredom sometimes.

Jim

*******

On my workbench now:

It's all about classic cars now!

Why can't I find the "Any" key on my keyboard?

 

 

 

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  • From: Commonwealth of Virginia
Posted by Tal Afar Dave on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 8:20 PM

Hey Ken and Jim, hope that you guys are feeling better now!!!  It sucks when you have to take a sick day and you can't get in any build time!!!

2022 New Year's Resolution:  Enter 1 group build and COMPLETE a build this year!!  Why Photobucket did you rob me of my one Group Build Badge???  Must be part of the strong anti-Monogram cartel!!!

 ]

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 9:08 PM

jimbot58

Bish

I just had to look up Yellow jackets. Ouch, sounds like your much safer staying in the hobby room.

Those little bastards can be nasty, even without the allergies! When I was attacked a couple of years ago, it was very painful! I had a swelling the size of a hen's egg on my arm and the bite on my thigh actually left a scar! I think I had some sort of a reaction to the venom as I actually had a bit of a fever afterwards. I was at Walmart at one in the morning buying a can of spray killer! I had decided those critters would never see another dawn!

Funny as I haven't seen a lot of them this year, but they do become more active and aggressive later into the summer.

Today was no fun as I ended up staying home from work, as I couldn't stray too far from the bathroom. The 'storm' seems to have subsided, and I am about to venture out to get me some soup or something, as I have the Old Mother Hubbard syndrome. The cupboards seem to be bare.

I couldn't even work in the hobby room as all I seemed to do was sleep all day. The worst part of sick has to be the boredom sometimes.

Jim

I remember you telling us about those Yellow Jackets at your house.

I hope you start feeling better soon. That sucks when you are too sick to even build. As much as you have been working it may be the reason you are sick. You haven't been getting enough rest.

By the way, any word yet on your money?

Ken

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 9:12 PM

Tal Afar Dave

Hey Ken and Jim, hope that you guys are feeling better now!!!  It sucks when you have to take a sick day and you can't get in any build time!!!

Thank you Dave for the well wishes! Much appreciated. The swelling has gone down quite a bit now. The stings now itch like crazy. I still haven't found the nest yet.

Ken

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Posted by jimbot58 on Saturday, August 9, 2014 1:01 AM

Hey Ken: An FYI here, Eduard has released a PE set for your 1:48 scale Kitty Hawk Voodoo! They are in stock at SB's as of today!

I also see a PE set for my Academy F-35A. I am ordering a set tonight because you know how quickly some of these things can sell out, though I'm sure there will be lots and lots of F-35 kits and accessories to come with this aircraft coming into service. Funny thing is that I just don't find this aircraft to be all that attractive......

I'm also waiting for that A-10 Avenger gun barrel to arrive-it was in stock at BNA model world from down under. Takes a while to get here from halfway around the world!

More later, but I just wanted to jump in there about the Eduard set.

Jim

*******

On my workbench now:

It's all about classic cars now!

Why can't I find the "Any" key on my keyboard?

 

 

 

  • Member since
    November 2010
  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, August 9, 2014 12:54 PM

jimbot58

Hey Ken: An FYI here, Eduard has released a PE set for your 1:48 scale Kitty Hawk Voodoo! They are in stock at SB's as of today!

I also see a PE set for my Academy F-35A. I am ordering a set tonight because you know how quickly some of these things can sell out, though I'm sure there will be lots and lots of F-35 kits and accessories to come with this aircraft coming into service. Funny thing is that I just don't find this aircraft to be all that attractive......

I'm also waiting for that A-10 Avenger gun barrel to arrive-it was in stock at BNA model world from down under. Takes a while to get here from halfway around the world!

More later, but I just wanted to jump in there about the Eduard set.

Jim

Hi Jim,

Thank you so much for the heads up on those Eduard PE sets!  Smile  Those came out fast!  I will wait until they offer the "Big Ed" set which will include all of the PE sets together which is a much better deal than purchasing them individually.

I agree with you about the F-35 not being an attractive aircraft.  It just does not have an appealing look to it.

Ken

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