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Posted by DesertRat on Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:03 PM
Fairly new book? I'm wondering if it's something I could find at Barnes & Noble

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Posted by WarHammer25 on Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:10 PM
Well the book itself is new, but Magnesium Overcast has been out for a while. I have seen it at Barnes & Nobles before. It seems to be in stock in some stores every now and then.
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Posted by bondoman on Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:30 PM
 DesertRat wrote:
Fairly new book? I'm wondering if it's something I could find at Barnes & Noble
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Posted by DesertRat on Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:34 PM
Funny...... I was in there 2 days ago, and never saw it. Wonder if maybe that particular branch was out...Confused [%-)]

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, December 29, 2008 12:23 AM

 DesertRat wrote:
Funny...... I was in there 2 days ago, and never saw it. Wonder if maybe that particular branch was out...Confused [%-)]
http://www.amazon.com/Magnesium-Overcast-Story-Convair-B-36/dp/1580070426/ref=ed_oe_h

I doubt it's still in print. There's also a paperback version. It has so much info, including all kind of appendices listing every airframe, it's unit, disposition, etc.

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Posted by DesertRat on Monday, December 29, 2008 1:58 AM
Didn't think to check online! Oops! I'm gonna heck around and see if I can find it locally, if possible. When it comes to books, I tend to be one that would prefer to see it, touch it, feel it, smell it, taste it, and feel it a little bit more. Guess I'm kinda silly that way...Blush [:I]

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Posted by WarHammer25 on Monday, December 29, 2008 8:21 AM

I got the paper

back version for only $24.

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Posted by yardbird78 on Monday, December 29, 2008 2:39 PM

www.Amazon.com has Magnesium Overcast for $18,

B-36 Photo Scrapbook for $100

B-36 Warbird Tech for $90

several other B-36 books

I didn't realize that they had become so expensive.  I bought my copies several years ago, but I don't think that I paid nearly that much.

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Posted by DesertRat on Monday, December 29, 2008 2:50 PM
Actually one thing I could use with any build at all is good reference materials! I do have some books in HC and PB that are useful (ie. lots of pictures) but they tend to revolve more around modern fighter jets. I think most of the research I get is usually through the magic of Google. There was a thread that was around maybe about a year and a half ago or so- a "Show me your library" sorta thing. I was always amazd at how extensive some of the posters here had their libraries. I always wanted something a little more like what I had seen. Just something about having a tangible reference there...

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, December 29, 2008 3:30 PM
 WarHammer25 wrote:

I just came back from the bookstore and I got lucky. They had Magnesium Overcast! Big Smile [:D] I must say that it is the best book on the B-36. A must have for anybody building a Peacemaker.

I checked out my RB-36H kit and you can build both a B-36H and a RB-36H. It does not come with walking-strip decals but has them outlined with raised panel lines. Looks like a cool kit and it is HUGE!

Here's a trick I used for the stripes on the 1/72 BUFF. Since it was going to be natural metal, I primed the whole wing with black which is the norm for me under Alclad. Then I simply masked off the stripes themselves and painted all, and I mean ALL cuz it was a LOT, of silver over them. It was pretty easy to find the right width of tape, plus touch up was much easier with black than it ever ever would have been with silver.
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Posted by WarHammer25 on Monday, December 29, 2008 6:12 PM
Thanks for the tip bondoman. That is what I will do on my B-36. Just need to get some tape, and then the aluminum and magnesium colored paint and I will be set.
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Posted by Pavlvs on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:55 AM
Just to update you, my Aardvark is going to be 1/48. Does anybody know of any detail sets for the i/48 'Vark? I am also going to do the B-58 after all also in 1/48. I have a detail set for all three cockpits and I'm looking forward to that. I've never done detail sets before so any tips would be truly appreciated.

Good luck and a blessed new year

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Posted by dmk on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:21 AM

 Pavlvs wrote:
Just to update you, my Aardvark is going to be 1/48. Does anybody know of any detail sets for the i/48 'Vark?

I am also going to do the B-58 after all also in 1/48.

  You're doing the same two kits that I am. 

 

 I just saw an F-111 detail kit here.

 

 

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Posted by DesertRat on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:39 AM

 Pavlvs wrote:
Just to update you, my Aardvark is going to be 1/48. Does anybody know of any detail sets for the i/48 'Vark? I am also going to do the B-58 after all also in 1/48. I have a detail set for all three cockpits and I'm looking forward to that. I've never done detail sets before so any tips would be truly appreciated.

Good luck and a blessed new year

Got it. Happy new year!

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Posted by Wirraway on Saturday, January 3, 2009 4:40 AM
 bondoman wrote:
 WarHammer25 wrote:

I just came back from the bookstore and I got lucky. They had Magnesium Overcast! Big Smile [:D] I must say that it is the best book on the B-36. A must have for anybody building a Peacemaker.

I checked out my RB-36H kit and you can build both a B-36H and a RB-36H. It does not come with walking-strip decals but has them outlined with raised panel lines. Looks like a cool kit and it is HUGE!

Here's a trick I used for the stripes on the 1/72 BUFF. Since it was going to be natural metal, I primed the whole wing with black which is the norm for me under Alclad. Then I simply masked off the stripes themselves and painted all, and I mean ALL cuz it was a LOT, of silver over them. It was pretty easy to find the right width of tape, plus touch up was much easier with black than it ever ever would have been with silver.

Bondo,

If I was going to do my BUFF in the SEA camo scheme, would the walkway lines still be in black ?

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Posted by dmk on Saturday, January 3, 2009 8:12 AM
Aren't they red on the SEA camo scheme?
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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, January 3, 2009 11:49 AM

I'm NO expert, but looking through a quick series of photos online they all look black to me. The red would appear to be where the background, ie the tail is black. Wonder about the underside of the wings, though.

Here's a handy little guide I came across.

http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/b-52/b-52_profile03.shtml

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Posted by WarHammer25 on Saturday, January 3, 2009 12:11 PM
All of my references (and they are limited for the B-52) show black as well.
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Posted by dmk on Saturday, January 3, 2009 12:32 PM
 bondoman wrote:

 The red would appear to be where the background, ie the tail is black.

That must be what I was thinking.
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Posted by BUFFbuff on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 11:04 AM
I want to join in this.  Can you email me the requirements?  Does it matter that I have 20 D's, 10 G's, and 10 KC-135As already?  (yes, they're all 1/72) I'm looking to add to my collection. I can do another NMF G or KC-135A tall tail in aluminum finish (not NMF but with the so called 'anti-corrosion' aluminum scheme).  Or, I haven't done the KC-97L yet, that would be a good subject.
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Posted by BUFFbuff on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 11:09 AM
Well, maybe not an element of surprise, but could you imagine the building fear in the enemy during a mass bombing raid - the noise alone might make it sound like we were tripling the largest B-17 raids of WWII!  ". . . what tha . . . is that confounded humming noise . . .?" the guy on the ground might inquire.
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Posted by DesertRat on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 11:46 AM

 BUFFbuff wrote:
I want to join in this.  Can you email me the requirements?  Does it matter that I have 20 D's, 10 G's, and 10 KC-135As already?  (yes, they're all 1/72) I'm looking to add to my collection. I can do another NMF G or KC-135A tall tail in aluminum finish (not NMF but with the so called 'anti-corrosion' aluminum scheme).  Or, I haven't done the KC-97L yet, that would be a good subject.

Hiya Buff! Sign - Welcome [#welcome]to the Forums, and Sign - Welcome [#welcome]to the SAC GB II! Glad to have ya aboard! I'll add your name to the duty roster. You'll find the rules and stuff on the first post of the thread here. Just post here what you decide what to enter, and I'll make sure to post it as well. We still have a month and a half (or so) until start time, so you've got time.

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Roger

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Posted by BUFFbuff on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 11:53 AM

The SAC crews (Crew Dogs) were drawn from every SAC base, I think, all bases.  They were rotated for a tour of duty, normally 100 missions, if memory serves.  Select, Everready, and Regular crews participated. 

A lot of AC's (Aircraft Commanders) liked to get their crews to U-Tapao from Andersen in Guam, naturally, because it was a much shorter flight to the target areas.  And let's face it, there was just more to do in Thialand than on the rock.  Coming out of Andersen, it was a long flight and one had to pick up a "Young Tiger" KC-135 from Kadena in a number of air refueling areas near the Philippines.

I never heard of any AC-130s or AC-119s as part of SAC.  I think they came under the 7th AF (PACAF) and not the 8th out of Andersen.  I know the AC-47s did because on pages 52-55 of the 7th AF In Country Tacical Air Operations Handbook, 20 Mar 68; it discusses employment and tactics.

The B-52Ds in SEA would normally strike from three to seven target areas in a 24-hr period and rack upto 1200 sorties (total force) per month.  The sorties normally had two, three-ship, cells and while the BUFFs operated outside of the tactical air environment under COMUSMACV, the strikes were coordinated (so we were told) with tactical air. The tactics, techinques, and operating practices of B-52 forces were determined entirely by SAC.

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Posted by BUFFbuff on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 11:58 AM
OK, can I do more than one?  If so, put me down for a KC-135A Tall Tail in aluminum and a KC-97L in NMF.
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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 12:46 PM

I'm in...I've got several kits on the shelf ready to start that are part of my SAC collection...for sure I'll be doing an EC-135 that my dad served aboard, callsign: "Grayson" which was based out of Westover AFB, MA.

I've got several  (some mulitiples of) -135, B-52, B-47, B-36, B-58 as well as many others on the list of aircraft that qualify.

 

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Posted by MattSix on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 3:24 PM

Can I get in on this GB?

I have a 1/48 RoG F-86D in the stash! It will give me an excuse to "polish up" on my NMF skills!

Sorry for the bad pun. It won't happen again! Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by BUFFbuff on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 3:46 PM
 HawkeyeHobbies wrote:

I'm in...I've got several kits on the shelf ready to start that are part of my SAC collection...for sure I'll be doing an EC-135 that my dad served aboard, callsign: "Grayson" which was based out of Westover AFB, MA.

I've got several  (some mulitiples of) -135, B-52, B-47, B-36, B-58 as well as many others on the list of aircraft that qualify.

 

8th AF ABNCP no doubt, huh? When was he there? Was he part of the CP crew or the flight crew? Just curious.

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Posted by DesertRat on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 7:14 PM

 BUFFbuff wrote:
OK, can I do more than one?  If so, put me down for a KC-135A Tall Tail in aluminum and a KC-97L in NMF.

Absolutely!!!! Done!Cool [8D]

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Roger

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Posted by DesertRat on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 7:19 PM
 HawkeyeHobbies wrote:

I'm in...I've got several kits on the shelf ready to start that are part of my SAC collection...for sure I'll be doing an EC-135 that my dad served aboard, callsign: "Grayson" which was based out of Westover AFB, MA.

I've got several  (some mulitiples of) -135, B-52, B-47, B-36, B-58 as well as many others on the list of aircraft that qualify.

 

Welcome board, Gerald! I'm adding you to the list! That -135 of yours sounds like it's going to be an exceptionally interesting build. I think modelling takes on an uniquely special excitement when there is something more personal with the subject. Can't wait to see Grayson!Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by DesertRat on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 7:23 PM
 MattSix wrote:

Can I get in on this GB?

I have a 1/48 RoG F-86D in the stash! It will give me an excuse to "polish up" on my NMF skills!

Sorry for the bad pun. It won't happen again! Whistling [:-^]

F-86D! I love that plane! I'll add you to the list, and Sign - Welcome [#welcome]aboard! Always a good excuse to Polish up on the NMF skills! I for one will be doing it for the first time! I may very well be tapping you guys on advice when it comes painting timeBlush [:I]

Warmest regards,

Roger

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