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Adversary & Aggressor GB (3/15/09-12/31/09)

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    December 2002
Posted by Bossman on Friday, March 6, 2009 10:42 PM

Count me in with a 1/72 Hasegawa F-16N - in a grey/green splinter scheme.

Chris

  • Member since
    November 2008
  • From: Long Island, NY
Posted by Hot-Pb on Tuesday, March 3, 2009 5:40 AM
 taxtp wrote:

I wasn't aware that Skyray's had been used in this capacity, I'd like to know more and certainly would look forward to seeing a model.

Against my better judgement, I'll add to my ever growing list of promises with a Hasegawa 1/72 F-16N with some aftermarket cockpit bits.

Cheers

Tony

Very nice taxtp, welcome aboard!

  • Member since
    April 2005
  • From: Australia
Posted by taxtp on Monday, March 2, 2009 11:26 PM

I wasn't aware that Skyray's had been used in this capacity, I'd like to know more and certainly would look forward to seeing a model.

Against my better judgement, I'll add to my ever growing list of promises with a Hasegawa 1/72 F-16N with some aftermarket cockpit bits.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Sugar Land, TX
Posted by rlawson on Monday, March 2, 2009 12:30 PM

Great! Looking forward to it. Thanks

Dick

  • Member since
    November 2008
  • From: Long Island, NY
Posted by Hot-Pb on Monday, March 2, 2009 7:09 AM
 rlawson wrote:

Hot-Pb

Let me run this by you again, now that you have established rules for the GB. My first choice would be an F4D Skyray flown at a gunnery meet in April, 1958, by the Fleet Air Gunnery Unit. This predates Viet Nam and the whole Topgun push, including all those lo-viz/camoflage schemes. The Skyray wore the standard gray over white scheme. The FAGU markings were a red/white checkerboard on the vertical tail surfaces, and black rings around the nose and drop tank tips with red lightning bolts striking through them. Certainly something different from most of the entries coming in. My kit is the Tamiya F4D-1 in 1/72 (that's what I do).

The only question I have is how the A/C was used, whether it acted as an opposing force. I know it was sometimes used as a target tug, but haven't found out if they did ACM. In the 1958 meet, the sqn's were flying F4D's and FJ Furies.

If this still passes muster, I'm in.  If not, I'll go back and pick something in that boring gray camoflage, and check back. Thanks.

Dick

Hi rlawson!

I think we can fit in the FAGU Skyray as an early pre-NAM example, welcome aboard. I'd like to be flexible to attract a variety of subjects. Heck, I hear in some instances they outsourced missions to private companies to fly aircraft such as Lear Jets in the "aggressor" role. 

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Sugar Land, TX
Posted by rlawson on Sunday, March 1, 2009 10:58 PM

Hot-Pb

Let me run this by you again, now that you have established rules for the GB. My first choice would be an F4D Skyray flown at a gunnery meet in April, 1958, by the Fleet Air Gunnery Unit. This predates Viet Nam and the whole Topgun push, including all those lo-viz/camoflage schemes. The Skyray wore the standard gray over white scheme. The FAGU markings were a red/white checkerboard on the vertical tail surfaces, and black rings around the nose and drop tank tips with red lightning bolts striking through them. Certainly something different from most of the entries coming in. My kit is the Tamiya F4D-1 in 1/72 (that's what I do).

The only question I have is how the A/C was used, whether it acted as an opposing force. I know it was sometimes used as a target tug, but haven't found out if they did ACM. In the 1958 meet, the sqn's were flying F4D's and FJ Furies.

If this still passes muster, I'm in.  If not, I'll go back and pick something in that boring gray camoflage, and check back. Thanks.

Dick

  • Member since
    June 2008
Posted by lewbud on Sunday, March 1, 2009 3:06 PM

Put me down for a1/48 Hobbycraft A-4 in that funky green lizard looking scheme.

EDIT: The kit is at home.  When I get there I'll post the squadron info.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, March 1, 2009 3:01 PM
Hasegawa 1/32 F-5E, 57th TTW, 64th FWS, Nellis AFB, "Snake" camo scheme.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

  • Member since
    November 2008
  • From: Long Island, NY
Posted by Hot-Pb on Sunday, March 1, 2009 12:41 PM

The 2009 Adversary/Aggressor Duty Roster:

Hot-Pb -  Tamiya 1/48 F-16C, Arctic Aggressor scheme, 354th FW, 18th Aggressor Squadron (18th AGRS) at Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska.

stikpusher - Hasegawa 1/32 F-5E, 57th TTW, 64th FWS, Nellis AFB, "Snake" camo scheme.

lewbud - Hobbycraft 1/48 A-4 in that funky green lizard looking scheme.

rlawson -  Tamiya 1/72 F4D-1, Skyray flown at a gunnery meet in April, 1958, by the Fleet Air Gunnery Unit (FAGU).

taxtp - Hasegawa 1/72 F-16N with some aftermarket cockpit bits.

Bossman - Hasegawa 1/72 F-16N - in a grey/green splinter scheme.

balta1 - HC 1/48 A-4 Skyhawk

Jagdwolf - Hasegawa 1/32nd Northrop F-5E into the only CF-116A (S/N 116705) done up in Aggressor colours and markings!! THE ONLY!!!!

Konigwolf13 - 1/100 F-15 in 65th aggressor sqn colours.

  • Member since
    November 2008
  • From: Long Island, NY
Adversary & Aggressor GB (3/15/09-12/31/09)
Posted by Hot-Pb on Sunday, March 1, 2009 12:37 PM

 

 

Gentlemen and Ladies.... Welcome to the 2009 Adversary and Aggressor Group Build! After floating the idea in the Aircraft forum it seems there's enough potential interest in the subject for this to fly and I haven't seen one of these done recently. There's also a very nice selection of new kits and decals released recently of aircraft that would be candidates for such a build, so the timing seems...ummm...timely!


This Build will begin on March 15th, 2009 and finish on December 31st, 2009 (although the deadline may be extended if needed). Hopefully that's a long enough stretch to attract those that may be interested but are currently busy with other builds (like ME!) Whistling [:-^]


So...the rules.

1. Aircraft to be built must have been used by Adversary (US Navy and Marine Corps) and/or Aggressor (US Air Force) squadrons to act as an opposing force in military wargames. Foreign Aggressors are also allowed (i.e. Canadian's MAPLE FLAG exercises).
2. They must be painted and marked in the scheme they would have utilized in such a role.
3. Aftermarket accessories and scratchbuilding is, as always, allowed.
4. Any scale is permitted.
5. Kits that have already been started are allowed as long as they have not been painted and decaled yet.
6. Crossovers are permitted.
7. Post your progress if possible but post a final build photo minimally when done and I'll add it to the front page.
8. And as always, HAVE FUN!!!!! Propeller [8-]

Some of the best known examples of adversary/aggressor aircraft are those flown at the Navy Fighter Weapons School (better known as "TOPGUN") or at the "Red Flag" aerial combat training exercise hosted at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada and Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska. Canadian Forces also have used Aggressor training in their MAPLE FLAG exercises. Some of the myriad of aircraft that have flown with US aggressor/adversary squadrons include (but are not restricted to) Douglas A-4s, Northrop F-5s and CF-116Ds (CF-5Ds), the Isreali F-21 Kfir, McDonnell-Douglas F/A-18As, Lockheed-Martin F-16Ns, As, Cs, McDonnell-Douglas F-15s, Grumman F-14s and even foreign aircraft such as MiG-17s, 21s, and 23s, Mi-24 Hinds, Mi-8 Hips, Mi-2 Hoplites, and An-2 Colts.


Some of the Adversary/Aggressor squadrons in the US armed forces include the USAF's 64th, 65th, and 527th Aggressor Squadrons, VMFT-401 (US Marine Corps) and the Navy's VFC-12 (NAS Oceana), VFC-13 (NAS Fallon) and VFC-111 (NAS Key West) as well as the famous "TOPGUN" Naval Fighter Weapons School (US Navy) which is not a squadron per se, but operates F-16A and F/A-18A/B/E/F aircraft as part of the Naval Strike and Air Warfare Center at NAS Fallon. In the 1970's and 80's there was the 26th AS at Clark AB in the Phillipines. The RCAF 419 Tactical Fighter Training Squadron flew in an Aggressor role as well. I'm sure I'm missing some.


So let me know if you're interested in participating. Let me know what kit and scale you plan on building and if possible some information on what markings you plan on and what squadron this may have flown historically.


Hot-Pb

 

 

 

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