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Posted by soulcrusher on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:57 PM

Thank you Rob Rob and Randy.Rob that B-58 is looking good. The foil work is quite impressive.

I managed to place most of the decals last night. I still have to put all of the fueling stencils and such on. Of course the stripe that runs down the side of the cowl and underneath the cockpit gave me trouble. I was expecting it to as every review of this kit stated how hard it was to get in place because it goes over the very sharply curved bulges in the cowl and over the exhaust openings. I should be able to touch them up a bit with paint. The white rudder decal was a bit of a disapointment as it looks a little blochy up close but I can live with it. I mean its only a $15.. dollar kit and Academy decals are known for being a bit on the thick side. I will post some more pics later after I get the rest of the decals on. Hopefully tomorrow I will be adding all of the fiddly bits. I liked the Talon paints so much I think I am going to do another subject for this GB because there is still so much time left in this GB.

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Posted by Lancair IV on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 3:12 PM

Undercarriage is complete less a few lines i want to run.  They are not attached yet so I can finish the foiling.

 

Thanks for looking

Cheers

Rob Byrnes

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Posted by Lancair IV on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:31 PM
Welcome back Fermis.......

Rob Byrnes

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Posted by fermis on Monday, June 22, 2009 10:34 PM

 Hello again all, the work is lookin great, by everyone. I just couldn't let you guys have all the fun. I finally did it!!! I broke out ProMods, F-86D Sabredog. Finished up the pit and a few misc. bits today, and about to get back at it. Another late night, tomorrow is another day off. It's only been about 2 months (since building), but it feels like a lot longer. Feels good to be back at it.

 Dayton is terrible for pics. I took 2 rolls, and was quite disappointed.

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Posted by vetteman42 on Monday, June 22, 2009 10:23 PM

Sherman1111 Nice pictures of the B-58 thank you for sharing them with us. But you have gone an dun a dangerous thing and given me an idea or two that I am going to have to think on for a few days.

Lancair IV thanks for the pictures those kind of memories are priceless.

Soulcrusher Oh I like it very nice work ! That Talon stuff really works well and the contrast with color really pops. Chompin at the bit to see it finished.

 

 

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by Lancair IV on Monday, June 22, 2009 9:02 PM

Outstanding work Soulcrusher.  Love the color contrast.  Cant wait to see her completed.

 

I should be able to post some updated pictures of my 1/48 B-58 Hustler tomorrow.  The undercarriage is complete but not attached, and a bunch of foiling is completed.  I forgot how monotonous this is.  I thought I learned my lesson after the B-24.  I'll never learn.

Rob Byrnes

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Posted by smokinguns3 on Monday, June 22, 2009 8:42 PM
looking good.
Rob I think i can I think i can
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Posted by soulcrusher on Monday, June 22, 2009 6:18 PM

A bit more progress. I found out the hard way it is a pain in the butt to do a model in half NMF and paint. It is tough separating both halves of the model because they are both being treated completly separatly. The painted bottom needed a coat of future and then a dullcoat for the decals. With the upper NMF I am applying the decals directly to the finish because of its smooth surface and I do not want and dullcoat overspray on it either. Here is a pic where I am at so far.

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Posted by Lancair IV on Monday, June 22, 2009 12:02 PM

I've been there several time myself.  It's only a 3 hour drive from my house.  In the late 80's my dad won the Wright Brothers Award with his Lancair 235.  The local EAA chapter treated us like kings.  He flew the plane in the air show, we toured the Wrights house, Hoffman Prairie, several museums around Dayton, and on Saturday night, they closed the museum except for the winners of this award.  We had the run of the place.  They served us dinner under the wing of the B-36.  It's one of those memories that is burned into my brain.  I took my dad back there last year for fathers day and we had a great time.  Here's a picture of him standing next to the B-36 Main Gear, a couple of pics I took of the B-58, and my favorite plane there, a skeleton F-86.  I really hate taking pictures there.

 

Rob Byrnes

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Posted by Sherman1111 on Monday, June 22, 2009 10:52 AM
your welcome, the lighting at the museum is dark and a lot is focused on the aircraft, but the buildinga are huge, a B-36 can pass through them and the roof is painted black. I used a cannon power shot A560 so my flash wasnt that big. I used to live in Dayton so I have been there numerous times over the years. if in the area I highly reccomend seeing this collection.
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Posted by Lancair IV on Monday, June 22, 2009 9:39 AM
Thanks Sherman111.  Those shots are great and will help me out.  What kind of camera did you use.  That place has terrible lighting for taking pictures.

Rob Byrnes

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, June 22, 2009 8:50 AM

Stupendous, Sherman -- thankyou so much! I have GOT to visit this museum! One of these days I will indeed be building some 58s, the Italeri 1:72 and the Monogram 1:48 (after fully rescribing the latter, a job so prepossessing that I'm thinking I might just keep a few parts around and scribe a line or two when I have time, and maybe in a year or two she'll be ready to assemble...)

Speaking of Hustlers, I posted an article about the Aurora, Lindberg and Italeri kits on my blog a few days ago, at the address below.

Cheers,

Mike

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Posted by Sherman1111 on Monday, June 22, 2009 8:38 AM

Wow go away for a week and look at all the progress, I was at the Airforce Museum at Wright Patterson AFB in Dayton oh. What a treat havent been there in a while. for all of you building B-58 here a few pictures.

hope this gives you some ideas

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Posted by vetteman42 on Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:21 PM

Thunderbolt379 Like your blog and the review, its come aways sence I was last there. I have found that Micro Foil Adhesive will clean up nicely with 91% alcohol, I didnt like the idea of cleaning it with paint thinner seemed to leave an oily film on my model that also needed cleaning up. I will start checking it more often now. Thanks for sharing it

 

 

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:19 PM

Hi Aggie and all,

Re foil adhesives, you might like to check out the product review of the Microscale Micro Metal Foil Adhesive I just posted to my blog, at the address below.

I'm very eager to go the paint route and see what Talon can do, I should be receiving my F-84 research book in a couple of weeks, and by then Squadron may have shipped the canopy masks. If it works as advertised I foresee a number of NMF builds in the near future.

Cheers,

Mike

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Posted by soulcrusher on Sunday, June 21, 2009 1:28 PM

Looking good so far Randy. That is definetly a tough subject to foil. I build the same kit a while back as an F-5 Recon Lightning. There are alot of seems to fill.

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Posted by vetteman42 on Sunday, June 21, 2009 1:10 PM

Thought I would post a few WIP pictures so you all would know I am working on the P-38. I spent most of yesterday foiling the Radiator housings on the booms, and let me tell ya I am happy I foiled them before attaching the booms to the wings. I also found as I suspected that this model is a heavy tail sitter so will be adding some lead to the nose and engine bays. Have loads of filling yet to do as you can see.

Thanks for looking and comments are welcome

 

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by vetteman42 on Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:28 AM

Aggieman I downloaded your pictures, blew them up and dont see much reason to pull what you have done so far, just a couple of oddly placed pieces of foil is all on the left side of the tail. The steel wool will take care of that for ya though. Oh and the steel wool doesnt really dull the shine in fact it increases the shine a bit. What it really does is if you look at the foil, the shiney side you will see a heavy grain in the foil, the steel wool hides that heavily grained look by removing it. The dull side doesnt have that heavy grain in it. The really cool thing I have found is turning the grain differant ways on differant panels,  as on real aircraft the grain of the aluminim runs in differant directions, by turning the grain of the foil in differant directions you can create the same look after burnishing with the steel wool. I found that trick by accident to be honest. I burnish with steel wool in the same direction all the time, with the air flow over the plane just easy to remember for me, thats where you get the look I am talking about on the pieces of foil with the grain in a differant direction. As far as removing what you have done to this point, as I said earlier I dont see any point in doing that as it would be a nightmare I think. I found that with the Micro Scale adhesive that I can remove it with in a few minutes of applying it with out much trouble, but once the glue has cured it has to be scraped or sanded off, then you have the glue residue to deal with. Hope this helps ya out Aggieman.

Have a great Fathers Day

 

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by Aggieman on Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:33 AM

Vetteman, I slept on this idea and have decided that I'm going to start over with my foiling.  I'm getting ready to place an order from Squadron for the Microscale stuff you mention.  Now the question is, is it easy to remove already applied foil?  What type of clean up am I getting ready to suffer through?

My reasoning for this decision is that when I look at my photos compared to others on this GB, I readily see issues with my work.  I think I should be following panel lines when applying the foil, and cutting foil to shape around panels rather than just putting the foil on however I feel like.  I've been burnishing the edges of the foil but those edges are still visible.  I've read that rubbing the foil with 0000 strength steel wool will help make those edges go away but will also reduce the shine, something I don't want to do for this build. 

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Posted by vetteman42 on Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:28 PM

Aggieman Ahhhh ok. Well I would suggest the Micro Scale Metal Foil Adhesive and you would be much happier. Its not expensive 3 bucks and change for a 1oz bottle that goes a long way, got mine a bit over a year ago and still have 2/3 of the bottle left after 3 builds, its kind of like white glue. Cleans up with water when wet and 91% alcohol when dry, and is dry in like I said 5 or 10 minutes. I apply a thin coat with a very soft 1/4 inch brush. I have used the BMF and found the strength about the same as aluminum foil and it seemed to stretch a little better but is way more expensive. Also with the Micro Scale adhesive I found I can apply it to either side of the foil with the same results allowing me to create both dull and shiney finishes. I have been seeing it in the LHS around here and Squadron carries it also. I am nowhere near the modeler most of you guys are so it has to be easy to use if I can get the results I do.

 

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by Aggieman on Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:52 PM
The hour recommendation is right off the product's instructions.  I believe it's called Mona Lisa gold leaf adhesive.
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Posted by vetteman42 on Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:59 PM

Aggieman WOW an hour for the adhesive to cure ?? What are you using, I use Micro Scale Micro Metal Foil Adhesive and only takes 5 to 10 minutes to dry on Reynolds Wrap. Sorry you are having so much trouble. Hey Aggie I hope you have a great vacation, enjoy and see you when you get back.

My trouble has been with the subject I choose for the build I spent most of today foiling the radiator housings on my P-38. Glad I decided to do them before mating the booms to the wing, would have been almost impossiable to foil them otherwise.

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by Aggieman on Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:26 PM

Some really fine work going on here!

Foiling an aircraft .... I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall while trying to run in quicksand.  I've made progress but still can't see the light at the end of the tunnel.  I've completed about 2/3 of the fuselage and have started covering the wings and engines.  I think the most frustrating thing is that I'm using regular house hold foil rather than BMF, so I have to apply the cement and then sit doing other things while the cement dries to a clear glaze.  Takes about an hour or so.  I've read that BMF comes ready to apply and is actually stronger than regular house hold foil.

But I'm committed to my current course.  No additional photos at the moment, but I will be AWOL for the next couple of weeks as we are getting ready to head out next Saturday on our summer vacation.  Actually that'll probably do me a lot of good in getting me away from the frustration I'm finding at my bench.

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Posted by vetteman42 on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:11 PM

Soulcrusher WOW!!! THAT LOOKS AWESOME!!! Cant, just cant wait to see it finished. Very nice work. Do you apply a sealer of some sort for weathering and such ?

I gotta talk with that Hawkeye guy about getting some of that stuff. It doesnt look grainy at all. I wonder how it would work with raised detail, I am not too sure the foil will work on the P-38, had to do a bunch of filling and dont know if it will stick to the puddy around the radiator intakes.

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:45 PM

Hi SC -- WOW! Now you've got me excited for all the same reasons! I bought the same paint and polish last month but haven't had a chance to get to them yet. The finish is very attractive indeed and it sounds pretty straight forward to use. Oh, I can SO see that AMT YB-49 in this stuff! And that Monogram RB-36H, and, well, you get the picture! I have a Hasegawa B-47E en route after an eBay win, and while she's an old kit that will need rescribing (so's the B-36), this paint should produce a fantastic finish!

Can't wait to see her done!

Cheers,

Mike

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Posted by soulcrusher on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:32 PM

Ok here is the Ha-1112 with a coat of Talon alluminun paint polished with the Talon alluminum polishing powder. I gotta tell you guys I like this stuff. Now the Academy kit is no show winner and I was now trying to sow a silk purse from a sow's ear here but the results look very promising. I managed to have a couple of scratches show through the paint and I accidently pressed the nail from my thumb down agianst the cowl when I was buffing which left a faint line in the paint. These paints come already thinned for airbrushing but they are thinned a little bit more than I usally thin my paints. Therfore I layed down a bit to much paint probally. I sprayed them at about 30 psi. I think lowering it to25 psi would yield even better results. I am really excited now that I have learned the basics of using the Talon acrylics I want to tackle all of those kits that have been sittingin the stash forever because I was not confident about spraying the NMF. I hightly recomend this stuff. It was very easy to spray, no fumes and a snap to clean up. Polishing it is no harder than polishing your silverware for Xmas dinner!

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Posted by vetteman42 on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:16 PM

Soulcrusher Thanks I have been wanting to see what this kit looked like, nice looking airframe and doesnt look like a bad kit either. I may hafta see if I can find one of these. You have a good start going Big Smile [:D] hope you can post more soon.

I finally got to sit down for most of the day and work on my builds, the P-38 for this group and a P-61 for the P-61 group. I think I must be mad at me for working on both these kits at the same time. Loads of fit troubles and seems like never ending filling and sanding an filling an san.......... well you get the picture. Just may have to do an easy one for my next build, I do have a couple of nice Tamiya kits in the closet. Hopefully I will get the booms on the P-38 and have a few pics Thursday

 

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by soulcrusher on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:45 PM

Ok Randy here you go. All of the silver spots are all of the places that needed putty and sanding. Tonight I am going to do the final sanding on the seams and lay down a primer coat to see if I got all of the seams.

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Posted by vetteman42 on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:56 PM

Lancair IV Nice work on that engine ! That Hustler does look to be very large ya think you may hafta go get another roll of Reynolds Wrap ? Or maybe two of them ? <evil grin>

Soulcrusher You have any pictures yet ?? cant wait to see some of your build

 

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by smokinguns3 on Monday, June 15, 2009 10:13 PM
well where off to a good start. they all look good so far.
Rob I think i can I think i can
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