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70th Anniversary Battle of Britain GB - 2010

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Posted by Julez72 on Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:32 AM

Thanks Mo, i'm looking forward to getting her in the paintshop, i'm starting my next 190 but i'll just play with that and commit most of my time on this one...Hope to have it done in 3 or weeksYes

 

 

 

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Posted by Mobious on Tuesday, November 2, 2010 4:18 AM

Julez, the pit looks awesome. The 110 is looking great. Yes Looking forward to seeing updates, keep us posted on progress!

Mo

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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Posted by Julez72 on Monday, November 1, 2010 11:23 PM

WOW, heaps of action happening in hereStick out tongue I havn't been all that active in this GB and i apologise for that, work has resumed on Eduards zestorer but i'll be pushing my luck getting it done on time but it will get doneYes

Mo, your Emil is a first class peice of work, very well done sir she looks awesomeYesYesYes

GZT, the Hurricane is looking really very niceYes I have to do one of those myself oneday...

Karl, As always buddy great work, can't wait to see her all done and dressedToast

Hugh, lovely build mate, thats another on my to do list, maybe next year...2011 is going to be a bomber year for me i thinkYesYesYes

Dermo,  very nice triple build, i particulary like the figures on the 109, they look very natural and i'm strangely attracted to the Defiant, they may have been found wanting in the day fighter role but it still looks deadlyYesYesYes

Now for me, sorry for adding more pics to the page but here's how far along i am with the Eduard 1.48 BF110c..

first the pit and fues halves joined..

Next up is where i started having fit issues, the wings just don't fit, AT ALL...

I had to do some surgery to eliminate the huge gaps but i managed to get them on with no filler by joining each half individually....The engine nacelles also presented some problems which stemmed from the firewall/bulkhead thingy that seperates the engine bay from the main gear bays, i had to remove about 1mm of it to get the nacelles on and that left a gap which had to be filled...

Here is where it sits at the moment..

next up, gunbay...I will be leaving this open on the finished model...

Cheers JulezToast

 

 

 

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Posted by Mobious on Monday, November 1, 2010 7:34 PM

Great looking Do 17, Clebode. Hats off to you for working in 1/72 and working with PE!Yes

 Dermo, Awesome lineup and a nice historical narrative. I specially like the 109 and crew, Nice work!Yes

Mo

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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Posted by gzt on Monday, November 1, 2010 5:08 AM

NICE work guys !!!

Absolutely gorgeous builds. I like the action going on with 109 :) I have to speed up with my builds.

Flying is a thrill #2 known to mankind. Landing is #1.

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Posted by Clebode on Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:10 PM

Dermot---Fantastic trifecta!!!!!     I especially like the Spit with the gear going up.  Very dynamic presentation.    I'll have to try that approach some day.  GBs are great for getting ideas like that.  Thanks for sharing.

Hugh

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Posted by Dermo on Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:00 PM

Mobious – Great Emil!

GZT – lovely work so far on the Hurri

Karl – STU-pendous Stuka!

Clebode – very nice job on the Dornier, don’t see many of those

Apart from the 110 which is still on the bench, I'm calling "done" on my others in this great Group Build. Quick refresh - all are 1/72 by Airfix and built mostly OOB, brush painted with Revell Acrylics, with some minor added extras - Falcon Clearvax canopy and aftermarket decals (courtesy of Colin @ IPMS UK Decal Bank) on the Spitfire; Hasegawa decals, Falcon canopy and Revell figures on the 109. The Defiant was the biggest project, getting a new nose courtesy of a Revell Hurricane Mk1 but otherwise OOB. Have also added some brief biogs on each aircraft for those interested, courtesy of "The Most Dangerous Enemy" (by Stephen Bungay) & "Fighter Boys" (by Patrick Bishop).

First, the Bf109 in the markings I./JG 2 “Richtofen” flown by Major Helmut Wick.

At 1530 on 28 November 1940, Wick led his Stabschwarm back out over his favourite hunting ground over the Needles. Just after he had taken off, a signal arrived at Headquarters. Major Wick was to be grounded with immediate effect as he was too valuable a pilot to be risked in combat. That morning’s Berlin weekly newspaper featured a picture of a smiling Wick with Hermann Goering, Head of the Luftwaffe visiting his old unit, Richtofen Geschadwer.

South west of the Isle of Wight, Wick and his wingman, Rudi Pflanz met some Spitfires from 152 and 609 Squadrons climbing to meet them. Wick and his flight dived on them and Wick shot down Paul Ballion who had only just joined the Squadron. Wick followed it down to make sure of the kill. It was 1613 and he was now the top-scoring German ace with 56 kills. Just at that moment, over the R/T was heard the voice of John Dundas “I’ve finished a 109. Whoopee!”. “Good Show John” replied his Squadron Leader, Michael Robinson.

Rudi Pflanz saw Wick get hit and bail out. Just as his attacking Spitfire turned away, Pflanz got it in his sights and sent it into the Channel as well. No trace of either Wick or Dundas, or their planes were ever found.

Next, the Boulton Paul Defiant in the markings of 141 Squadron.

The Defiant was effectively the RAF’s version of a “Zerstorer” or heavy fighter and was designed, according to an Air Staff memo of 1938 for "the destruction of opposing fighters...for these purposes, it requires an armament that can be used defensively as well as offensively in order to enable it to penetrate into enemy territory and withdraw at will. The fixed-gun fighter cannot do this".

The concept seemed like a good idea, especially for shooting down bombers and Churchill briefly flirted with the idea that turret fighters were best. In 1938, the Deputy Chief of the Air Staff ordered nine squadrons to be formed, and 450 aircraft were ordered. Hugh Dowding, Commander in Chief of Fighter Command resisted and when the battle opened, only 2 squadrons were equipped with Defiants 141 and 264. It had no fixed forward armament and instead had an electrically powered turret armed with four Browning machine guns and a crew of two. Its top speed was just over 300mph.

On the morning of 19 July, Defiants of 141 Squadron were moved forward to Hawkinge. The crews of 141 had never been in combat before having only arrived in the South of England the previous week. At 12.30pm, 12 aircraft were ordered to patrol just shout of Folkestone – three remained behind with mechanical trouble. There was no warning from their controllers when 15 minutes later, 109’s from Richtofen Geschwader dived from the sun to attack. Four Defiants fell in the first pass. The gunners,clamped into their claustrophobic turrets went down with their aircraft. One pilot baled out and was rescued. A fifth Defiant was shot down minutes later – the gunner baled out and was wounded, the pilot was killed.

Four of the nine aircraft made it back to Hawkinge – of those, two were damaged and one was beyond repair. In the space of less than 15 minutes, the new squadron lost seven aircraft and 12 pilots and gunners. What was left of the squadron was sent back to Scotland two days later.

Defiants of 264 Squadron remained in the maelstrom that was the South East of England until 28th August, when 264 Squadron were bounced by 109s led by Adolf Galland of III Gruppe, JG26. Three were shot down in as many minutes, one crash landed and two limped home. The five remaining serviceable aircraft transferred out that day to 12 Group in Lincolnshire.

Finally, the Supermarine Spitfire in the markings of RAF 65 Squadron, flown by Brendan Finucane.

Born and raised in Ireland, Brendan Finucane DSO, DFC & Two Bars was better known as Paddy Finucane and joined the RAF in May 1938. After flying training and conversion to the Spitfire, he was posted as a Pilot Officer to 65 Squadron at RAF Hornchurch in 1940. Finucane claimed his first victory in the Battle of Britain on 12 August 1940, a Bf 109. No. 65 Squadron was rested at the end of August 1940 and did not return to 11 Group until November. Flying from RAF Tangmere, by year's end, Finucane had claimed four Bf 109s and a Bf 110.

Finucane became the youngest Wing Commander in the RAF on 27 June 1942, leading the Hornchurch Wing and was killed on 15 July 1942, when returning from a fighter sweep over France. His aircraft was hit in the radiator by ground fire and too low to bale out, he prepared for a landing in the Channel. Over the R/T before he hit the sea in a curtain of spray, his fellow pilots hear “This is it chaps”. Neither Finucane or his Spitfire were ever found. At the time of his death, he had claimed a total of 26 aircraft destroyed, six shared destroyed and eight probables. Brendan Finucane, survivor of the Battle of Britain, was aged 21.

Thanks to you all for your support on what's been a great GB and to Darson for organising!

Remembering the Few..

Best wishes,

Dermot

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Clebode on Saturday, October 30, 2010 7:13 PM

Karl---Excellent scratchbuilding of the various bits and pieces.  Can't wait to see it with paint.

Mobius---Beautiful 109!!! 

Well I have almost finished the crude little 1:72 Do-17Z.  It has a PE cockpit but you can't see much as the clear parts were very thick.  I did add resin weapons as the kit guns looked like sticks.  Its not my best but it looks okay from 3 feet. 

Hugh

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Posted by lewbud on Saturday, October 30, 2010 2:35 PM

Karl, nice work on the big Stuka so far.  Looking forward to more.

Waiting on Squadron to ship me my canopy mask, then I'll be finished with the E-3.  Also ordered Xtradecals Battle of Britain set to go with the Ju 88 and Ju 87 I picked up at auction last week.

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Posted by Mobious on Saturday, October 30, 2010 10:25 AM

 Wow Karl, the Stuka is looking great! Looking forward to seeing updates.

 Mo

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Posted by KJ200 on Friday, October 29, 2010 5:58 PM

Konig, great job on the Emil.

The mottling looks excellent, and the yellow nose looks stunning.

Dermo, hats off to you for tackling the Airfix Defiant, and doing it so well.

Looking forward to how the 110 turns out.

Mobius, sweet looking E!

GZT, which Hurricane kit is that your building?

Well the big Stuka is now ready for primer, I won't say paint, as will definitely need some fettling to sort out a few rough spots.

Here it is masked ready for primer..

The pitot tube is from brass tubing, but I may need to trim it as it looks a little long.

You get some idea of the size of this kit in this pic.

As you can tell from the previous pics, I've had to use quite a lot of filler in this build, which is probably more down to me than the kit!

The spinner was too small at the rear where it meets the fuselage, so I wrapped it in plastic strip secured with CA, and then sanded smooth.

I also split the flaps & ailerons as the fit was less than stellar.

The white bits are some bits of tubing to represent the control horns, but need trimming to the correct length.

I also scratched up some basic underwing bomb racks, as the ones in the kit are pants.

These need a bit more work before I can call them done, but they're a start.

The oil cooler vent has also been replaced by a scratch built example.

The landing light also came in for some attention, mainly as it just didn't fit, so I trimmed it down and drilled it out to represent the reflector.

Final items to be dealt with were the steps which sit behind and below the wings, and which the kit completely ignores.

These were simply made up from aluminium tubing and brass wire filed to shape.

Tomorrow she gets a coat of primer.

Karl

 

 

 

 

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Posted by gzt on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:30 PM

I just found interesting pictures ...

insignias of 302 Squadron

insignias of 303 Squadron

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Posted by Mobious on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:25 PM

B17pilot, Gamera Thanks for the comments. I did end up replacing the canopy with the kit parts and they fit much better with no fuss.

 I'll try to get completed pics up this weekend

 Thanks again.

Mo

   

 

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gzt
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Posted by gzt on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:37 PM

Finally I moved a bit my RFoF project.

Sanding is almost done ....

 

 

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Posted by B17Pilot on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:07 AM

Gamera

Hey wow Mobious she looks beautiful!

All that masking must have been a pain and great job on the ink spot camo. And I really like how you got the slightly faded look on the yellow nose and tail.

Ditto  A very good looking 109!

  

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:57 AM

Hey wow Mobious she looks beautiful!

All that masking must have been a pain and great job on the ink spot camo. And I really like how you got the slightly faded look on the yellow nose and tail.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Mobious on Monday, October 25, 2010 9:20 PM

 Dermo, The Defiant IS an unusual subject, and thanks for posting progress shots. Both have very nicely detailed paint work! Looking forward to seeing updates.

 Andrew, A nice Bf109, sorry to read about your trouble with Future and Micro-Sol. I've been using that combination now for a couple of years.

 Darson, my appologies for a late start. I had planned on building the DML 110, but alot has happened this year mostly for the good. I decided to try to get a complete on pg1 by building Tamiya's 109E. I've got paint down and finish coat on. The canopy is a vacu piece that I need to work the fit on abit more to get it tighter, or just use the kit canopy. I tried something alittle different on the finish. I wanted a low sheen rather than flat finish, so I tried buffing the dullcoat just abit to get a dull luster. Here's the results

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 I still have to add the fiddley bits, MG's, set the landing gear(they're not cemeted yet) and fix that canopy.Hope I can count this one when finished as a complete on Pg 1, if not I'll need an Extreme extension in order to complete the DML 110.

 Thanks for looking,

 Mo

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Posted by sidure on Monday, October 25, 2010 2:14 PM

Hey Dermot, great looking defiant and 110, you did a great job on both and especially a great job on the defiant. I have built that kit a few times and know what your working with

Steve

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Posted by B17Pilot on Monday, October 25, 2010 1:32 PM

Gamera

Dermo: Sharp looking Defiant and Me110. I esp love the Defiant, she looks great even after all the problems you had with the kit.

Ditto

  

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, October 25, 2010 9:48 AM

Great work guys!

Lewbud: She's coming along nicely, great work on that darn hard to apply ink sploch camo.

Karl: Great work on the Ju-87 too, I esp like all the extra work you put into the cockpit.

Andrew: Great work on your Bf109. Sorry to hear about your problems, I've never seen clear coats get eaten though like that, still I've had something work one way for 99 models and then on number 100 have it go all wrong. No idea other than 'Murphy's Law' why stuff like that happens. Still great looking model!

Dermo: Sharp looking Defiant and Me110. I esp love the Defiant, she looks great even after all the problems you had with the kit.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, October 25, 2010 8:18 AM

Thanks for the information.  It was very helpful.  I have the xtradecal sheet on order now, so I'll look to picking up the MPM kit.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Dermo on Sunday, October 24, 2010 5:11 PM

Thanks for your kind words! To be honest, the Defiant has really tested my abilities and I'm just glad that it's almost over.

Unless you're on a major nostalgia trip, I would give the Airifx Defiant a very, very, VERY wide berth. It's so inaccurate when compared to the plans, you would wonder what they were smoking in the Airfix design studio that day - the nose, tail, rear deck, ailerons, undercarriage are all waaaay off. The canopy and turret seem to be made from chips off the bottom of a beer glass. The interior detail is......zero, apart from two moulding stubs that the pilots' seat rests on.

I've read good things about the MPM kits and it's definitely not the Airfix one re-boxed, trust me! While the MPM kits apparently have some small build issues,  these are minor in comparison to what Airfix offers on this one - the MPM is definitely the way to go if I was to build one again. You can see some of the differences between each kit on the build below.

http://gregers.7.forumer.com/a/posts.php?topic=12780&start=0

The only reason I bought mine was that I'm in an Airfix GB for the Battle of Britain so that ruled out the MPM kit.

Hope this helps!

Best wishes,

Dermot

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:07 PM

Nice looking planes, Dermot.  Great accomplishment especially on the Defiant. 

I'm planning on picking up the1/72  xtradecal sheet for BoB RAF planes, and it includes markings for a Defiant.  I noticed that a company called MPM also produces the plane.  I'm wondering if this is the Airfix reboxed--or is it a different molding?  Hannant's from the UK has it in several configurations.  There doesn't seem to be anything positive to say about the Airfix offering.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Dermo on Friday, October 22, 2010 6:30 PM

Nice work there Andrew and you've patience is paying off with a nice build!

Some more updates pics on two other builds I'm tackling for this GB, the Airfix Defiant and Bf110. The Defiant got a replacement nose courtesy of a surplus Revell Hurricane I had but otherwise (!) is OOB. This has been a bear of a build and the fit/accuracy/detail of this kit is a shocker. I'd say i've put two-builds worth of hours into it. Retire it please Airfix!!

The Bf110 is the Airfix new tool and is lovely in comparison. I know the panel lines are heavy but the overall fit is nice and it's light years ahead of the Defiant or any older 110 kits in 1/72.

And both of these "heavy fighters" together..

Just got some paint touch ups, coats of Future, decals and weathering to go - on the home stretch!

Thanks for looking and enjoy your modelling.

Dermot

 

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Thursday, October 21, 2010 5:40 PM

You have a very nice looking Messerschmitt there, Andrew.  It's distressing to hear about the problems, though.  It does seem that there is often something to go wrong, right up to the very last step in completing things.  Nevertheless, your persistence is admirable.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Konigwolf13 on Thursday, October 21, 2010 5:29 AM

Angry Well Like it or not thats me finished, my build had an accident with my 3 y/o giving it a rather bad landing and the landing gear into no fewer than 1/2 dozen pieces. What ticks me off most is I was 98% done just about to finish the panel lines.

I'll give a run down of where I was up...

All major painting done a coat of future

Now here things get frustrating...

After woint a day or so after applying the future I start the decals, rather thick, what I would expect from academy not tamiya. Ok I figure a touch of micro sol will sort things right.  WTF, the micro sol is eating right through the future and paint  Huh?

After having enough of the b grade decals dot going down without help from microsol that I cant use I skip the tiny ones to maybe comeback to at the end.

 I give it a coat of Gunze clear flat (acryl) and tend to the weathering. My first ever go at exhaust stains and not to bad a job, add in the machine gun smoke. (photo taken before machine smoke)

 Test a cotton bud with mineral turps on the edge of the wing. Again lifts off under coats that should be ok Hmm, hinky or what. Ok this morning I give a coat of Humbrol Satin Cote, wait six hours second coat. about 5 hours after that my daughter has fun with it :(

But now the really hinky is about 8 hours after the second coat, a cotton bud dipped in methylated spirits (alcohol) brings off the

Satin coat Hmm

Acryl flat - Yes

Future - Yes or no?

Acryl Paint Yes

Humbrol enamel primer undercoat WTF Hmm is wrong here????? alcohol brings off enamel primer with a slight rub????

The is in the serious hinky basket

Oh well that me done I got it completed other that than a wash and I would of been content to leave it a pre-wash stage.

Andrew

 

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Posted by KJ200 on Tuesday, October 19, 2010 4:03 PM

Lew, nice paint job on the Emil.Yes

Thanks for the comments guys.

Managed to finish painting the pit at the weekend...

The seat belts are spares from the Trumpy 262, so probably not quite right for a Stuka, but close enough for me.

I added a couple of placard decals to the radio, as all German equipment appears to have them.

The placards came from the MDC PE bezels set, with the dial decals going on nicely to the reworked IP.

And here it is with everything in place...

And then the fuselage went together....

....and as the filler makes clear none too well.

The wings needed a little help too...

...and the slot for the bomb to clip into had to be plugged with plastic card as well.

All the wing gaps were plugged with micro strip soaked in solvent to bed them in.

And now everything is setting up on the bench with another coat of filler.

Karl

 

 

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Posted by B17Pilot on Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:48 AM

Julez72

Karl, Your big Stuka is coming along nicely, looking forward to some more updates

Ditto looking good so far

  

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Posted by Julez72 on Saturday, October 16, 2010 5:20 AM

Lewbud, Yeah german camo never seems to be uniform does it, i only asked because it looks very similiar to one i did but mine was JG 52....

 

 

 

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Posted by lewbud on Saturday, October 16, 2010 2:57 AM

Julez,

Thanks for the compliment.  Not JG26, but JG51.  Regarding the green stripe width on the nose, I have no idea.  I'm just following the paint scheme on the box and that's how it is.  Although looking at the artwork on the front of the box, it is wider than what appears on the back of the box (which is what I'm following).  As I said earlier, German a/c aren't really my thing, just got this for a personal BoB build and this GB happened along.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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