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60th Anniversary Korean War Group Build- extended for the duration

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:40 AM

Hi everyone .

I've been quite busy on the home front these past couple of weeks , so there hasn't been all that much activity on the work bench .

I have started masking a Hasegawa F9F-2 Panther , Academy's PB-1W (2nd build) and two Mach 2 S-51/H03S-1 Dragonfly's . The Panther and S-51's are re-do's , as I didn't like my painting efforts the first two times . Speaking of Mach 2 kits , which I seem to have a liking for , despite the enormous amount of work required to get the parts to fit together properly ; I was wondering if the PB2Y Coronado saw service in the Korean War . I'm tempted to buy the Mach 2 kit as I think it would make a nice companion for the PBM-5 Mariner and I was browsing your web site Andy and saw a brief mention of the PB2Y flying boat .

The Mach 2 P6M Sea Master flying boat has a nicer visual appeal to it but I kinda like the look of the almost slab side /wing appearance of the PB2Y . Anyway I had a very quick look on google for some info on the Consolidated PB2-Y Coronado and as yet haven't seen any pic's of one in the Korean conflict ; Does anyone have any additional info ?

ANZAC Day here tomorrow , much like Veteran's Day there in the U.S ;

I respectfully salute our Diggers past and present .

John .

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Posted by the_draken on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:39 AM

Well, I've given up on the Privateer for the moment.  I'm at a stoping place similar to the Firefly.  I got myself painted into a metaphorical corner; I've lost one of the clear plastic upper turrets (unusable because they don't fit over the pilot and guns together without modification) and was going to install the Squadron vacform units when I realized that you have to have the BASE of the original part for the Squadron part.  This has caused me issue...

I have no idea what will go on the bench next, but it needs to be a 'big-one' so that I have less crap to cart home in September when I retreat to the States.

Invaders?  Sunderland?  Mariner?  Landing craft?  SB-17?

I may throw together a jeep or resin ground unit in the meantime, just for something to do.  Would like to make another 'quick build' like a truck or something, maybe a halftrack and my towed quad .50 cal.  We'll see what we see in the meantime.  I'm really sorry that I've bailed on two projects in a row.  But I really need to get moving on building some kits rather than staring at half built stuff laying on my desk for the next five months.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:24 PM

stikpusher

 

 Krakan:

 

I'm almost finished with an F86 Sabre in NMF.I'll post pictures of it when I'm finished.

I'm also about to start the USS WISCONSIN from the Korean War,in honor of my grandpa's service In Korea.

 

 

Looking forward to the F-86 pics. And an outstanding to you for the upcoming USS Wisconsin Yes

Sounds pretty darn cool Krakan!

When I visited the Wisconsin the guild told us about after a shore bombardment in Korea a N. Korean artillery gun located on a small island off the coast opened up on her at close range. They missed most of the shots but finally ranged in and hit the battleship once or twice. But by that time the 'Whiskey' had come around and lined up her guns and her captain told the gunners to open up with everything. Which as the guild put it took off about the top ten feet of the island. The captain of an escorting destroyer sent the message - 'Temper, temper...' Wink

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:11 PM

Krakan

I'm almost finished with an F86 Sabre in NMF.I'll post pictures of it when I'm finished.

I'm also about to start the USS WISCONSIN from the Korean War,in honor of my grandpa's service In Korea.

Looking forward to the F-86 pics. And an outstanding to you for the upcoming USS Wisconsin Yes

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by the_draken on Monday, April 16, 2012 11:00 PM

WOOHOO!  Way to go Krakan!Yes

 

We're finally going to be getting some Haze Grey besides the landing craft.  Can't wait to see that Wisconsin.  Big Smile

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Posted by Krakan on Monday, April 16, 2012 10:02 PM

I'm almost finished with an F86 Sabre in NMF.I'll post pictures of it when I'm finished.

I'm also about to start the USS WISCONSIN from the KoreanWar,in honor of my grandpa's service In Korea.

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Posted by Ghostrider114 on Sunday, April 15, 2012 12:05 PM

yeah, I figured it would make painting and decaling easier if I kept it apart until it was done, the wings fit pretty snugly into the bottom of the fuselage, so it shouldn't cause any extra trouble.

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, April 13, 2012 8:59 AM

Ghostrider: Looking good! Are you building the a/c in sections?

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Ghostrider114 on Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:54 PM

Now that I finally got the painting finished, I've started putting decals on my sabre, starting with the USAF markings on the bottom of the wings.

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, April 7, 2012 7:41 PM

Great job on the B-29 Draken Andy! I loaded the nose of mine with lead to get her to sit on her wheels, so much I'm still a little leery of them breaking under the load.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, April 7, 2012 2:02 PM

OK Draken, I took #4 of these much better pics to replace the original one on the roster and posted it on the finished builds. And let me explain my reasons for my choice: 1) full aircraft in view; and 2) no distractions like the clamp in the view. #2 would have been my top choice if the wing tip was not been cut off and the alligator clamp was concealed. I like the lower angle  3/4 view which better shows the lower side night camo and the excellent view of the lady on the nose Wink

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by the_draken on Saturday, April 7, 2012 7:20 AM

Heya Stik!H

Here's some new pics of the Academy "Korean War" B-29 bomber kit.  If you want to replace the pic that 's on the front page you're welcome to, if not then no big deal!   I had to bring the kit into the classroom and figured that new photos might be useful.  On the way in I only lost three gun barrels and was able to replace one of them.  I have no clue what happened to the 20mm on the tail barbette.

 

IMHO, if you choose to replace the pic on the front page, then use either pic three or five.  They seem to be the best of the lot.

 

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Andy Hill (the_draken) landrew.hill(at)live.com <*> ASE Master Auto Tech, Imaca certified.  >^.^<

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, April 5, 2012 7:54 PM

Great job on the Connie Draken Andy Yes

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by the_draken on Thursday, April 5, 2012 6:27 PM

I'd read about them being used in theater on more than one website.  But the icing on the cake was when someone posted a slew (or a link?) of KW black and white pictures.  I remember mentioning that one of them showed a USAF Catalina in the background. 

Here's a couple of quick google search links that I found...

http://www.korean-war.com/KWAircraft/US/USAF/consolidated_oa10.html

http://www.korean-war.com/KWAircraft/index.html

And I guess that I've been marking it wrong!  It's the OA-10 Catalina.  Gee, I bet that doesn't get half confusing when talking about Warthogs...

I'l  be taking new pictures of the B-29 Superfortress so that you can remove the nasty out of focus cluttered one from the front page.  As you all know, it was completed long ago but the picture's kinda nasty.  I hope to be able to do it justice later today when the sun's at the right angle.

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Andy Hill (the_draken) landrew.hill(at)live.com <*> ASE Master Auto Tech, Imaca certified.  >^.^<

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 5, 2012 4:16 PM

I dont know where you find the time to do all those builds Draken. I really like the Connie of the three latest  projects. All have been added to the front page. What info do you have on Catalina's in Korea? I am suprised that those were not replaced by the Albatross by then.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Thursday, April 5, 2012 3:52 PM

I'm just blown away with the amount of work you get done Andy .

The Catalina build is awesome as is the P2V-4 Neptune ;

The MATS C-121 Constellation is the iceing on the cake and I admire your courage for attempting the crowded bus ride with the aircraft in one hand and the bus ticket in the other . Great idea about leaving the gear doors and other small pieces off for the trip , if something was to break off I suppose there wouldn't be much chance off finding it .

Three great builds Andy , well done Sir ...Toast

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Posted by the_draken on Thursday, April 5, 2012 7:36 AM

Here's the one that I'd finished a while back and was waiting until spring to bring to work.  Unfortunately, I now longer have a ride to work, and must take everything with me on a VERY crowded bus.  Nothing's broken yet!  Thank goodness!  I've been smart on the Connie and Neptune (unnecessary on the Cataline) by not installing gear doors or 'fidly teeny bits' that might get broken off on the ride to work.  So today I spent about twenty minutes installing aerials, pitots, and gear doors before I shot these photos of the Connie.

My personal preference for pics would be either #3 or #4, with #5 as a last resort.  The first and second pics just don't look right to me.  But you can take whichever ones you want, Stik!

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:59 AM

Draken Andy: Great work on those! Yes

Caribou John: Not sure I'd have to guts to try to open the hatch like that, but she's looking good so far. Cool

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by the_draken on Wednesday, April 4, 2012 6:33 AM

Okay, so I've decided to put the Firefly in the box until maybe as far away as getting home in September.  I'm just more disgusted with myself than anything else.  In the meantime, I'm going to be looking at the pair of B-26's (B and C), the PB4Y-2 (with open bomb bay), or the Sunderland.

And here's the finished pics of the Catalina and the Neptune!  Take your pic which pic you want Stic...  Big Smile

That about does it!

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Posted by the_draken on Saturday, March 31, 2012 12:14 PM

So, I'm going for a smaller kit this time around, something colourful.  I pulled the Special Hobby Fairey Firefly out of the stash.  LOTS of cool resin and stuff.  I immediately found one problem, somewhere along the way I wound up with two resin blocks of gun port blanks.  And only three of four rocket launchers and three of four bomb shackles.  Considering it doesn't have any weapons, I decided to scrounge in the spares box and found four rockets and launchers from something else that are gonna work just fine.

I've shot 'sky' on the bottom parts, finished painting and building the cockpit, installed the cockpit and tail wheel bay, installed the main gear wells and oil coolers into the wings.  Decide to test fit and realized that I'd never cut off the pour stubs for the gear bays and cockpit...

I have no idea what to do at this point, everything is glued in with CA.  I'm planning to cut cross hatches in the gear well stubs, then use my rotary tool with sanding drums on those and the section of the cockpit stub that interferes.

DANGIT!  Angry  Everything was going so well...

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Andy Hill (the_draken) landrew.hill(at)live.com <*> ASE Master Auto Tech, Imaca certified.  >^.^<

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Saturday, March 31, 2012 2:02 AM

OMG , Andy !!!

That's incredible , I'm just blown away with you efforts on the Catalina .

These next progress of mine are quite embarrassing compared to what you have just posted ;

I cut open the side cargo door on the first C-54 build ,

I'm only able to get a small floor section in ,

It should work okay but I have decided to swap C-54 builds around and use the second build with the full length cabin floor for the Korean War and the short floor C-54 for the Thunderbirds .

I also blew the cob-webs and dust of the C-46 Commando and started trimming the Squadron vacform canopy to size

The canopy is really flexible and a little difficult to file with a sanding stick , hopefully it will work out okay .

Sorry for the lame progress pic's , especially after Andy's awesome Catalina build . I better pull my socks up .

John .

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Posted by the_draken on Saturday, March 31, 2012 1:46 AM

I you liked the Neptune, you'll like this one, too!  I decided to do a QUICK BUIILD!  In less than 24 hours I started and completed my Airfix PBY-5 Catalina as a USAF OA-5.  I decided that the Catalina would be really easy since you can to it in two sections; the fuselage and the wing, then mate and finish.  So, while I was waiting for the decals to set on the Neptune, I pulled this baby off!  Another issue which helped me finish in such a short time is lack of interior detail.  First off, I buttoned up the 'hip' guns, negating the painting and installation of the figures and guns.  Second, I was missing a seat and both control columns for the cockpit.  Yep, those got left out, too.  BTW, there's nearly a pound of lead in the nose of this thing.  SERIOUSLY tail heavy!  I did at least add the ladder as a secondary support.  The gun turret up front does rotate and the gun does elevate.  The decals are cobbled together from spares left over after the Connie and some spare decals from an old HU-16 kit and extras from my new sheet for my future HU-16 kit.

Once I get it into the classroom I'll have better pics of it.  So don't bother to post any of these, Stik.  Just look at them and wonder where I get all the methampheta...  ENERGY! to do all of this.  Just kidding, no drugs were used by me during any of this group build. 

Smile

 

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Andy Hill (the_draken) landrew.hill(at)live.com <*> ASE Master Auto Tech, Imaca certified.  >^.^<

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Saturday, March 31, 2012 12:39 AM

Nicely done Andy Yes

And extra points for puting a suitable bathing suit on the young lady as well .

looking forward to the finish pic's and the nose guns look okay too .

Great stuff buddy .

John .

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Posted by the_draken on Friday, March 30, 2012 10:01 PM

THE NEPTUNE IS DONE!!!  YesBig SmileYes

Here's some pre-decal photos and the finished product.  Hey Stik, don't put these pics up, I'll have better ones from the class room next week.

 

 

And now on to the finished product.  I had to combine decals from various sources and still had to come up with something that's not really close to what I wanted.  I really needed some more white number threes.  It should have some large #3's on the wing tanks.  The nose art is actually from the Williams Bros. C-46, but I thought the kit looked really boring and needed some color.  In retrospect, I should've gone with a dark green for her swim suit and done it as a bikini.  Either way, it needed a swim suit, I mean, this IS going into an elementary school room!  I also touched up her lipstick and hair.  Looks better as a ginger, even without having a soul...  I also didn't know if they used the walkway stripes or not, but thought it looked better with just that much ore colour.  I did tint the upper panels of the cockpit.  This is a really easy thing to do:  Use Testors' metallic green (or whatever you want) and DO NOT MIX IT!  Just use the colored carrier agent and paint it on the clear plastic.  It takes four or more layers, but looks AWESOME!

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Andy Hill (the_draken) landrew.hill(at)live.com <*> ASE Master Auto Tech, Imaca certified.  >^.^<

PADI OWSI Certified, BA Poli Sci (NDSU), BS Secondary ED-Social Studies MSUM (Sigma *** Laude)

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:21 PM

SP: I didn't even know about the aluminum pallets - interesting you learn something new every day. Toast

 

John: Nice looking job on the C-119.

BTW: DB Cooper says open the cargo door.... Stick out tongue

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:25 PM

Stik , great reference pic's with the C-119 and the type of pallets used , also that link you posted for the history of the C-119 is awesome  Yes

I'm happy with how the wings fitted to my C-119 build ,

I've dry fitted the canopy in place and it fits really well ,

You can aslo see the error with the way italeri position that table behind the pilots and how it sits above the window sill . It's not all that noticeable but I fixed the error on my second C-119 build .

On another note , I'm in two minds as what to do with my C-54 build . I have those really nice MATS decals for a Korean War Skymaster but when I built the kit initially I chickened out on cutting open the cargo door on the rear fuselage . I did do it on a recent second C-54 build as a Thunderbirds Support Aircraft and it worked out okay . So now I'm thinking either do I cut the cargo door open on the first build and try and slide in segmented pieces of flooring as it would be impossible to get a single piece in or do I just swap builds around and leave the cargo door closed for the Thunderbirds support C-54 aircraft ?

It's awefully tempting to cut open the cargo door but there will be lots of dust to clean out from the inside .......Mmmm

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:47 AM

and I just found this shot of riggers prepping pallets for a heavy drop in the '50s

you may find some pics here- the riggers web page

http://www.qmfound.com/aerial_delivery.htm

and the Korean War era photos

http://www.qmfound.com/airphoto_korea.htm

 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:42 AM

Here ya go... somoe sort of roller system for heavy drops

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Ghostrider114 on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:38 AM

stikpusher

Helo, I am sure with the forklift that it is a case of "close enough will do" Wink I don't know when they changed though, but the pallets used by the Air Forcer for air cargo are usually of a solid aluminum construction, not slatted like the ones used in most of the civilian world. I presume this is to work with the roller systems on the floor of the cargo aircraft.

I'm pretty sure they didn't have RO/RO floors in the cargo holds on planes in the 50s, but I can't find any decent pictures of palette cargo being loaded on a C-119, so I can't tell what kind of palettes were used.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, March 26, 2012 5:27 PM

As you can see from the photo, the pallets are placed on 4"x4"s prior to being loaded, so that the forklift prongs are able to get under the pallet.

I found this link to a page on C-119s with some great pics and first person stories. There is a great tale on there about a load master mistaking some highway flares from a disabled vehicle for drop zone flares on a night time heavy drop....Wink

http://www.ruudleeuw.com/c119-info.htm

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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