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60th Anniversary Korean War Group Build- extended for the duration

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  • From: Australia
Posted by Helo H-34 on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 9:12 PM

Andy , there some issue's with the Williams Bros C-46 Commando .

The cockpit interior and rear floor section fit inside the fuselage quite well , you will need to file down both sides of the main instrument consol , it's just a little to wide , the instruction mention that .

The two fuselage halves fit together okay as well as the center wing under section ; You do have to cut out for the underwing section to accomadate for the landing gear , seperate gear doors are supplied so you can discard the cut pieces , you will need to trim slightly the two filler pieces that fit into the opening that the landing gear struts are glued to but that is no big deal .

So everything up until this stage goes well enough ...

However the most difficult part of the build is fitting the main wings on , I kept the top of the wing surface flush with the fuselage section which results in gaps along the leading edge of the wing between the engine nacelles and the fuselage ;

I glued the left and right top wing sections on first and once the glue has dried I'll glue the lower left and right wing sections in , they will need a little trimming on the ends to fit nicely ;

On a brighter side the Italeri C-47 pratically falls together it'sself , I found no fit issue's at all with the C-47 ; Even after knocking mine of the shelf after I had the fuselage and wings glued on and then having to cut open the fuselage join to glue the cockpit pieces back in , she went back togerther with no hassels at all .

I'm yet to dry fit the landing gear struts to either builds , I'll do that next .

I hope all of this makes some sense , I usually struggle somewhat to explain things !!!!

                           John .

BTW , Greg good luck getting that latest purchase inside and into the stash , every second day the front doorbell rings with parcel post dropping off another internet purchase , all I keep hearing is "That better not be another kit "

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Posted by the_draken on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:48 AM

@ Helo:

I'm uber jealous of your TWO C-46's...  I noticed that on one you had opened the passenger door and the hatches over the wings.  I was planning on doing that to mine as well, except to open the entire cargo door.  Is there anything I should look out for where that is concerned?  I've got a link to a C-46 build on my web site, it mentions most of what you said, not the issue with the wing-fuselage seam, though, IIRC.

Anyway, great job!

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Posted by the_draken on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:30 AM

So, more of a curiosity...  Whaddayu folks got going as background noise while you model?

I'm drinking soju -n- diet soda while watching/listening to "The Walking Dead."  I've already finished "True Blood" S-3 and "Castle" S-2.  When I' not watching NCIS, The Mentalist, Criminal Minds, or something similar on Korean channels I'm listening to mostly eighties rock-n-roll.

Obligatory model comment:  Am now fully committed to my "ambulances" project.  Using the Hasegawa 1/72 jeep and the Academy Dodge 3/4 bambalanze.  The truck is going to get super-detailed in the engine compartment.  I opened up the hood, assembled the engine, installed the RF fender, and the chassis tonight.  I'm going to start the details tomorrow.  I'm thinking:  Coil, distributor, plug wires, fuel lines to the gas tank colored fuel and carb, and maybe another battery and electrical.  I'm definitely going to leave the hood up, I' going to use one of the men from the Hasegawa fuel truck to be climbing up to the engine compartment.  The jeep is going to be more of an issue...  Gotta stretch, cut, bend some sprue for the stretcher carriers.  I'll do that when I'm working on fuel lines, stretchers, etc., for the Dodge.

Pictures to follow when available, and yes, I'm actually remembering to document these!!!

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:33 PM

I cut open the large port side door and the smaller starboard fuselage door on the Korean War C-46 , doing this ment that I needed to extend the aft section of the cabin floor ; Back on page 61 I posted a pic of this .

The edge of the starboard door is right next to one of the fuselage windows , so you will ned to be carefull .

If you get time you can go back to page 39 and 40 for some more pic's on when I started the C-46 Commando , I also posted a pic on page 42 of a SC-46D Air Rescue Commando as I'm still thinking about doing that color scheme .

On the "CIA " Air America C-46 , I only cut open the smaller section of the port side fuselage door and the two fuselage hatches .

After cutting the doorways I added strip plastic to all four sides of each door to make up for the thickness of the saw cut and a little filing afterwards ;

 I also cut the cowl flaps on the bottom of the engine nacelles and pulled them open slightly .

I'll go and check that link you mentioned about the C-46 build , the poor wing fit had me stumped for a while , as I keep thinking I may have stuffed up somewhere but it worked the same way on both builds , so I cant figure it out . Thank goodness for Tamiya putty !!!

                                 John

 

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:59 PM

I forgot to mention that I picked up two of those Revell 1/72 T-6 Texan/Harvard kits over at Hannants UK last night , they were about the same price that Squadron were offering . Hannants also had 2 decal sheets for the T-6 Texan , one with US Navy Trainning markings and the other with USMC Trainner markings . I'll use the Academy kits I bought the other day for the the two trainners and use the Revell kits for the Korean War , the Revell kits have those nice underwing gun pods .

Andy , I saw your ROK T-6 build on your site , she looks great , Yes I like the open Canopy , so I'll do the same on my build .

                                         John .

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Posted by pepper kay on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:06 PM

the_draken

...  Gotta stretch, cut, bend some sprue for the stretcher carriers.  I'll do that when I'm working on fuel lines, stretchers, etc., for the Dodge.

Pictures to follow when available, and yes, I'm actually remembering to document these!!!

Rather than stretching sprue, why not just use Evergreen or Plasttuct plastic rods ? ... Evergreen has a ton of styrene, in all shapes and forms and thickness ...

Sure makes it easier than setting up a candle and stretching sprue from here to there ...

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:02 PM

I have to agree with Pepper Kay , the Evergreen plastic is the way to go .

I recently made up some pallets from some plastic strut to sit some fuel bladders [fishing sinkers] on ;

I forgot to put some nose weight in one of my C-123 Providers , although the instructions suggested 60 grams , there probably wasn't enough room in the nose for that much anyway , so I made some pallets to go inside the gargo area to help balance things out .

I was thinking of building a couple of aircraft hangers from the corrigated sheet evergreen plastic , however the LHS has individual sheets for $8 each , It would be rather expensive to buy enough sheets that way , I wonder what else I could use .

                               John .

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:07 PM

the_draken

So, more of a curiosity...  Whaddayu folks got going as background noise while you model?

I'm drinking soju -n- diet soda while watching/listening to "The Walking Dead."  I've already finished "True Blood" S-3 and "Castle" S-2.  When I' not watching NCIS, The Mentalist, Criminal Minds, or something similar on Korean channels I'm listening to mostly eighties rock-n-roll.

Wow... soju and modeling?|I have only had that stuff on my one time in Japan....Drinks But then again, I occasionally have Bourbon on the rocks while at my work bench. No TV in my war room, but a killer stereo that my kids castoff when they got their Ipods... But I have it hooked up to accept my Ipod or Sony MiniDisc player thru the auxillary port. then it all depends on my mood. If its rock, it's gonna be mainly classic rock or 80s /new wave. But often it's also classical or movie soundtracks/scores to keep me in a proper frame of mind...Headphones

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by the_draken on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:53 PM

Evergreen sheet and Plastruct rod are nice, I've used them a lot in the past.  The only problem is that neither is available to me in Korea, at the moment.  I'm sure that there's a LHS in Seoul _SOMEWHERE_ that has them, but I have no idea where, and no one to help me.  The only Academy store I've found that carries Plastruct has only two or three of the holes in the bin filled.  So...

Off I go to set up the candle and trim plastic out of packaging materials...  Toast  It's not a big deal, and actually makes me appreciate the old school modelers (1950's-60's) better, as they didn't have all of our resin, sheet plastic, etc. to help with details, they made everything themselves.

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Posted by pepper kay on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 5:50 PM

the_draken

The only problem is that neither is available to me in Korea, at the moment.  I'm sure that there's a LHS in Seoul _SOMEWHERE_ that has them,

If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to buy Evergreen or Plastruct pieces, as you need, and send them to you ... you pay my cost and postage and 'tis a done deal ...

Check the Evergreen and Plastruct web sites to see what they offer ... it's much more than I want to type out for the forum ...they havea fantastic variety of sheet, angles, tubes and rods in a huge variety of sizes ...

I have a LHS that takes 20% off everything right from the git-go ... I bought a package today of 3 sheets, 6" x 12", .020 (.5 mm) thick for less than $3.00 ... if anyone is interested, send me your address and what you might want to my e-mail - pepperkay@aol.com - and I'll try to help you out ...

As far as listening to good sounds whilst modeling, I usually have on the moldies/oldies/goldies station that plays 50's and early 60's rock and roll - sorry guys, I'm a tad older than y'all :-) ...drinks ? - Dr. Pepper, bottled at the very first Dr. Pepper plant down south of where I live ... what makes it so delightful is that it's made with real sugar, not high fructose corn syrup - can't beat the taste ...

I just have to paint the anti-glare panels on the Thunderjet and it's finished ... pictures as soon as complete ...

Again, my thannks to one and all who contribute to this group build ... it's been a learning experience and a treat to see all the good and creative work that everyone is doing ...

pepper

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Posted by pepper kay on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:13 PM

pepper kay

they have a fantastic variety of sheet, angles, tubes and rods in a huge variety of sizes ...

I forgot to mention sticks and strips and styrene that looks like roofs and railcar sides and sidewalks and more and more :-)

Go to their sites and check 'em out ...

pepper

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:38 AM

John: The C-46 and C-47 are looking sharp. I like the idea of cutting open the door and doing up the inside. I agree that the USAF artic scheme with the day-glo orange accents would be cool if you decide to go that way.

As to what I listen to while modeling sometimes I turn on some talk radio but reception is generally pretty lousy. So I normally just flip the TV to something like Discovery or the History channel and mostly listen while taking an occasional glace at the screen. I like both the normal real stuff as well as the crazy stuff like flying saucers and the Freemasions taking over the world sorta BS too. I've also built up a collection of B movies on DVD that I'll pop in and again listen to more than watch. I have one set of 250 movies on 50 DVDs that I picked up for about 40 bucks. 90% of them are sheer awfulness but hey they're interesting to say the least.

Finally started work on the base for the tank, the figures are mostly together. I didn't really like the poses so I've Frankensteined them from a pile of parts in my spare boxes. I was planning on going to a Christmas party thrown by our modeling club tonight but well since we ended up with a pile of snow here and it's still coming down it looks like I'll have some more time to work her tonight.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by pepper kay on Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:45 AM

Hey All:

Here's an e-mail I received this morning ... sorry that I can't link it, so have just done a copy and paste job on it ...

I'll get the exact date(s) of the big flyover and post it here ... there may be some on-base (MCAS Miramar and NAS North Island) displays of these aircraft as well ...

Boy howdy, this could make a great 'What If' GB ...

I'll be heading home to San Diego for the festivities and would love to meet up with anyone else that can come ... if not, pictures galore, for sure ! ...

pepper

Navy planes taking trip back in time for centennial

Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 8:35 p.m.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos/2010/dec/15/280369/

Are your eyes deceiving you, or is that a dark-blue Korean War-era Navy helicopter flying over San Diego Bay? In mint condition?

It is. And it isn’t.

About 25 modern-day Navy aircraft are getting special paint jobs as part of the Navy’s celebration of 100 years of aviation, a yearlong party that kicks off in February with a massive military flyover of San Diego Bay.

The MH-60S Seahawk flying out of North Island Naval Air Station has been painted to look like helicopters flown during the Korean War.

The Navy captain behind the project calls it “illustrating” history.

“In my 25 years in the Navy, every aircraft I’ve ever flown has either been orange and white or gray. Most people don’t even realize that we painted airplanes like this,” said Capt. Rich Dann, a helicopter pilot and historian for the Navy’s centennial of aviation project.

The Navy’s winged heritage has deep roots in San Diego. The first naval pilot came here for flight training in 1910, and the three-star admiral who oversees the Navy’s air forces does it from a desk at North Island.

Today’s jets and helicopters are being decked out to look like the Navy’s earliest floatplanes, like its first fighters to fly off World War II aircraft carriers, and like the 1950s helicopters that helped save the wounded during the Korean War.

About half are already complete, and they are being dispersed to air stations across the country. Most will come to San Diego for the Feb. 12 aerial review and the accompanying flight line display at North Island.

It’s a bit of a steel-and-exhaust-filled trip through history.

And it shows the quirky looks that military aircraft used to have, compared with today’s homogeneous gray palette.

“If you go back and look at the history of naval aviation to the current day, you’ll see it goes through distinct phases and it’s punctuated by periods of extremely bright color schemes,” said Mark Aldrich, a 20-year volunteer in the San Diego Air & Space Museum’s archive department.

But the modern era isn’t one of them.

Starting in the 1960s, Aldrich said, the military has tried to camouflage its planes against the sky to give pilots every possible edge over enemies.

“Since 1970, the airplanes are pretty drab, there’s no question about it,” he said.

So, seeing the newly painted F/A-18 Hornet jet at North Island recently was a thrill for an aviation buff such as Aldrich.

The jet, painted in dark blue to resemble a Korean War Corsair fighter, looked a little funny compared to its standard-issue-gray brothers on the tarmac.

To Aldrich, the son of a Coast Guard seaplane pilot, the look wasn’t odd. It was more like “racy.”

“I thought it was the sexiest thing I’ve seen on wings in awhile,” he said.

The heritage paint project carries no extra price tag, since these planes were due to be repainted, or painted for the first time, Navy officials say.

An aviation artist and author, in addition to being a Navy reservist, Dann used his talents to prepare most of the designs, with input from aviation enthusiasts from across the country.

Feedback from today’s Navy pilots has largely been good, he said.

Without prompting, one helicopter squadron asked for its aircraft to be painted Vietnam War olive drab because the unit was formed during that era.

“It’s their roots,” Dann said.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, December 16, 2010 3:21 PM

That is sweet! Make sure you post the date before it happens if you can. San Diego is only 90 minute drive down the coast for me and I would love to see that in person! I wanna see what they do for the WWII and yellow wings birds. So Cal is SO rich in aviation history.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by ww2psycho on Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:41 PM

I got my the Mig15 in the mail today, does anyone know where I can find replacement decals? the ones in the box are turning yellow.

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Posted by pepper kay on Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:59 PM

stikpusher

That is sweet! Make sure you post the date before it happens if you can. San Diego is only 90 minute drive down the coast for me and I would love to see that in person! I wanna see what they do for the WWII and yellow wings birds. So Cal is SO rich in aviation history.

Shall do ... my daughter still lives in San Diego and she's gonna be staying on top of this like ticks on a hound ...

I plan to go out several days in advance to visit her and friends, the Aerospace Museum in Balboa Park and p'haps my favorite photo shooting spot for Miramar ...

The family maintains a condo in Mission Valley which we all use when visiting home and I plan to stay there ... you're welcome to bunk down for a couplea nights when the show goes on, if you'd like ...

pepper

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Posted by pepper kay on Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:01 PM

ww2psycho

I got my the Mig15 in the mail today, does anyone know where I can find replacement decals? the ones in the box are turning yellow.

Put a piece of tape on them and stick to a window that gets lots of sunlight ...  it is amazing how it, sometimes,  resurrects dead decals ... give it a week or so ...

pepper

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Posted by STFD637 on Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:35 PM

Wow! It has been a while since my last post. Lots of great builds here!. I finally finished my H-19 (1/72 scale italera). This kit took me a lot longer than most.

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:35 PM

Excellent build Travis Toast

The black boarded yellow tail boom band looks perfect , the hot dog floats look great and a nice finish overall .

Well done buddy . Yes

                           John .

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Posted by Gregbbear on Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:26 PM

Great helo Travis! 

 

Cheers,

Greg

- yat yas!

 

   

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:19 PM

I've finally settled on this color scheme for the C-46 Commando ;

The caption beside the pic say's;

Curtis SC-47D Commando 44-78542 , as flown by the 3rd Rescue Squadron ,

Misawa , Japan .

I have enough alphabet decal letters and numbers to use , I can't make out the small tail logo , so I won't worry too much about that ; colors are overall olive drab with center and rear fuselage yellow band .

I still couldn't decide on a color scheme for the C-47 , so the CIA have acquired her for the Air America fleet .

I have plenty of other Italeri C-47's in the stash , so I'll start a Korean War version in the new year .

                                John .

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, December 17, 2010 9:27 AM

Pepper: The show lloks awesome, if I wasn't on the other end of the continent - sigh... The F/A-18 painted in dark blue looks tough, I think one of the reasons I like the F9F Panther is that the old navy blue Navy planes looked so much cooler than the current grey on grey.

Psycho: The window trick works great, just don't leave it too long or it will fade the rest of the decal. And esp make sure the window doesn't 'sweat'!

John: Love that scheme! Makes the C-46 look like a giant bumblebee!

Travis: Fantastic! Love the NM and the cool yellow stripes. Beautiful sight in the eyes of any downed  pilot to see that beautiful angel of mercy swooping down to take him to safety.   

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Theuns on Friday, December 17, 2010 10:42 AM

Great helo Travis. Did the kit also come with wheel UC or the floats only? I would like to build one but the SAAF didn't use the floats on their S55's

 

Theuns

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Posted by the_draken on Friday, December 17, 2010 11:04 AM

KEE-RIPES! 

Anyone else here ever try to build and wire a side distributor 6 cylinder engine in 1/72 scale?  It's causing me to create new adjectives...  Most of the referring to parentage and sexual orientation.  Eventually pics will follow, but here's pics of what I'm attempting to do in 1/72 scale...

Having already gotten the color of the engine wrong (and several details installed/painted) I'm going ahead with what I can.  It's still a bastadge to do, though...  Have pity upon my soju-n-diet Pepsi filled soul....

 

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Posted by pepper kay on Friday, December 17, 2010 11:34 AM

Gamera

Pepper: The show lloks awesome, if I wasn't on the other end of the continent - sigh... The F/A-18 painted in dark blue looks tough, I think one of the reasons I like the F9F Panther is that the old navy blue Navy planes looked so much cooler than the current grey on grey.

 Beautiful sight in the eyes of any downed  pilot to see that beautiful angel of mercy swooping down to take him to safety.   

You're right about the old paint schemes ... everything is so drab these days ...

"Beautiful sight" - been there, done that and you're spot on !! ...

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, December 17, 2010 2:03 PM

I guess I am one of the few folks around who really likes those low vis all gray paint schemes. I love to see how they dress them up with toned down squadron markings and mission marks. I am not a fan of CAG birds at all. Mind you now, I love the old full color markings. VF-84's and VF-111's Tomcats and Phantoms are some of the best looking warbirds out there from the 1970s to my eye. And the commemorative schemes can look good if done like on that Hornet shown here.Wink

And thank you for the offer of a crash pad PK. It is very much appreciated. But since I live just a county away and my life does not offer me the time to get away for more than a day to enjoy events of this sort I will not be needing  to take you up on your hospitality.Wink

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Friday, December 17, 2010 5:35 PM

Does anyone have or know of any pic's of a truck /Crane that was used in the Korean War .

I wanted to do something similar to the pic below but I haven't had much luck as yet finding pic's on the net of what the crane truck looks like ?

Any help would be much appreciated .

                                            John .

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Posted by pepper kay on Friday, December 17, 2010 5:45 PM
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Posted by pepper kay on Friday, December 17, 2010 5:47 PM

stikpusher

And thank you for the offer of a crash pad PK. It is very much appreciated. But since I live just a county away and my life does not offer me the time to get away for more than a day to enjoy events of this sort I will not be needing  to take you up on your hospitality.Wink

My pleasure ... keep it in mind if you can ever string a few days together for some 'sightseeing' ... it's almost always available as I'm the only one who ever really uses it ...

pepper

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, December 17, 2010 6:18 PM

Travis, the H-19 looks beautiful!Yes Do you think you can get another pic that includes the full bird, tail and main rotors, for the front page display here?Idea

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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