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Early Jets Group Build 2010

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  • From: Atlanta, Ga.
Posted by MrSquid2U on Monday, December 27, 2010 7:43 PM

I'm seeing some great planes with some great progress gang! I love this subject!

With Christmas behind us I hope to actually get more time at the bench now so I am back on the Heinkel HE 280. As a reminder this is the HUMA 1/72nd scale kit.

Here are the spartan kit pieces for the cockpit OOB.

I cut off that "pad" (bump?) on the rear bulkhead and then added a front bulkhead as a view block although I'm not sure if it would have mattered? Also threw in a couple of "button batteries" over the nose gear for weight.

That allowed me to put the fuselage halves together which was a story in itself. Besides the warping I had to pick and choose which panel lines from one side to the other I wanted to mate up since it wouldn't be possible for all of them to! LOL Some gap filling CA and moving clamps along as I went got that done.

 

You can still see mismatches in the area of the cockpit opening at both front and back but I'll clean those up. A light sanding was also needed ALL OVER because the surface almost looked like the molds had a dusting of dirt or debris which became part of the injection casting? But all of these things add up to the "charm" I expect from such kits and that includes old Matchbox and Airfix offerings as well. I still love them for the subject matter and even the challenge they present. Add to that the fact you can usually pick them up cheap and I just sum it up as FUN.Wink

This plane had the first documented use of an ejection seat in flight when a test pilot punched out after a prototype's engines (it had been in tow) fired up but the control surfaces were iced. I'm gonna see what I can do to the plastic rendering in order to pay more tribute to this fact.Geeked

       

 

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  • From: Garland, TX
Posted by pepper kay on Monday, December 27, 2010 7:17 PM

Gamera

Pepper: The photo size is great, large enough to see the detail but not too big.

Thanks for the advice on using Future on canopies. I've been dipping them in it but I really like your idea of using the box to keep them clean.

My problem was I've been using Future instead of gloss clear coat paint. Normally it works fine airbrushed on the model but sometimes it wants to run when I apply too much too fast. I think I'm going to going to be using more acrylic paint for the gloss from now on, somehow it doesn't run like the Future will.

Future works great on all clear parts ... it hads sparkle to any of them and another benefit it that it adds a clear coat of hard, vinyl wax ... helps to protect clear parts when your mask 'em off, paint and then fiddle around getting the masking tape or liquid off ...

I've read of exactly the difficulty you talk about - 'wants to run' in several articles ... it's not tricky to use, just a wee bit different ... but, I guess I'm too lazy to use it to gloss coat ... as i said, I put the gloss right in the cover coats, so the airplane, tank, ship or ?? is ready to decal with no further steps needing to be taken ...

pepper

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, December 27, 2010 6:34 PM

Pepper: The photo size is great, large enough to see the detail but not too big.

Thanks for the advice on using Future on canopies. I've been dipping them in it but I really like your idea of using the box to keep them clean.

My problem was I've been using Future instead of gloss clear coat paint. Normally it works fine airbrushed on the model but sometimes it wants to run when I apply too much too fast. I think I'm going to going to be using more acrylic paint for the gloss from now on, somehow it doesn't run like the Future will.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Garland, TX
Posted by pepper kay on Monday, December 27, 2010 6:34 PM

Thunderbolt379

Pepper Kay -- excellent finish, I agree the B&W shot is very evocative. Lovely work, thanks for letting us see it, and thanks for a great Future tute! Page 1 is updated, that's eight completions.

Mike, I'll post up a couplea more of the B / W sots ... they really do look neat, I think ...

You're welcome re Future ... I find that's what works the best for me, having made most of the mistakes one can make :-) ... I've never airbrushed it though, feeling that you must work too quickly shooting amoniated water through your airbrush immediately after using it ... so far, I've used Future only for clear parts ...

Anytime I paint, I always add some gloss or satin to the mix ... that takes care of glossing the paint for decal application without the hassle of shooting Future ... works for me, anyway ...

Many thanks for hosting this GB ... it's been a pleasure to be a part of it ...

pepper

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, December 27, 2010 5:45 PM

Pepper Kay -- excellent finish, I agree the B&W shot is very evocative. Lovely work, thanks for letting us see it, and thanks for a great Future tute! Page 1 is updated, that's eight completions.

Gamera -- hoping to see her soon, buddy, yours and mine will be ten completions from twenty entries, and a fifty percent completion rate is pretty good!

Cheers all, Mike/TB379

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  • From: Garland, TX
Posted by pepper kay on Monday, December 27, 2010 2:45 PM

Gamera

Pepper: Congrads, great looking model and just under the finish line- POW! 

Thanks for the compliment ... wasn't sure how large a picture to post, so after taking them from my camera, I re-sized them ...

Suggestions on Img size, anyone ?? ...

I  put all my clear parts in a shallow dish, then pour the Future to cover them completely  and let them soak for ten minutes or so ...

Than I take each piece out with a needle point tweezer and hold it over a paper towl to let excess run off the part ...

Using the tweezers, I hold the part at about a 45 degree angle so the excess comes to the bottom of the part, where I then wick it off with another paper towel ... when done, I have a plastic, covered box - bought at the grocery store - that I put all the parts in, placing them on the piece of waxed paper in the bottom of the box ... pop the lid on and put the box on the shelf to let the Future cure ...

One  last thing here - I have a small hole drilled in one corner of the lid - just to let any fumes out as the Future dries, degasses and sets up ... this way, I have no problem with too much Future and keeping them covered protects them from getting those nasty little dust pieces stuck on the clear parts ...

More often than not, I won't even open the box up until it's time to paint the cnopy and install all the clear parts ... that's what works for me and I don't have the 'run' problems mentioned in your post ...

OK guys - hope to see all the 'finishers' and 'near-finishers' posted on one page after the close of this GB ... a good way to 'share and compare' without having to scroll back and forth through a gazillion pages :-) ... 

My thanks to one and all for all your contributions ... I've learned bunches and will start using all the tips and hints with my next build ...

Thanks again,

pepper

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, December 27, 2010 2:30 PM

Mike: Looking good! Time to start slappin' paint!

Pepper: Congrads, great looking model and just under the finish line- POW!

 

BTW: Used Future on the Vampy and it ran giving me a couple of big drips I had to sand off. I messed up the paint by sanding down to the plastic Angry but was able to just spot spray the areas and have coated her with Model Master gloss acylic. So now she's a sparkly Vampire! (sorry couldn't help myself there).

Started decaling last night, unlikely to make the deadline but shouldn't be too far over.

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Garland, TX
Posted by pepper kay on Monday, December 27, 2010 11:41 AM

Hi All:

I finally finished the F-84G Thunderjet ...

The kit is a 1997 re-issue Revell in 1/48 scale ... good kit - good fit - good decals and instructions ...

Here are a couplea photos of the finished product ...

So, I'll call it done in the nick of time ...

Thanks,

pepper

  I think hte B/W shows the detail much better ...

       

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, December 27, 2010 1:15 AM

Hi all, here's today's action:

I looked at scribing that missing line under the rear fuselage but made a bit of a mess and knew when to cut my losses. I puttied and polished said mess and called it quits, including those gaps near the engines, they're pretty small, my fault for misaligning the wing halves, and with the panel lines accented hopefully hey won't look too far from baseline.

I washed and air-dried the model, then sprayed the cockpit grey over the masked canopy, in acrylic:

Then I mixed a yellow equivalent to RAF Trainer Yellow by mixing 90% XF-3 Yellow to 10% XF-64 Redbrown and sprayed the wing leading edge stripes -- they are supplied as decals but I think paint will look a lot better.

If I had Tamiya Sky I would be spraying the fuselage band too, but I don't and tomorrow is a bank holiday too... GRR.

More as the action happens!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:48 AM

Theuns -- by all means post here, we'd love to see that MiG come together.

Some progress, I had hoped to be onto paint today as the weather was great for laying down some enamel outdoors, but masking has taken most of this quiet day after Christmas in the Great Southern Land. I wasn't able to get the precut masks for this one any sooner than the end of January, and that's way beyond my own end date, so I did a from-scratch job, not my first choice but what the hey.

First I outlined the canopy areas in thin strips:

Then filled them in with broader strips:

 

Next I outlined the nose gear well with tape to preserve the prepainted edge:

After this, the nose well and intakes were filled with damp tissue, and the location points for the main gear doors were protected with thin strips of tape:

And in this final shot you can see all my masking options on the underside, including some tiny balls of blutack pressed into the receivers for the underside running lights. There's another under the port wing treated the same way:

Now -- I must decide what, if anything, to do about the slight mismatch on some seams around the engine intakes caused by the fractional misalignment of the top and bottom wing halves, and whether I'm going to rescribe that lost line under the tail parallel to the joint. If I can see to these points then I'll be clear to wash the beast and get the underside grey onto her probably tomorrow.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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  • From: Georgia
Posted by Screaminhelo on Saturday, December 25, 2010 5:23 AM

Wow!  Very nice work here.  I am somewhat jealous of your time to work.  Seeing all of this wonderful work really makes me miss my Sea Venom but I'll just live through you guys for now.  I would really like to see the P-59 finished in orange, the he-280 is intriguing as well. 

I LOVE the Sea Fury.  I am normally not a fan of pre-shading or dark panel accents but it works well on these early gray Navy jets, they did tend to get a bit dirty and it made the panels stand out much more.

Great work from you all.  I hope to get hooked up with a hobby club when I get to the sandbox and get something done.

Mac

I Didn't do it!!!

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Posted by Theuns on Friday, December 24, 2010 11:49 AM

Hi Mike,thanx for the invite mate! I doubt if it can be done in the next 6-8 weeks so me joining seems unlikelyCrying

I will however post a pic of the Mig's "office" when I am done with it next week just for fun if it is OK.

Theuns

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, December 24, 2010 9:12 AM

Hi Theuns -- it was due to end in a week but anybody still building is welcome to keep going til their project is done. If you can get her done in a reasonable time you're very welcome to join the crew!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by Theuns on Friday, December 24, 2010 8:01 AM

Hi guys. Sorry for the dumb question, but till when will this GB last? I have just started the cockpit of a 1/32 Trumpeter MiG 17 in Mozambique markings.

Theuns

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, December 23, 2010 5:37 PM

Hi Julez -- too bad! If you have a particular aircraft in mind you can probably assemble markings frrom sheets of serials and codes, but that's a fair investment too.

On the bummer sidee of things, my big package arribed and it seems I wasn't able to get Meteor masks, they were out of stock... GRRR

Christmas eve down here, last shopping day, must ring the LHS about paint...

Mike/TB379

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  • From: Brisbane
Posted by Julez72 on Thursday, December 23, 2010 5:10 PM

Ahhh Mike your right all the Aussie decals are for a later mk, it has a completely different tail secton, bummerSad

 

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:08 PM

Gamera -- phew, that's what I wanted to hear! I wondered if I was overdoing it with the extra weight but when reviewers said it was barely enough I decided to add more. The model feels so heavy in your hand as you build, I was worried the weight would cause seams to pop, but nothing has given way so far... I'm glad the decals are fine, the instrument decals took four coats of MicroSol to lay down into the detail, then the clear over the dials just about made the instrument detail disappear... Then in the pit it's pretty much invivisble anyway, so you end up wondering why you bother! Because it's there...! If the fuselage roundels had been in reg I'd not have needed to order AMs at all, but if I do build another, given that the all-white plane had its stencils painted over, I can use insignia from the Eagle Strike sheet, codes from the sheet in this kit and leave the sheet from a second kit untouched -- always good for reselling on eBay!

Cheers, M/TB379

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 3:57 PM

Hi Julez -- I'm building YD-H, EE235, the camo option from the kit decals (I'll do the all-white bird if I build another). I heard somewhere that no decals for the F.3 had been released yet -- if Redroo have some options that would be great, I'll have to scan their lists. The kit certainly builds up nicely, and if you can nail those iffy bits then you'll get great parts fit. I have a couple of small seams outboard of the intakes to do something about, and a line on the underside parallel to the centre seam to rescribe because it vanished in dressing that joint, but that's about it.

Cheers, hope you do this bird justice, M/TB379

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:37 AM

Thanks guys! I'm on the jazz now so hopefully I can get the chip repaired and keep up the momentum.

Duke: The Panther looks great! Love the old blue Navy planes, I guess the modern grey ones are ok but I've always thought the blue looked so cool. And with the white and the red accents you added she looks even better!

Julez and Mike: I built the Meteor kit some years ago. Mine was the one that came packaged with the buzz bomb. Built her straight out of the box and it was one of the best fitting kits I've ever built. Only real problem is unlike Mike I relied on the suppied weight and didn't add any more. It's enough to get to sit on her nose wheel but only barely. I used the kit decals and they worked fine. The Tamiya decals are thick but I've never had a problem with them using the MicroScale system.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Julez72 on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:26 AM

Mike, I'm paying close attention to your build to get a good idea on how it builds up. i like the exposed engines very much and would probably leave one open if i build it...I've just checked out Redroo's site and found a couple of nice decal sheets so i may give myself a Meteor for Xmas... What scheme are you going with for your build?

 

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:53 AM

Julez -- I can thoroughly recommend the Tamiya Meteor, but there are a few bits that can bite you if you're unwary. I'm writing up these aspects as I encounter them. My fingers are crossed for masks tomorrow and paint the day after, then enough air in my cylinder to put the paint on over the holidays. The national insignia decals will arrive sometime in January, so I might hold off applying any of them until then, in case I find them thick or unwieldy. Just the serials and stencils from the kit, really...

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by Julez72 on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 2:48 AM

Hey all  some great work going on in hereYes

Duke, very nice work on the Panther, love the paintjobYesand what a great subject to model, reminds me of that Bridges at Toko Ri movieYesToast

Pepper, I have a real softspot for NMF and yours is outstanding, well done sirYes

Gamera, As usual buddy your build is looking great, you certainly have preshading wired...looking forward to seeing more mateYes

Mike, Very interesting this Meteor of yours...I've had my eye on the Tamiya kit for a while now, Tamiya+NMF+RAAF how can i resist that combinationTongue TiedNot much to report on the 262, the weather here is not letting me paint much lately but i hope to get some pics up soonYes

 

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 2:07 AM

Gamera -- great going, she's going to be a real looker!

Duke -- you tamed an old kit and made it look sweet! Congrats on an extra finish. Page 1 is updated at this time.

I'll have to pop off the Malcolm Hood of the Meteor, I fitted it without my magnifying specs last night and today noticed it was off-true. GRRR... And no Eduard masks yet, hopefully tomorrow.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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  • From: Rowland Heights, California
Posted by Duke Maddog on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:40 PM

Gamera, great looking little beastie there! Way to go!

 

Here is the second model for this Group Build I completed today.


This is my Revell 1/72 scale F-9F Panther done up in Marine Corps colors:






I painted it up with a spraycan of Navy Blue from Tamiya that I got from a raffle. Decals were a bit tough to deal with silvering on me when they shouldn't have. I coated them extra thick with Future to hopefully eliminate the silvering and keep them on.

Thanks all for looking, comments are welcome.

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:31 PM

Well, for once I'm running ahead of schedule for a change! Sanded out the rough areas and repainted. Then I pulled off the tape and no overspray except a little bit where the booms join the wing! Only big problem is one big chip in her underbelly. Went ahead and put some thin white putty on the chip and hopefully will be able to sand it down and get some paint on it soon. Maybe by Christmas I can have the gloss coat down and start slapping some decals on her!

I like the dark grey and white scheme, I think she'll look sharp once the decals are down.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:18 AM

Duke: Sharp work on the Panther! Great job on a great looking a/c.

MrSquid: Don't think I've ever seen a model of a He-280 built up. Looks like she'll be a bit of work but you'll have something that stands out when she's done.

Xradio: Looks good so far, seems like you had to us a little putty Big Smile

Mike: Great looking build so far. I built one a couple of years ago, great kit- simply falls together.

I thought I'd finished painting the Vampy trainer last night but found a couple of rough spots I'm going to try to sand out and repaint. Probaby will overrun the end of the GB but since I finished off my first model I'm not in any rush to get done. Will hopefully have some photos by Christmas.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 6:51 AM

Pepper kay -- stupendous Thunderjet, the finish and decals look so very good! I've been impressed by what can be done with acrylics, and this is a good example!

A little progress on the Meteor:

 

The canopy surround fitted like a glove, all it needed was a few passes with a file and it dropped into place. The canopy is also a nigh-perfect fit, there is an alignment peg/hole for the rear section but not fdor the windscreen, and the sliding Malcolm Hood is designed to be displayed open or closed. As the cockpit is spartan and basic I'm keeping it closed, but while tidying the sprue attachments I had an incident, scratching the crystal-clear hood on both sides. I've already chased up replacement parts and can source a new clear fret for this kit in the new year. I'm sure I can pop off this part, the Testor Cleart Parts Cement isn't so strong it'll defy a concerted attempt to remove a part, say with a butterfly's wing...!

The package containing the Eduard mask set for this kit may be here in the next day or two, and I can probably grab the paints on Christmas Eve. The only possible downer is I may need to change out my air cylinder and that might push over to resumption of business in the New Year, so I'll be into extra time! Along the same lines, the Tamiya decals look generally good, but the fuselage roundels are out of register on the thin yellow outlines. I've identified likely suitable roundels on Eagle Strike 48-136 and ordered up the sheet, Hopefully it'll be here on the other side of ther holidays so I can finish off this beast.

Cheers, hoping to see some more finishers coming along too,

Mike/TB379

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  • From: Garland, TX
Posted by pepper kay on Monday, December 20, 2010 9:45 AM

model geek

Pepper - Your NFM looks outstanding.

Thank you much ... Tamiya silver, thinned 80% paint and 20% distilled water, shot at 20 lbs of pressure ...

After the paint was cured, I buffed it lightly with a # 0000 steel wool pad all over, then used Metalizer 'jet exhaust' on the tailpipe ...

The canopy paint is drying, as I type, and I have to add it, the rockets, bombs and a few more decals to call it 'finished ... that should be today ...

Thanks,

pepper

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  • From: Algonquin, IL
Posted by model geek on Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:46 PM

Thunderbolt - Nice progress on the Meteor.

Pepper - Your NFM looks outstanding.

Tom  

 

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  • From: Garland, TX
Posted by pepper kay on Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:33 AM

Hi All:

Finally, two pictures of my F-84 Thunderjet build ...

The first, after getting a good start on it ... the second, taken this morning ... almost finished ... the canopy is painted and drying ... need to add it, the rockets and bombs and I'll consider it 'finished' ...

Thanks,

pepper

  

   

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