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P-38 Lightning group build - Are we there yet???

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Posted by Spike190 on Monday, April 18, 2011 11:17 AM

Vance thats what I'd use, greens,blues,reds and maybe some brown.

Cheers..

 

Mike  Toast

 

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Posted by Goodness180 on Monday, April 18, 2011 6:19 PM

Vance: 

As the end of your build is rapidlly approaching you had me down as a "Probable" how ever and with much regret i will not be able to join your Group build.  Sorry, really wish i could because i love the P-38.

 

Crying

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:56 PM

Goodness180

Vance: 

As the end of your build is rapidlly approaching you had me down as a "Probable" how ever and with much regret i will not be able to join your Group build.  Sorry, really wish i could because i love the P-38.

Crying

Hey, if I don't get a move on I may miss my own deadline. I may have to use up a couple of sick days to get some time at home by myself. If you want to throw something in late, we can set you up with a demerit badge! Wink

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Posted by Goodness180 on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 2:19 PM

VanceCrozier

 Goodness180:

Vance: 

As the end of your build is rapidlly approaching you had me down as a "Probable" how ever and with much regret i will not be able to join your Group build.  Sorry, really wish i could because i love the P-38.

Crying

 

Hey, if I don't get a move on I may miss my own deadline. I may have to use up a couple of sick days to get some time at home by myself. If you want to throw something in late, we can set you up with a demerit badge! Wink

 

HAHA ok soungs good to me I will see what i can do!!!

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Posted by sienna on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:40 PM

Totally new to a group build.  Here's a couple of pics of my rendition of a P38J  "23 Skidoo"  that resides out in Chino California.  The model is a 1/48 scale Monogram kit  that was sitting in the basement for about 20 yrs.  I had a lot of fun getting the noseart correct.  Hope you all like it.      Can someone explain the concept of a group build for me?

                                                   

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Thanks,

Sienna

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Posted by daddy1 on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:06 PM

Spike190

Vance when I did my first attempt at dot filters I used far to many dots, when I began moving the paint about it looked a bit of a mess.... but I'd done it over a gloss coat and simply wiped 80% off no problem. Not done it over black but can't see why it wouldn't work.

Cheers...

 To many dots is still my problem, but since almost all is wiped off, it still works out. Spike, the main reasons I haven't tried using artist oils  is the cost of those paints and since I've a rack full of MM enamels , they're there. Will break down and use the oils one day though, because I like the effect of filters, and it's actually a fairly easy technique.

 Vance - I hear you about being kept away from the bench. But , I do have update pics.

Down to the final assembly stuff.

Paint chipping with silver Prismacolor pencil. Still need to do a few chips with some aluminum paint and fine tip brush. 

Weathered the turbos, starting with a base coat of MM chrome silver allowed to dry overnight. Then followed with successive washes of acrylic blue, add a touch of red to the blue for the purplish tones, and then add yellow to the mix for the brown tones. I also added some Model Makerz  burnt sienna pigment to the wash to start bringing up the rust tones. Finally a light dusting of rubble dust and burnt seinna dry pigment , finishing up with a very light dry brushing of MM steel. 

After a spray with dull coat , I made a wash of ground pastels to give the vinyl tires more realistic color. They looked to black. Will apply some mud during final weathering.

 Here's the installed turbos. Can't really tell in the pic, but the under lying chrome base and all the washes do so a hint of color and shine through the rust.

Finally have legs under her. 

 

The formation lights under the fuse. I carved out a bit with a small round Dremel cutter chucked in a pin vise. Then I base coated all nav lights with crome silver to give a hint of reflectors under a mix of Future and drops of the appropriate colors . Then go over the chrome silver lights with the mixtures. When dry they have and underlying shine.   

 

 

 

 

 

Hope to have this bird wrapped up in a day or two. 

Howard

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Posted by daddy1 on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:06 PM

Oooops ! Darn thing tried to do a duplicate postBang Head.

 

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Posted by DRAGONWAGON on Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:15 AM

Shoot!! If only I enlisted on this forum/site a wee bit earlier....

I have Trumpeter's 1:32 P38 lying around with LOADS of aftermaket (Eduard BigEd, resin cockpit, resin guntubes, metal undercarriage).

This thread is a wealth of info for me....

 

Grtz, John.

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Posted by p38jl on Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:15 AM

Nice looking builds ! Yes

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Posted by Wingman_kz on Friday, April 22, 2011 10:00 AM

I hate to say it guys but I'm not going to make it. Got a bunch done that I never posted pics for and after my last post I mounted the gun tray, nose and gun bay doors, shot primer and started work on the seams. BUT, thanks to Ken Schlotfeld at Badger, I got some new airbrushes to play with. If you know anything about me then you know I love airbrushes. lol He sent a 100LG, 105 Patriot and Omni 400 along with quick disconnects so I could swap between them very quickly. They're all very shiney so I was immediately distracted. Then I had to plug them all in and try them. Find their likes and dislikes. Well, you get the picture...

That was around 5 weeks ago. The next week, as if that weren't wonderous enough, I got a job! Three weeks shy of being unemployed for two years. And have been working 10 - 12 hour days, six days a week since. Great to be employed again but quite a shock to the mind and body. I'm plumbing hydraulics on big trucks and climbing in, over, under and around ain't easy. lol And, I'm also trying to finish school with exams starting next week...

So, my apologies for the way things have turned out and not being able to finish on time. I will get it done and post the results here when it is.

A big Yes to all of you who have completed your builds. From what I've learned during this build, there currently is no easy way to end up with a great looking P-38 but everyone has. Great work guys! I really regret not being able to join you here at the end.

Tony

            

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Posted by Goodness180 on Friday, April 22, 2011 11:48 AM

Vance:  Any thought about extending this build out a bit????  Especially for the people like me in the big "Model Slump"

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Posted by p38jl on Friday, April 22, 2011 1:40 PM

As an unofficial slacking co-host,, I would be agreeable, as I have a -38 in mind with secret decals.. !Whistling

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Posted by p38jl on Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:17 PM

FLash ! HIGH PRIORITY !

Message decoded as follows: From Kelly Johnson, location; Skunk Works: I have been lurking in this GB for some time now and am pleased with the results. I have contacted your Host via secret Agent( meow) and have urged him to extend this build. He is currently in an undisclosed location in the Canadian Maritimes on a secret mission and not able to access the net, he instructed me to contact the co-host. He has agreed, REPEAT agreed to extend this build for at least one month. Repeat 1 month.

Once has returned( hopefully alive ) he will conduct a poll and have further review.

END Transmission..

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Sunday, April 24, 2011 12:44 PM

Goodness180

Vance:  Any thought about extending this build out a bit????  Especially for the people like me in the big "Model Slump"

What can I say, I have a soft spot for those in a slump. (I feel your pain right now!) Let's go ahead & ad another month to the festivities. No pics right now, but I've got my primer coat laid down as of this morning, outside on a pleasant spring morning. Nothing says Easter Sunday like a good coat of primer!

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by dante821 on Monday, April 25, 2011 9:27 AM

Thanks for the extension.  The long winter and the kids struggle with school work this year took up most of my free time so I only have the pit finished so far.  Hope to make some more progress this week and will post some pictures.   

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:42 AM

A-HA!!! Despite the family commitments that come with a long weekend, I managed to make my last (hopefully) putty touchups on the P38; mask the cockpit, gear bays & areas I sliced open for the flaps; primer coat the whole airframe & various drop tanks & gear bay covers; apply a first coat of pure flat black to a great deal of the underside & some of the areas I want to appear darker on the topside. Semigloss black is next up, lightened with a little blue I think, see if I can get some of my rough pre-shading to show through.

I'm using Tamiya acrylics over a coat of their lacquer-based primer. I love the quick turnaround & cleanup on acrylics - does anyone know of a good acrylic primer?? Hmm

Pics will have to wait until tonight or tomorrow, just realized that I left the camera cable at home. Bang Head

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:16 AM

There, borrowed a cable from someone, here come some pics. Lots of putty on the right side of the nose, glass mostly in place...

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wow - I'm liking the new camera's abilities in close!

The view from above. Pleas not my re-purposed coffee cup holder, great for supporting 1/48 kits before all the gear is added!

The fuselage section just ahead of the windscreen was still sitting too proud. (Or the glass isn't long enough??) I protected the surrounding areas & sanded it down, raised rivets & all. The gun bay is going to stay fairly clean, I'll give it a little dusting with Tamiya's pastels.

Primer on, first coat or flat black...

And a little darker underneath.

More tonight!

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Posted by Goodness180 on Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:51 PM

VanceCrozier

 Goodness180:

Vance:  Any thought about extending this build out a bit????  Especially for the people like me in the big "Model Slump"

 

What can I say, I have a soft spot for those in a slump. (I feel your pain right now!) Let's go ahead & ad another month to the festivities. No pics right now, but I've got my primer coat laid down as of this morning, outside on a pleasant spring morning. Nothing says Easter Sunday like a good coat of primer!

Nice!!! Thank you.  Bow Down

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Posted by daddy1 on Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:01 PM

It's getting there Vance. Looking great. Toast

One thing I've found with building a P-38 is how awkward it is to handle , especially during finishing and weathering. The twin booms have a habit of getting in the way sometimes. 

 I've got the gear doors on Oriole, Seems to be the trickiest fit of the whole Academy kit. I've made little door hinges for the mains . Not really accurate , but a fair representation. I've got the day off tomorrow and am going to try and pull a mini marathon build day to get all the last little items done and post pics tomorrow night. 

Howard

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:38 AM

daddy1

It's getting there Vance. Looking great. Toast

One thing I've found with building a P-38 is how awkward it is to handle , especially during finishing and weathering. The twin booms have a habit of getting in the way sometimes. 

 I've got the gear doors on Oriole, Seems to be the trickiest fit of the whole Academy kit. I've made little door hinges for the mains . Not really accurate , but a fair representation. I've got the day off tomorrow and am going to try and pull a mini marathon build day to get all the last little items done and post pics tomorrow night. 

Howard

Awkward - that's the word! It's a little difficult getting an even coverage on the inside of the booms while holding the whole thing by a wingtip - good thing I'm using quick-drying acrylics. There were several times where I had to rotate the thing & thought "oops, put my fingers on a wet spot", but it had dried enough to not make any difference. (With flat paint anyway, gotta be more careful on the glossy final coats.)

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by p38jl on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:41 AM

handlin' a -38 is like handlin' a fine lady......Whistling

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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:48 AM

Yup.  You have to watch what curves you handle...

 

p38jl

handlin' a -38 is like handlin' a fine lady......Whistling

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Posted by p38jl on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:00 AM

Sparrowhyperion

Yup.  You have to watch what curves you handle...

 

 p38jl:

handlin' a -38 is like handlin' a fine lady......Whistling

 

  oooh.. but she has such nice curves to handle....Stick out tongue

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Posted by Goodness180 on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:31 PM

p38jl

 Sparrowhyperion:

Yup.  You have to watch what curves you handle...

 

 p38jl:

handlin' a -38 is like handlin' a fine lady......Whistling

 

 

  oooh.. but she has such nice curves to handle....Stick out tongue

Touch in the wrong spot though and you get smacked!!!  Oops Black Eye

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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:06 PM

Exactly my point...

 

Goodness180

 

 p38jl:

 

 

 Sparrowhyperion:

Yup.  You have to watch what curves you handle...

 

 

 p38jl:

handlin' a -38 is like handlin' a fine lady......Whistling

 

 

 

 

  oooh.. but she has such nice curves to handle....Stick out tongue

 

 

Touch in the wrong spot though and you get smacked!!!  Oops Black Eye

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:27 AM

Paint! I'm laying down paint!!! OK, as I've said before, I've never built a P38 before so this whole "where to hold the thing while I'm painting it" thing is still kinda awkward to me! But now that I'm getting closer to the finish line, I'm liking this bird in the all-black NF finish. Started with primer of course, pure flat black in areas I wanted darker, and now my finish coat is going on. I'm using Tamiya semigloss black mixed about 10:1 with royal blue, just to take the edge off the black. AFter seeing it dried in daylight this morning I probably could have lightened a little more but I still love the look...

Still need to do the underside, drop tanks and prop/spinners. I also need to try to buff out a cat hair on the right forward engine nacelle - of course! And after "all the painting" is done, I still need to attach the flaps & remaining canopy pieces & antenna wires.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Tal Afar Dave on Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:26 PM

Great builds, guys. Thanks for sharing the great pictures.  Currently working on a Monogram P38 for the Monogram GB.  I feel your pain for this particular kit, but hope to make a presentable recon Lightning (using the included parts not called out for in the Revell instruction sheet,  of course!), your work is truly inspirational!

2022 New Year's Resolution:  Enter 1 group build and COMPLETE a build this year!!  Why Photobucket did you rob me of my one Group Build Badge???  Must be part of the strong anti-Monogram cartel!!!

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, April 29, 2011 1:25 PM

I'm starting to think there are two kinds of aircraft modelers... those who have built a P38, and those who haven't! Tal Afar Dave, no problem accepting late-comers if you're interested in throwing your name in the hat here as well - we've extended our deadline to the end of May. (If nothing else we can track you down in the Monogram thread!)

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Goodness180 on Friday, April 29, 2011 3:04 PM

Vance:  Looking amazing!!!!

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, April 29, 2011 3:13 PM

Goodness180

Vance:  Looking amazing!!!!

Thanks, I'm really liking this in the all-black finish! I'll give it a good looking over tonight before I remove the masking & start working the flaps etc.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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