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Falklands/Malvinas War 30th Anniversary GB

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, February 1, 2011 1:53 PM

Nice cockpit, and great info on that paint scheme. I am sure we will get a few like that.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 12:06 AM

VanceCrozier

 

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/4/2/8/0449824.jpg

There's that darn oil can. Jeremias I did notice in a couple of other photos that the upper surfaces of the ailerons were still blue too, so you are probably correct. I like the detail of the buzz number still over blue.

Another nice detail in Vance's pic is that somebody stripped off the "Fuerza Aerea Argentina" painted tin from the nose, must be pinned up in a pub in Norfolk.

Gosh I would love to build a Pucara, but the time frame of this GB just is not in my zone. I run up to the 50's.

 

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 12:08 AM

VanceCrozier

 

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/4/2/8/0449824.jpg

There's that darn oil can. Jeremias i did notice in a couple of other photos that the upper surfaces of the ailerons were still blue too, so you are probably correct. I like the detail of the buzz number still over blue.

Another nice detail in Vance's pic is that somebody stripped off the "Fuerza Aerea Argentina" painted tin from the nose, must be pinned up in a pub in Norfolk.

Gosh I would love to build a Pucara, but the time frame of this GB just is not in my zone. I run up to the 50's.

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 7:17 AM

bondoman

must be pinned up in a pub in Norfolk

I resemble that remark, and if i had one it wouldn't be in any damn pub.

Pity you can't make this GB. I take it you have alot on the next 16 months.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 7:26 AM

Jeremias, thanks for the tips on the Pucara. I wonder it it's possible to add a shim between the two fuselage halves rather than making the cockpit narrower? Would that help the fit of the canopy, or just cause problems in other areas? I'll make a note to check that out when I finally get into the box.

bondoman - even if you aren't building, please feel free to keep an eye on us, you could be an honourary member! Maybe a technical Director or something! Wink  And after your comment about the "oil can camo", I thought it was funny to see that there was actually an oil can sitting there in the photo.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 7:31 AM

vance, would thinning the plastic of the cockpit wallas help any. I know i have had to do with when adding AM resin cockpits. Might be worth looking into for this as well.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 7:46 AM

That could be a good option too Bish, and less damaging to the panel lines etc. along the spine. I'll have to see how thick the fuselage walls are & if there is any detail on them to worry about losing.

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Posted by el_jere on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 5:59 PM

bondoman

 

 VanceCrozier:

 

 

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/4/2/8/0449824.jpg

 

There's that darn oil can. Jeremias i did notice in a couple of other photos that the upper surfaces of the ailerons were still blue too, so you are probably correct. I like the detail of the buzz number still over blue.

 

Another nice detail in Vance's pic is that somebody stripped off the "Fuerza Aerea Argentina" painted tin from the nose, must be pinned up in a pub in Norfolk.

Gosh I would love to build a Pucara, but the time frame of this GB just is not in my zone. I run up to the 50's.

 

No Pucara was painted in blue, (just the undersides in light blue) what yu see is just the unpainted parts in anodized aluminium.

Here is some dta from th 1/48 Aconcgua kit (the guy from Aconcagua have an exelent research sistem)

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"When inducted into the Argentine Air Force (F.A.A.)  The IA.58 Pucara were delivered in natural metal showing different tones of anodized aluminum.

An exception was A-518 which was painted tan and brown for it's sale to Maritania but after the sale was canceled it retained these colors for the rest of it's sevice life,  and AX-04 of Fligth Test Center prototipe, painted gloss withe and red.

 

In 1982 during the   Falklands / Malvinas conflict camoflage was hastely applied without an established pattern ,due to this no two aircraft were painted alike.

The standard markings and insignias although usually tried to be masked over but were mostly over painted and parcially reapplied .

The inscription "FUERZA AEREA ARGENTINA" was masked over in a retangle and when unmasked displayed a natural metal retangular backround.

The control surfaces on the mayority of all aircraft were left unpainted not to disturb their static balance.

All aircraft were painted green and brown of various tones aproximately FS. 34258 and FS. 33448 with bottom sides painted FS.35450 ( A-511, A-512, A-532, A-533 and A-537)

A-515 , A-536 , A-555 were painted in gloss automotive paint with darker tones aproximately FS10152 reddish brown and green aproximately FS 14128 with bottom surfaces in natural metal..

On some aircraft yellow I.D. stripes were painted on the upper and bottom wing surface starting from the wing attach angle one meter outwards and the rudder was also painted yellow.(A-511, A-532,        A-533)

Pucara A-549 was painted in the lightest tones, tan FS 33448 light green FS 34558 and the bottom light blue FS 35622 with an irregular motted pattern applied."

 

Best regards

Jere

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Posted by el_jere on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 6:05 PM

Mmmmm maybe as the guys said you can try to thin down the fuselage, I´m not too good solving this problems LOL

regards

Jere

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 8:03 PM

ahhh - so the blue we're seeing here is natural metal after some exposure to the elements. My 1982-vintage paint should be showing the aluminum. Thanks again for the information Jeremias!

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, February 3, 2011 1:20 AM

VanceCrozier

ahhh - so the blue we're seeing here is natural metal after some exposure to the elements. My 1982-vintage paint should be showing the aluminum. Thanks again for the information Jeremias!

Ditto

Umm no I did not mean to suggest I'm not in here. Quite the contrary. But I am very much happy to spur you all along with the little tidbits I do know abt the war.

I just haven't had an inspiration. But I am sure I shall.

 

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Posted by el_jere on Thursday, February 3, 2011 6:02 AM

VanceCrozier

ahhh - so the blue we're seeing here is natural metal after some exposure to the elements. My 1982-vintage paint should be showing the aluminum. Thanks again for the information Jeremias!

You are most wellcome my friend,

Here are a few pics of the Pucara at the war with a commo on in and after with the NMF.

You can see diferente shades of colours with more or less contrast between and also you can see some yellow ID bands.

 

Here is the NMF, the nose and tail cone is painted in silver.

Bondo, yes please join us LOL there is plenty of subjets to choose from

All the best for you guys

 

Jere

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Posted by Bish on Friday, February 4, 2011 9:40 AM

Some great info there Jere, those unpainted areas deffinatly do look blue, so easy to see the confusion. And i really like those pics on the all NMF aircraft. Some great variation in the panels. We mostly only see WW2 and Korean war aircraft in NMF, so nice to see some more fecent ones in better quality pics.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Azorean on Sunday, February 6, 2011 11:01 AM

Hi from the Azores Islands, Portugal

I would like to take part of this future GB. After all many say that the Portugueses were the first to put the eyes in the  Malvinas / Falklands / Malouinnes islands.  Smile

I will built a Twin Otter or a Skyvan, both 1:72 scale.

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, February 7, 2011 7:05 AM

Welcome aboard Azorean, I'll add you to the build list right now,

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Posted by Bish on Monday, February 7, 2011 7:39 AM

Azorean  Glad to have you abouard. I take it these will be Argentinian aircraft.

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, February 7, 2011 10:53 AM

Hey guys- I grabbed the Special Hobby 1/72 Pucara. I compared it with the Airfix rebox, and while it cost a few $$ more, and really just a few, it has all kinds of resin and PE stuff.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, February 7, 2011 10:57 AM

Hey bondoman - come on, I got mine first!!! Crying Just kidding buddy, go for it, I can add it to the list if you like. It is a great-looking kit though, and I still think it's a steal considering the resin + photoetch it comes with. And the funny thing that I hadn't thought of before... I was comparing some numbers while looking at my two Falklands boxes... this Pucara is actually quite a bit larger than the Harrier I'll be building alongside it.

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Posted by Azorean on Monday, February 7, 2011 2:38 PM

Yes. Argentinian planes.

 

 

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, February 8, 2011 6:19 PM

Welcome, Azorean!

There was a question about what Argentinian ground crews uniforms looked like. Here's a pic I found.

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, February 9, 2011 2:12 AM

In with an early build:

It looks like the red/white cans were to define the limit of unexploded ordinance.

 

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:11 AM

waitaminute - bondoman is trying to get a jump on the build date... I knew he couldn't wait! I was across the road at the LHS yesterday picking up some paint (very few of those trips left I'm afraid!) and spotted an Argentinian A-4 from Hobbycraft I'm being tempted!!! Indifferent Wondering about the quality of this particular Hobbycraft offering, some have issues...

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Posted by Azorean on Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:22 AM

The A-4 from Hobbycraft has some shape mistakes at the nose. But in general is a good kit, not so good as the Hasegawa, and brings decals to do two argentinian versions.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:30 AM

Thanks for the info Azorean. The shop is closing down in a week, unfortunately, so everything is half-price. I may look at it next time I'm over to see him.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, February 9, 2011 8:06 AM

Azorean  Nice pics, and thats a much wider range of aircrfat than i had realised.

Managed to get to Stanley yesterday and up to Mount Longdon. Just trying to load some pics on Photobucket, being a bit of a pain, then i will put them on the other thread. Bondo, got something you might be interested in given the ship you are about to build.

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, February 9, 2011 6:19 PM

Great photos, Bish. Yes the white one with Cradock at the top was erected a month after the Battle of Coronel, which took place on the other side of the continent, off of Chile. It was pretty one sided, as Spee and the German East Asia Squadron completely outgunned the British South Atlantic Squadron (West Coast half).

After the Battle the Germans came around the Cape and headed for home, It's interesting to think that as this plaque, or at least the service it commemorates, was placed during that transit. One week later the Germans arrived at the Falklands with the intent of bombarding them, certainly not occupying them.

The other plaque commemorates that Battle of the Falkland Islands. Following the earlier battle, Britain had sent a force including two battleships to intercept Spee. The battle was about as one-sided as the other, with the British Fleet destroying all of the German ships except Dresden.

Terrific bit of history.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, February 10, 2011 3:57 PM

Thanks, that clears that up. It did seem rather fast to have the service for the first battle. I guess saying they stopped the German from occupying the Isalnds sounds better than just bombarding them.

There is a poster in the gift shop which shows all the ships wrecks around the Islands. The 4 German ships were all sunk off the eastern side. Did Spee survive this action.

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, February 10, 2011 11:47 PM

Spee died, along with his sons. Anything in that gift shop that is historic abt the first Great war, grab it son. We can settle terms immediately. In a small bit of irony, the German cruiser Graf Spee was sunk at Montevideo, not so far from the Falklands, in December 1939.

Got the Pucara model today. Looks like it has good shapes, but it's an old model and a flash monster. It will be a good challenge. The bang seats are nicely done, and there's a bunch of sort of blackened PE to go in the office.

NO WAR LOAD. But I knew that, from reviews. That one's a bit of a puzzle since I don't often model anything nearly this modern and don't have too many spares. I have a bunch of old Revell iron bombs from a B-52 that might work.

The canopy is one piece and will have to stay that way as I'm sure it's thick and don't much feel like sourcing/ making a vac one. It's big and should show off what's inside, and I'm not big on detailing pits anyhow.

Frankly this kit doesn't seem to have any one outstanding feature, but it does look like an airplane, which is important, and it has a pleasant shape. Kind of like a big Beech KingAir.

The solution to the mystery of the oilcan scheme blue tail has been a subject for me. As Jeremias pointed out, it's aluminum. But it's anodized aluminum. That's the default color of Pucaras, including in all the bays and wells etc. Anodized aluminum of course admits to colors, but in this case it seems that a dull gray was the overall color of these things. It does take paint well.

I will do the A-515 she of the blue tail. Jeremias why do you think they were painted in the home country, and if so, what do you recommend as the green and brown? One source I found listed Peugeot paint colors. I once owned a 404, but it was white. Nice car in a durable way, even had a hand crank.

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Posted by el_jere on Friday, February 11, 2011 7:33 AM

Nice to have you on bord Azorean!

I have never seen a Skyvan in a Malvinas scheme, it will be nice.

Bondo:

I agree with you that paint an anodized aluminnium will me dificult, but maybe you can choose another aircraft with no MNF parts.

Taking from my earlier post (the 1/48 resin Pucara´s instruction)

A-515 , A-536 , A-555 were painted in gloss automotive paint with darker tones aproximately FS10152 reddish brown and green aproximately FS 14128 with bottom surfaces in natural metal

Hope this help, or maybe you can do A-515 wich had a RLM65 like underside.

For war loads you can use it with rockets (I´m not sure wich ones, so if you wait a little for me to get back home I can search that for you)

As you said it´s a nice looking plane, at least for me, I remember many when I saw the planes flying very very low when I wasa kid.

Wow a 404, my grandpa had the same car for many years, I always thought that it looked like the old batmovile LOL

best regards

Jeremias

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Posted by Bish on Friday, February 11, 2011 7:39 AM

Ye, of course, hadn't thought about that regarding the Spee in 39. What a coincidence.

What make of kit is the Pucara

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