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Medicman71

And this is why I do aircraft.

Dare I mention debate over RLM (Reichluftsministerium) colors?  I was just trying to simplify matters by using what I thought was close to "official" colors.

Thanks for the kind words.

kermit

The right shade for the dunkelgelb RAL 7028 color is a source for endless debate as i found out there is not a single simple answer for it. The color ranges from anything between a yeloow, sandy color to a distinct greenish mustard color and even shades of brown.

To further complicate matters, the germans got this paint handed out to them in the field where they mixed it up with petrol and/ or water. The color variation is staggering this way. Also the color would change as it was exposed to the elements.

Just googling "dunkelgelb nach muster" will show you what i mean:

http://www.google.nl/search?q=dunkelgelb+nach+muster&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=nl&tab=wi&biw=1011&bih=776

Funny this topic should pop up here since i was tackling the same issue as i am in the painting stage of a german hetzer over at the armor corner. My choice is revell sandy yellow which has a definate green hue to it.

My conclusion: Anyone can say ral7028 is too green, too yellow or too brown and be both right and wrong. Use your gut feeling i would say...

Richard

And this is why I do aircraft.

Mike, I agree, the yellow looks a bit too gray, but pictures can be deceiving. Any how, its up to you as beauty is in the eye of the model builder. I generally don't worry much about colors. Whatever pleases my eye is what it gets. Any how, you're off to a good start!

kermit

The right shade for the dunkelgelb RAL 7028 color is a source for endless debate as i found out there is not a single simple answer for it. The color ranges from anything between a yeloow, sandy color to a distinct greenish mustard color and even shades of brown.

To further complicate matters, the germans got this paint handed out to them in the field where they mixed it up with petrol and/ or water. The color variation is staggering this way. Also the color would change as it was exposed to the elements.

Just googling "dunkelgelb nach muster" will show you what i mean:

http://www.google.nl/search?q=dunkelgelb+nach+muster&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=nl&tab=wi&biw=1011&bih=776

Funny this topic should pop up here since i was tackling the same issue as i am in the painting stage of a german hetzer over at the armor corner. My choice is revell sandy yellow which has a definate green hue to it.

My conclusion: Anyone can say ral7028 is too green, too yellow or too brown and be both right and wrong. Use your gut feeling i would say...

Richard

I agree.  You can see that my 50/50 mix is 'way too gray, but for a fictional panzer, who knows.  Thanks for information, and i like the way the Hetzer's working out.  The figure is especially well done.

The right shade for the dunkelgelb RAL 7028 color is a source for endless debate as i found out there is not a single simple answer for it. The color ranges from anything between a yeloow, sandy color to a distinct greenish mustard color and even shades of brown.

To further complicate matters, the germans got this paint handed out to them in the field where they mixed it up with petrol and/ or water. The color variation is staggering this way. Also the color would change as it was exposed to the elements.

Just googling "dunkelgelb nach muster" will show you what i mean:

http://www.google.nl/search?q=dunkelgelb+nach+muster&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=nl&tab=wi&biw=1011&bih=776

Funny this topic should pop up here since i was tackling the same issue as i am in the painting stage of a german hetzer over at the armor corner. My choice is revell sandy yellow which has a definate green hue to it.

My conclusion: Anyone can say ral7028 is too green, too yellow or too brown and be both right and wrong. Use your gut feeling i would say...

Richard

Sorry about the German.  I just got used to it when dealing with creatures of the "Dark Side" (armor geeks).  Supposedly the Model master paints match those colors used by the Germans and others during WWI and use the same German designationsI.  So Dunkelgelb (dark yellow) is different from U.S. Gulf War "desert tan".  So I'm attempting to be as historically accurate as possible.  However, the MM dunkelgelb is much greener than any of us expect.  The implication is that the color was more of a yello-tan.

With the Maus, doesn't really matter because the model is essentially alternate history.

Looking forward to seeing the '51's.

MAJ Mike

Dunkelgelb (dark yellow) from Model Master comes out too green.  We all expect late war panzers to have a base coat of a tan/yellow.  Another person on another thread suggested this 50/50 mix of Light Gray and Dunkelgelb.  Once I got the paint mixed and sprayed, didn't want to throw the rest away ad start over.

This'll work.  Its just not what I had envisioned.  Thanks for the interest.  Look forward to seeing your P-51.  Is it a "D"?  One of the most beautiful aircraft ever bilt.

Yeah, I had to look that up (dunkelgelb), I dropped out of German in school... the first week, figured Spanish would be easier.  You can kind of see a little of the yellowish undertone but the grey is pretty overpowering.  I assume the weathering process will make additional changes to give it the "Panzer patina". (whatever that is, i've only seen them in movies, which is not the place for accuracy )  I'm building two P-51D's at once, the Tamiya & Revell kits (just for a personal comparison and for fun).  It has been an education for sure.

Dunkelgelb (dark yellow) from Model Master comes out too green.  We all expect late war panzers to have a base coat of a tan/yellow.  Another person on another thread suggested this 50/50 mix of Light Gray and Dunkelgelb.  Once I got the paint mixed and sprayed, didn't want to throw the rest away ad start over.

This'll work.  Its just not what I had envisioned.  Thanks for the interest.  Look forward to seeing your P-51.  Is it a "D"?  One of the most beautiful aircraft ever bilt.

Looks good to me... but then again, what do I know.  Just curious, what's the issue with the color chosen?

Additional progress on Maus WIP:

First attempt at pre-shading, not very precise.

Painted with a 50/50 mix of Model Master enamel Panzer Dunkelgelb and Light Gray.

Still not the color I'm looking for, but this was suggested to me on another thread.  I'll go with it and experiment further on future builds.

The search for the appropriate dunkelgelb goes on.  I'll follow up with an irregular (squiggley) patter of Model Master Panzer Olivgrun 1943 and Schokoladenbraun '43. 

Thanks for looking.  Be gentle.  

Great.  Decompress.

rock on!    <--head banging

CallSignOWL

I'm officially home for the summer, so I will have some building time now!

YEAH!!!

I'm officially home for the summer, so I will have some building time now!

yes a lot of rivets owl, airfix seem to like rivets.

yes its 1:72 scale, im doing the U.S airforce no the red airforce but it did come with decals for it,

well airfix do and after opening it up to have a look i have to say im looking forward to the PE-2

MAJ Mike

I hope my explanation of the paint scheme was sufficient.  I make no promises regarding the ultimate result in that my skills are still in the development stage.

I'm certain it will look great, at least you know what you're talking about!

glad to see you start RRB!   That's a lot of rivets to avoid when sanding, good luck!

Looking nice!  Judging by the color, I guess it'll be a Red Air Force version?  1/72nd scale?

Regarding the stash -- didn't know anyone made a PE-2.

hey Owl, well i finally had time to comment agian here

here is my p39 airacobra so far........

 and a picture of my curent stash, the stack on the far left is empty boxes full of instructions the rest are models still in boxes so i have 6 in the stash including my p39

I hope my explanation of the paint scheme was sufficient.  I make no promises regarding the ultimate result in that my skills are still in the development stage.

CallSignOWL

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CallSignOWL:

 

Looks good so far MAJ Mike. Did all German tanks have that reddish primer on them?

 

 

lol

 

 

why was that funny?

Sorry, since I don't know jack squat about WWII armor (let alone German WWII armor) the "reddish primer" struck me as funny.  Heck, I thought it looked like rust!

liking!

oh no, not at all. I like the detailed responses. How else will I learn? 

CallSignOWL

speaking of Germans...haha. I don't have the German final until tomorrow night, so I don't know yet!

 

and I'm not a tank person, my fixation is the wingy-things!

Didn't mean to nag.  Just being socialable.  Hope my response wasn't too much of a History lesson.  Hard habit to break.  I taught high school World and American History for 15 years.

Thanks again for setting up this GB.

Seasoned?  You were asked a question.   

I'm glad you find my efforts worthy of comment.  I look forward to seeing your's.

speaking of Germans...haha. I don't have the German final until tomorrow night, so I don't know yet!

and I'm not a tank person, my fixation is on the wingy-things!

CallSignOWL

Looks good so far MAJ Mike. Did all German tanks have that reddish primer on them?

Probably. Regulations for the painting of armored vehicles, by late 1944, dictated a reddish brown (primer color) as the base color for newly manufactured armored vehicles. 

I prime my models before painting them anyway.  In this case, I want to leave some of the running gear unpainted primer.  Over the majority of the vehicle, I'll go with a more conventional Model Master enamel base coat of MM dunkelgelb mixed 50/50 with MM light grey.  I will then overspray that with irregular lines of MM olivgrun and MM schokoladenbraun.

This is a fictional panzer.  Rumors aside, the Maus was never operational and the 2 partially completed prototypes never saw combat.  In researching this subject, this is the color scheme that has been described as being very likely for the Maus if it would have been put into production.

Did your German exam go okay?

Reasoned

CallSignOWL:

Looks good so far MAJ Mike. Did all German tanks have that reddish primer on them?

 

lol

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Reasoned

 

CallSignOWL:

 

Looks good so far MAJ Mike. Did all German tanks have that reddish primer on them?

 

 

lol

why was that funny?