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Blitzkrieg in the West (France 1940) Sept. 18 2011 - March 1 2012

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:35 PM

WBill thanks again for sharing your knowledge with us .Yes

Super detail on your Pz.IV is looking great .Yes About that "dog chain" on the towing pin . The Pz.1 i'm building had it molded in plastic as being atteched to the bottom of the pin . That point of attachment looked impratical to me since the pin is remved by pulling the pin up but that would leave the chain being thru the hole where the pin was ..........???? It looks like you attached your chain to the top of the pin which makes more cense to me .

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Posted by dupes on Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:46 AM

Lots of good stuff, guys! Toast

Fall shows are finally over...time to get serious at the bench and crank out a ton of builds. May have to do an a/c for this one due to severe panzer gray burnout, but there are no guidelines for what qualifies. Is a Bf-108 (that's an eight, not a nine) appropriate? Got the Eduard kit I've been jonesing to build.

T-man?

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:10 PM

BaBill212

wBill,,     always welcome           tis a pleasure

Rob,,     thanks, the open hatches do entice........     would like to do an open engine config

Carl,,,     hm,, a pz I GB             could be interesting... ..  ..  ..  if I would, it would be with open engine hatches!

If i ever build another Pz.1 it wont be an Italeri kit Bill . Open hatches on the turret also . I'd be tempted to through the works as far as P.E. and other details into the build .Alas , i shouldnt dreeam of another G.B. at this point ..............me and my dreaming outload again .Zip it!

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Posted by BaBill212 on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:02 PM

wBill,,     always welcome           tis a pleasure

Rob,,     thanks, the open hatches do entice........     would like to do an open engine config

Carl,,,     hm,, a pz I GB             could be interesting... ..  ..  ..  if I would, it would be with open engine hatches!

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:53 PM

Thanks Bill and Rob, appreciate the comments!

BeerCarl, I have no idea what that plate is meant to represent...it appears to be an added overhang over the air vent that's present at that point over the engine deck. I've never seen that fitted that I recall and can't find any mention of such a modification in any of my references. Unlike the Pz I-As which received some modified protection to the engine deck, the Pz I-Bs weren't given anything like that as a standard modification before or after production.

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:39 PM

Carl, my friend, you are the master modeler. Bow Down

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 Eric 

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:32 PM

BaBill , little Pz.'s all over . Maybe we could start our own sub G.B. of this G.B. ................Yes

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:28 PM

Rob i tried something new on painting the tracks . I used MM flat black thinned with lacquer thinner . I did not bother to clean the vinyle tracks . The paint seemed to have a good bite and did not flake off even when i spread the tracks over the rear idler . Then i brushed on tannish brown chalks over both sides of the tracks , then sprayed the tracks with Krylon lacquer clear matt , this turns the chalks a deeper brown/back but also gives a rougher surface for the next application of chalks to adhere to . so after the final coat of chalks i ran a soft graphite pencil inside the track teeth to show a metalic surface .................then stretched the treads over the drive sprocket and other rolling gear . No flaking .

That plate on the rear deck behind the turret ................not sure of its use . Lokks like it could be some kind of extra shield , for what i know not . Betcha WBill might have an answer .

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:18 PM

PANZERWAFFE

CARL - Agree with Eric, tonal variances really look good.  Nice fix on the rear boogie.  Rubber band tracks are also very well done.  Like the coloring you achieved on them.  Was there any special method used in painting them?  I've never had much luck with the rubbers.  One other thing would like to point out now that there is paint is how well the angle bracket for the engine deck looks!  OH, I too usually go blackish rubber for the brake vent.

I'm sorry Rob, but this was the laugh of the day for me. Big Smile My apologies to the the mods.

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 Eric 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:26 PM

WBILL - Making all of those PE tool clamps and details can be tedious, they look great!  The spare track brackets and track pins are right on the money.  Cupola and vision block assembly is really cool.  The amount of detail in this kit and your talent is going to make for one heck of a finish Yes

TREAD - That is very odd about the B1, no tail light?  I too looked through a few pictures and did not see one on any of them, strange.

BILL212 - Weld beadsare very nice.  These dragon Pz I's do have nice engine hatches to leave open.  Have not so far but I too would like to try leaving them open with a full engine to have a look at.  The interior set you have looks to be a good one.  Look forward to that.

CARL - Agree with Eric, tonal variances really look good.  Nice fix on the rear boogie.  Rubber band tracks are also very well done.  Like the coloring you achieved on them.  Was there any special method used in painting them?  I've never had much luck with the rubbers.  One other thing would like to point out now that there is paint is how well the angle bracket for the engine deck looks!  OH, I too usually go blackish rubber for the brake vent

Question for you or anybody: What is the plate hanging off the back of the case mate, behind where the turret would be?

KVELDULFR - That looks like the molds you would find in a Mirage kit.  Have built a few Mirage kits and with a little work they build into nice kits.  That is more extras then I was expecting to see, with all of that should turn out great.

MALONE - Nice thus far.  Those are nice interiors on these Pz I dragon kits.

There's room for plenty Pz I's, they were the majority of the German vehicles during the Blitz.

 

Rob

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Posted by BaBill212 on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:20 PM

wBill,,,    our posts must have crossed each other at just about the same time,,  timing is everything.       Like I said,   You certainly do detail the details,,,   wonderful reading,,     great job!

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:14 PM

Made some additional progress today. There were some small details left over from Step 11 that I needed to add. The instructions kind of sneak by the two small lifting hooks on the rear hull area as they show them, parts W34, as already installed and also incorrectly only show one installed on the right side (you need two and the kit includes both). Those were added along with the tiny PE slide covers for the keyholes on the engine access hatches and the brake access hatches. I also went ahead and added the retaining "dog chain" PE parts for the rear tow pin and the front hull tow pins.

That led me onward to Step 12 which begins work on the turret and deals exclusively with the commander's cupola. Options are provided to pose the shutters either open or closed and I decided on open. I will also pose the hatches in the open position as the interior detail provided in the kit parts is too good to not show. I'm also planning to have one of the turret side hatches open so this should provide a good compliment to that as well.

I left out the clear vision block parts for now as the way the cupola assembles makes it very easy to slip them in later provided I leave the cupola in two parts. That should make it easy to paint both the interior and exterior portions without having to mask any of the clear parts in the process.

It's worth noting at this stage that the instruction diagram showing the open vs closed shutter option incorrectly refers to parts Q2 when in fact they really mean parts Q5.

Next up is the turret base and work on the main gun.

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Posted by BaBill212 on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:13 PM

Carl,,   much appreciated ! I knew you would save that suspension,, nicely done.    I also agree, you can actually make a set of rubberband tracks look very good (which you have proven),,, drive sprockets turned out  nicely too..    the overall paint job is looking sweet.         Oh, and yes, another pz I.... they are everywhere! (the lil buggers)

Eric,,   thanks,,,  they take some time but they typically work out fine

wBill,,    much obliged,,  I liked your follow up details as well...  you certainly do detail the details (great info).  Good luck with the upcoming class.

Kv,,     that is a whole lotta stuff going on there,,,,    will be looking for updates

Malone,,     another pz I  !!    I luv it !     Some great looking interior detail additions...  

 

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by malone duke on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 2:49 PM

[View:/themes/fsm/utility/Photobucket:550:0][View:/themes/fsm/utility/Photobucket:550:0]what's up guys! some amazing work being done here! really enjoying running through all of these posts!  so it was my bday recently and i'm finally able to join in with a pz I.  Not my first choice but the best i could ask out of my wife and daughters.  just getting started with the wheels and some of the interior stuff.  it's gonna be pretty much out the box except for a few extras of pe and possibly a few additions to the interior.  the kit looks great and besides some blatant misques in the instructions is behaving very well so far... sorry bout the pic quality.  i uploaded the wrong ones.   next post will be better.  any suggestions are appreciated  [View:/themes/fsm/utility/Photobucket:550:0]

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:04 PM

satch_ip

The only other thing I can think of is that you have to be very careful of the "Right" and "Left" designations in the instructions...they refer to the sides when the upper hull is upside down...if you instead assumed that meant when it was right side up, you would have ended up assembling them backwards. The good news is that all you "should' have to do is swap around the end parts to the other ends to correct the problem.

What kind of moronic thinking is that? Hmm  That's the problem.  Oh well, I gave up on the PE griles, mostly because I hate PE.  Good thing your blog shows the wheel assemblies on the kit or else those would be backwards too!

Thanks, Bill.

PS, Can you make it to Austin this weekend for the AMPS show?

 

That's got to be the most bass-***ward instructions I've heard of in some time, gee friggin' whizz... Hmm

 

Shellback: Love the dirt and mud, I tend to either over or underdo it- looks perfect to  me.

Kveldulfr: Looks like you've got some work ahead of you- still despite the work looks like she'll build up into a very nice model.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:48 PM

No problem Satch, glad you got it figured out! I hear you about PE...and this kit has a lot of it, so you definitely have to pick your battles. Sorry I can't make it to Austin for the AMPS show, I have a lot to do this weekend before my MBA classes start next Thursday. Wink

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:32 PM

You could go either way. Personally, I always paint it blackish rubber to add a little visual contrast.

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Posted by satch_ip on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:32 PM

The only other thing I can think of is that you have to be very careful of the "Right" and "Left" designations in the instructions...they refer to the sides when the upper hull is upside down...if you instead assumed that meant when it was right side up, you would have ended up assembling them backwards. The good news is that all you "should' have to do is swap around the end parts to the other ends to correct the problem.

What kind of moronic thinking is that? Hmm  That's the problem.  Oh well, I gave up on the PE griles, mostly because I hate PE.  Good thing your blog shows the wheel assemblies on the kit or else those would be backwards too!

Thanks, Bill.

PS, Can you make it to Austin this weekend for the AMPS show?

 

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:20 PM

WBill thanks for answering the question about the brake vent X2 . Question , since the corrugated area is rubber i was thinking it could be painted to look like a blackish rubber ? Or i suppose it would be painted the same color as the rest of the vehicle ?

 

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Posted by Kveldulfr on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:19 AM

Hi again:

Thanks Wbill76, I read your post after writing my own...

I has some hours with the model and my sources, the best I has found is: http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com and I can say that overall is a good model, but has some lack of details and some very gross inaccuracies.

The worst of the kit is that the plastic is too soft and warped in some parts, and the fitting of the upper hull is awful, and the big circular hatch that cover the mounting of the turret is not provided, but the good side is that it´s easy made it from scratch.

The kit:

The bonus Dragon parts and PE

Now some details

The engine cover, the cooling air intake has not the correct shape of the louvres and are closed at the bottom, but it´s hidden by a piece of armor, so it´s ok. The bad thing is the wide of the lines of the hatches, may be I´ll cover them and rescribe them.

Details of the upper hull, the parts are too thick.

I´m done for now, tonight I´ll post the photos of the test fiting

 

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:15 AM

Tonal variances look good Carl.

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:53 AM

Bill, nice work on the tracks and weld seam detail! Yes

Carl, as expected a perfect salvage job on the suspension. The tracks look good as well and the weathering ties them nicely in with the suspension and hull.

Kveldulfr, I had answered Carl/Shellback's question earlier but stuff often gets lost in the shuffle if the thread is moving at a fast clip. The hose is a rubber air exhaust vent for the final drive brake housing and should be drilled out at the end that rests under the antenna tray. HTH! Beer

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Posted by Kveldulfr on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:34 AM

Shellback: Anyone know what the pipe is ? I thought it could be an auxilury engine exhaust but the end is capped .

I´m working on the same chassis, and can´t find any reference, I'm very curious about it. I´ts just over the rear part of the gear box...

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:01 AM

Painted , weathered and mounted the rubber band tracks .They look pretty good IMO .

 

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:56 PM

Bill great work on the weld-beads.

Bill and Carl, continued great work on the builds.

Andy, your funny dude. Yes

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Posted by deafpanzer on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:04 PM

LOL!  That was a great save... Beer

Andy

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:18 PM

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:44 PM

Ok , i have it fixed and some weathering done ...................

 

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:27 PM

treadwell

Hi Shelldude your model is great, but you have a '67 El Camino ?.......sitting on a freekin gold mine !

treadCool

P.S. glad you had a nice time in the wilderness with the family

 

I'll pm you a pic Treadplate

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:24 PM

Bill , alas another Pz. 1 build . Yes Your method of weld seams comes out spot on .

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