Blitzkrieg in the West (France 1940) Sept. 18 2011 - March 1 2012

tigerman

Did you mean Breguet 693? I couldn't find a Potez 693. The Breguet looks as though it would qualify for the time frame. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breguet_693 

yes i mean the Breguet ... i confused the manufacturer , smer included even potez planes and i not too familiar with french planes. Need to fill this gap; even if not real french plane was an excellence in ww2 there was a large variety of intresting desing planes. Plus have in the stash a started morane saulnier 406 in camouflage stage. 

At least i'll post the kit sprues pictures if someone intrested. 

BaBill...;

GREAT KIT, IMO!  Another great 38(t) with a complete interior- even a motor!  The Dragon has less brass inside, there may be some uncertainty about the radio placement (in both Tristar and Dragon), and I think the Dragon seats and seat-mounts lack... But picky picky picky!  The MagicTrack - NICE! (and, yeah, the links DO come with casting numbers... just use your magnifier on 10x to see!).

Of course you still get to see all that great stuff thru 3 dinky hatches... Dragon's hatches are no larger nor in greater numbers than are Tristar's!.  But, Dang! couldn't those Czechs have foreseen this and designed accordingly?

Just begs for a dio with a knocked-off turret!

I think it's hard to beat the quality and build fun (for us Pz 38 fans, anyway) for $22!  I'd go get another, if I had any space!

Bob

bobbaily

Satch-thanks.  Yes, I am referring to Trauloft's Black Chevron-Triangle-and Bar.  Based on my limited Google research, it is of the April 1940 time frame.  However, it's always to get confirmation from someone with more knowledge and reference material.  The problem with the internet is that there sometimes seems to be too much information available.

Darren-good to see you here-we haven't crossed paths for awhile.  My BoB Spitfire is still 95% complete-just waiting for me to paint the canopy and attach the landing gear.....maybe I'll finish it for the next BoB GB....  I would appreciate it if you check your resources and see if you come up with the same results.

As a back up plan, I can order an  E-3 canopy and some different decals.....or purchase the Tristar Pz 38(t) kit....just trying to get by with pulling something out of the stash.

The Osprey profile says that's an E-4 in April.  Upon further review, William Green's Warplanes of the Third Reich, has the 4 introduced in "summer to autumn of 1940".  There is a picture of JG 27 E-4s on the Channel Coast in June 1940, which would place them in the final phases of Fall Gelb. 

Green also states that the E-4/N reached service evaluation before "combat in earnest between the Luftwaffe and the RAF began in the BoB."

This research begs a question, what's the difference between the 3 and the 4?  The center mounted cannon and MG FF vs MGs in the wings seems to be the major external difference.  However, several E-3s were field modified with canopies and wing guns.  I think you can make a case that your aircraft and scheme are appropriate.

Eric,,,    that is what pushed me over the edge on the Pz 38(t)....  saw it was very inexpensive, so of course I HAD to have it. Then I noticed the GB      - - - - -     Timing is everything!

bsyamato,,, that is an interesting aircraft. I like it!

Satch-thanks.  Yes, I am referring to Trauloft's Black Chevron-Triangle-and Bar.  Based on my limited Google research, it is of the April 1940 time frame.  However, it's always to get confirmation from someone with more knowledge and reference material.  The problem with the internet is that there sometimes seems to be too much information available.

Darren-good to see you here-we haven't crossed paths for awhile.  My BoB Spitfire is still 95% complete-just waiting for me to paint the canopy and attach the landing gear.....maybe I'll finish it for the next BoB GB....  I would appreciate it if you check your resources and see if you come up with the same results.

As a back up plan, I can order an  E-3 canopy and some different decals.....or purchase the Tristar Pz 38(t) kit....just trying to get by with pulling something out of the stash.

Yes, as near as I can tell, it looks like the Krupp Protze is a go.

If you so choose, it's a go.

Is Krupp Protze with 3.7cm Pak allowed?  It is by Tamiya in 1:35.

Cheers...

Over on Dragonusaonline, they had the Pz 38(t) E/F for just $22! 

http://www.dragonusaonline.com/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=DRA6434 

Did you mean Breguet 693? I couldn't find a Potez 693. The Breguet looks as though it would qualify for the time frame. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breguet_693 

aargh!!! i suppose the potez 693 will work on this gb  

just ordered some day ago the 1/72 Smer kit at 6.70 € 

http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/smer/kit_smer_165.shtml

too busy on others gb but will follow to see some rare subject here

Thank goodness we have some wingie experts. I'm clueless. I just know that there were no G's this early.

Bob, are you talking about Trautloft's Black Chevron-Triangle- and Bar?  My Ospery book says it was a Bf 109 E-4 in March of 1940.  Looks like it would qualify.

Satch

Bob if I recall correctly the Bf 109E-4 did not make an appearance until July 1940 so it's not going to fit the time frame.  I'm at work at the moment so I'll have to check this out properly with my references when I get home.

PanzerBob is is correct with the Anthrazitgrau / Signalbraun color scheme, it was current until it was replaced by Panzergrau (HM 1940, Nr. 864 of 31.06.1940).

Cheers

panzerbob01

Thanks for the brown/grey info. You saved me a trip through my pile of papers that passes for 'references'!

bobbaily

I've built the Tristar 38T B without the interior. The good thing about the kit is, the interior is really a seperate kit unto itself, so you could easily remove it. Odds are, you could sell it (Tristar packages the 38t interior seperately too).

Panzerbob is also right about the kit in terms of its detail and the way it goes together. The ONLY caution that I will offer is that Tristar kits tend to be very 'precise'. They kits have a lot of small parts and complex constructions, so demand the builders attention.

All in all, Tristar kits are great. I'll look forward to your build.

bobbaily

Hey all-I need some help from  people that know more than I do (and can determine from Google searches)-

Would a bf 109E-4 have flown in the Battle for France or would the 109's been strictly E-1's and E-3's?  The pilot/plane in questin is Hauptman Hannes Trautloft, Grupperkommandeur I./JG 20, based at Bonninghardt, 1940 (April I think).  The decal sheet in question is SuperScale No. 48-869

If so, my build is determined...if not, time for more research.

Thanks in advance

This one reason I didn't list planes. I can't keep track of all the variants.

You might try googling it.

Hey all-I need some help from  people that know more than I do (and can determine from Google searches)-

Would a bf 109E-4 have flown in the Battle for France or would the 109's been strictly E-1's and E-3's?  The pilot/plane in questin is Hauptman Hannes Trautloft, Grupperkommandeur I./JG 20, based at Bonninghardt, 1940 (April I think).  The decal sheet in question is SuperScale No. 48-869

If so, my build is determined...if not, time for more research.

Thanks in advance

Manstein's revenge

 

tigerman:

 

Manny. Nice kit. I hear that Bronco released it with some corrections from my earlier kit. 

 

Hmmmm...I wonder which version I have?  The base and figs are already done---working on the tank now...

 

The shorter barrel is the 38 and the longer is the 39. Is that what you mean?

Ogrejohn and Bill, glad to have you guys.

Carlos, sorry about the Stuka, but we need something to take out all these heavy Frenchy tanks.

carsanab

OK Tiger...so its a Stuka for me...which variants will be allowed??

The B-1/2 and R-1/2 would be the only versions in use, i think.

OK Tiger...so its a Stuka for me...which variants will be allowed??

Hi Eric : )

Put me down For a Char BI bis.....  even if I need surgery on hand I will figure out a way to complete this GB !

Thank you very much for hosting it, I think it will be fun for me to expand past my love of Soviet tanks and try something new

Treadwell - Char B1 bis

thanks man 

bill

I'll give it a go with a Tamiya PzII C. Hopefully I'll be able to finish as I haven't even started my entrant for Andys Panzer III GB.

Ok,,   here is a pic I pulled of the Dragon site...     the photo is crap, but you get the idea.

Pz 38(t) E/F Smart Kit (2 in 1)

I'll give it a quick review as soon as it arrives.......   hopefully by the end of the week.

Bill

That actually was pretty good Manny,, ha!

panzerbob01

@Bobbaily;

Hi!  I'm another Bob!

For my 2c worth; do the Tristar Pz 38 if you have it or can get it cheap (the ausf B, E/F, and G kits are all around eBay and at shows for very reasonable bucks) - these are all super nice kits with great detail and go together very very well - just wrapping up an E/F as we speak and I loved the build!  And, as long as you take care and dry-fit things first, you will find about everything really goes together very cleanly and without lots of trimming or fiddle-faddle.   IF you do the B or G, you have the option of doing a Befehls-panzer with the frame antenna.

Warning!: The B kit comes in 2 versions - with or without interior.  The interior is just fantastic stuff, but you will be taking on an involved job with lots of brass if you go there!  It's not for the PE-phobic!

 .........

Bob

 

Thanks for that info Bob...(how come I feel like I'm talking to myself?)  The kit at my LHS is the Full Interior version-at a very reasonable price.  I'm going to go check my other LHS (same owner, different city) and see if he has the 'no interior' version there. I hate to pay for the interior bits if I'm not going to use them.  If not, I'm leaning on back dating my bf109E 4 to an E 3 and going that route....after all, the Stukas are going to need some protection.....I should have something decided by the weekend.

Manny... very funny!

Oops...wrong GB---ignore the top pic...The bottom pic shows the scene I will be depicting using these figs:

tigerman

Thanks Bish. We'll say that the 251 C was not involved unless someone has direct proof that it was. Sorry Carlos, it looks like a Stuka for you. LOL

Manny. Nice kit. I hear that Bronco released it with some corrections from my earlier kit. 

Bill, welcome aboard.

Stuka it is...............

tigerman

Manny. Nice kit. I hear that Bronco released it with some corrections from my earlier kit. 

@bbrowniii;

You are SAFE, my friend!  The "brown on gray" scheme was official and current until June, 1940.  This being the case, an SdKfz 222, a type which was already in service before 1939, could likely have been still in this scheme - I suspect that new (replacement) vehicles adding in in early and mid - 1940 may well have arrived all - gray. So it sort of depends on what you are positing your individual to have been - "established" or new from repple-depot!

PS: That brown on gray scheme is one of the reasons I am planning on being in this GB!  Any excuse to avoid those all-gray schemes!

@Tiger...;

Thanks for the "shared rule" easement!  I'll try to make it worth while! I assure you it will be a new start. Now all I have to do is actually commit to what this start will be...

Bob

Thanks Bish. We'll say that the 251 C was not involved unless someone has direct proof that it was. Sorry Carlos, it looks like a Stuka for you. LOL

Manny. Nice kit. I hear that Bronco released it with some corrections from my earlier kit. 

Bill, welcome aboard.