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Big Beautiful Jugs - OFFICIAL P-47 GROUP BUILD

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  • Member since
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  • From: Kentucky
Posted by Von Sisco on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:43 AM

Coming along real well Doogs, they both look great! Thanks for the video inspiration too, I enjoyed watching them loading in the ammo and doing a test fire.

Ed Sisco

On the bench: 1/48 Hobby Boss F3H-2 Demon & 1/48 Trumpeter F9F-2 Panther

On deck: 1/48 Grand Phoenix FJ-4 Fury double build

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:44 AM

Looking good Doogs ! like the vid to..

Getting close to cracking out my XP soon ~ !

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:39 AM

Doogs: Super video clip- loved watching the spend shell casing dumping like a cascade on ground test of the eight guns Indifferent

Nice prop too!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:02 AM

Gamera

Doogs: Super video clip- loved watching the spend shell casing dumping like a cascade on ground test of the eight guns Indifferent

Nice prop too!

My favorite part too! Kinda makes that shot from the Matrix look silly by comparison!

Got a start on priming last night...have some areas I need to go back and clean up a bit more. Grumble.

 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, February 2, 2012 10:13 AM

Finally got the Jugs all primed up yesterday. I missed a few things...the bombs and landing gear on the Revellogram (still sitting on the sprue trees), tires all around (though I'm still waiting on spoked tires from Ultracast for the Tamiya) so I'll have to go back and pick those up later.

I used Mr. Surfacer 1200 thinned with Mr Leveling Thinner. Overall it went on great and light. I was also a bit surprised at the sharp visual contrast between the Tamiya and Revellogram with the primer on. It doesn't show up quite as well in pictures, but it's very apparent in person. The raised lines very much fade into the rest of the surface, while the recessed on the Tamiya seem to leap out. Weird.

Next steps - masking canopies, shooting some shiny black to build a base for Alclad!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Houston, Texas
Posted by panzerpilot on Thursday, February 2, 2012 10:28 AM

Very nice. I've never used Mr Surfacer 1200, though it gets great remarks. I am vague on it. My question is, what are the advantages of using it prior to priming?

Are you using the Alclad Shiney black or decanted from elsewhere? I primed the cowl yesterday and painted the Master Model blast tubes with Alclad Chome. They came out very nice. I'll prime the rest today and should be NM early next week (pretty humid in Houston right now, so I am going to take my time)

-Tom

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Posted by some assembly required on Thursday, February 2, 2012 10:58 AM

ok here is my N model. its the 48th scale promodeler ed.  The silver is a brush on seam check, now onto the polishing phase! BTW doogs, i picked up the revell razorback from hobbylobby for $10. i'd like to throw this into the mix next. i have to say you make modeling look easy on your blog Yes

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, February 2, 2012 11:08 AM

panzerpilot

Very nice. I've never used Mr Surfacer 1200, though it gets great remarks. I am vague on it. My question is, what are the advantages of using it prior to priming?

Are you using the Alclad Shiney black or decanted from elsewhere? I primed the cowl yesterday and painted the Master Model blast tubes with Alclad Chome. They came out very nice. I'll prime the rest today and should be NM early next week (pretty humid in Houston right now, so I am going to take my time)

I basically use Mr. Surfacer 1200 as I would any other primer. Biggest advantage is that it goes down very well and goes glass-smooth with a quick swipe of fine sandpaper (I'm planning to hit the wings with some micromesh polishing cloths). That and it's solvent-based, so it can stand up to pretty much anything. It and Model Master gray enamel primer are my two primers of choice, I just choose based on the needs of the build.

I've tried Alclad's black base in the past and hated it. Instead I use Tamiya X-1 gloss black cut with their gloss clear (X-19?) and thinned with Mr. Leveling Thinner. Works really well!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, February 2, 2012 11:35 AM

some assembly required

ok here is my N model. its the 48th scale promodeler ed.  The silver is a brush on seam check, now onto the polishing phase! BTW doogs, i picked up the revell razorback from hobbylobby for $10. i'd like to throw this into the mix next. i have to say you make modeling look easy on your blog Yes

The -N is looking nice! I've got the recent reissue in the stash, but I'm thinking I want to tackle the big Trumpy -N as my next Jug. Have to scan and blow up the "Expected Goose" markings from the Academy kit first, though.

I'll get your Revell Razor added to the front page straightaway! Have fun with it! I've found fit to be generally really good. Only major complaint is the super-thick canopy.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Hancock, Me USA
Posted by p38jl on Thursday, February 2, 2012 12:08 PM

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I basically use Mr. Surfacer 1200 as I would any other primer. Biggest advantage is that it goes down very well and goes glass-smooth with a quick swipe of fine sandpaper (I'm planning to hit the wings with some micromesh polishing cloths). That and it's solvent-based, so it can stand up to pretty much anything. It and Model Master gray enamel primer are my two primers of choice, I just choose based on the needs of the build.

I've tried Alclad's black base in the past and hated it. Instead I use Tamiya X-1 gloss black cut with their gloss clear (X-19?) and thinned with Mr. Leveling Thinner. Works really well!

[/quote]  Doogs, what did your Alclad black do, or not do, that you hated it ?? ..

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, February 2, 2012 12:35 PM

p38jl

 Doogs, what did your Alclad black do, or not do, that you hated it ?? ..

It just didn't spray very well. Weird coverage and had a tendency to pool. Of course, nowhere near as bad as when I tried decanting Krylon gloss black:

While I'm at it...here's how the Tamiya gloss + gloss black came out:

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by p38jl on Thursday, February 2, 2012 12:52 PM

Doogs.. funny. mine did the same thing when I did it on my XP-47J build.. I ended up using Testor's MM gloss black,, way better results.. Glad it wasnt just me.. !! lol

 

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Posted by panzerpilot on Thursday, February 2, 2012 2:10 PM

Well, I had been putting off the guns for a while, having bought master model's aftermarket tubes. I've been wracking my brain. How to get the tubes in there without them disappearing into the wing, moving around, stained from Superglue, etc. etc.? I had to drill out the stock holes, because the guns have a flange on them in the rear. Anyway, I was going to use some extra "P-1" nylon bushings that the prop uses and superglue them into place, which could make alignment a nightmare. I decided to cram sticky tack into the gun well, with the intent of pushing the guns into place, after the cover is glued on...

How to get these:

...Into..Here:

..Result:

-Tom

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, February 2, 2012 2:26 PM

Excellent idea with the tack putty! Wish I'd done that with my Revellogram, but I'll just use a dab of Gator's Grip to secure the tubes to their backstops.

Also...Hasegawa makes their own brass for their Jug kit that are right-lengthed. I believe the Master set is intended for the Trumpy Jugs, thus the flanging.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Houston, Texas
Posted by panzerpilot on Thursday, February 2, 2012 2:39 PM

Thanks. I wish I had known about Hasegawa's AM tubes a few months back, but this will do the trick!

-Tom

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, February 2, 2012 2:41 PM

Came across this post on another forum the other day, and I'm thinking about trying something like this with my Jugs (to a less weathered/tore up extent). Really like the streaked pre-shade and the buildup of thin coats of different colors. Almost like dot filtering with an airbrush!  Check it out. What do y'all think?

http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?showtopic=37543&st=15

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Democratic Peoples Republic of Illinois
Posted by Hercmech on Thursday, February 2, 2012 2:58 PM

I love the way that looks Doggs! I think I have an article on how to do it...called dual diffusion or something or other.


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  • From: Houston, Texas
Posted by panzerpilot on Thursday, February 2, 2012 3:58 PM

That's definitely a different look. I have never seen it before and I kinda like it! Looks like it works on the way you perceive it vs. the actual detail.

-Tom

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  • From: Houston, Texas
Posted by panzerpilot on Thursday, February 2, 2012 10:09 PM

Primed...Finally! I used the Alclad Gloss and it went on smoothly. Dig my model "holder"?

 

 

-Tom

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  • From: Far Northern CA
Posted by mrmike on Thursday, February 2, 2012 10:22 PM

Just hit the link - a word I reserve for something truly deserving is AWESOME - the finish is that and more, all it needs is a few raindrops to be 1:1 - thanx for the info!

mike

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  • From: Kentucky
Posted by Von Sisco on Friday, February 3, 2012 8:12 AM

Doogs-Your builds are looking great! As for the shading, I think it looks very convincing when all completed. A quick question though, how much thinning do you do to your final coats to achieve this look? Coming from an automobile background I am still experimenting with techniques.

Tom-That big bird looks fantastic! Nice stand by the way, it's what I use alot of times. But there is one thing I gotta know, do you use throwback Pepsi as a leveling agent or is it more for gloss? Whistling Keep up the great work!

I should have some pics posted up this weekend. I'm totally engulfed in my P-61 build right now but I should finish up my Jug this weekend. Besides, the Tamiya kit has been sitting there just aching to get built!

Ed Sisco

On the bench: 1/48 Hobby Boss F3H-2 Demon & 1/48 Trumpeter F9F-2 Panther

On deck: 1/48 Grand Phoenix FJ-4 Fury double build

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    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, February 3, 2012 8:33 AM

DoogsATX

Came across this post on another forum the other day, and I'm thinking about trying something like this with my Jugs (to a less weathered/tore up extent). Really like the streaked pre-shade and the buildup of thin coats of different colors. Almost like dot filtering with an airbrush!  Check it out. What do y'all think?

http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?showtopic=37543&st=15

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Doogs: That's interesting. Not sure I like it or not. I do some pre-shading but that looks almost a little too much yet I still like the effect here. Hmm

Tom: Yow, super shiny! Very nice, and the vice grips look as good a stand as anything Wink

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Houston, Texas
Posted by panzerpilot on Friday, February 3, 2012 8:57 AM

mrmike - Thank you! Looks like you are sitting a real-live P-47? Now THAT is awesome!

Von Sisco

Tom-That big bird looks fantastic! Nice stand by the way, it's what I use alot of times. But there is one thing I gotta know, do you use throwback Pepsi as a leveling agent or is it more for gloss? Whistling Keep up the great work!

I should have some pics posted up this weekend. I'm totally engulfed in my P-61 build right now but I should finish up my Jug this weekend. Besides, the Tamiya kit has been sitting there just aching to get built!

Hi Ed. Thanks. Yeah, the Pepsi throwback is very versitile. It's still a bit tacky this morning. I've got just a bit of sanding for the random dust bunny, but overall it went on without a hitch. Next is "Airframe Aluminum", most likely misted over with Duraluminum, except for some masked "new" panels. I am looking at 'dark aluminum' for the turbocharger outlet and lower panels over the exhaust. 'Aluminum' for the gun panels, and oh whatever else comes to mind... Almost...there... Looking forward to pics of that Black Widow...

Gamera - Yes. Sometimes a regular old toolbox hides some nifty modelling tools! (I just had to be careful not to torque down the vise grips too much! Surprise )

-Tom

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Posted by p38jl on Friday, February 3, 2012 8:59 AM

humm... thats interesting... Surprise

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, February 5, 2012 8:55 AM

Finally got the black on the wings last night! 

Hoping to shoot the NMF tonight...depends on aggressive I want to get with the polishing...

EDIT: with an image!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Monterey Bay,CA-Fort Bragg, NC
Posted by randypandy831 on Sunday, February 5, 2012 10:06 PM

got some work in. 

been working on this on N off for the past two months. 

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Monday, February 6, 2012 2:23 AM

Coming along nicely, Randy!

Had lots of fun out at the bench tonight...NMF time!

First, Airframe Aluminum...

Then, Aluminum with some Duraluminum in a few select areas...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Crawfordsville, Indiana
Posted by Wabashwheels on Monday, February 6, 2012 5:46 AM

Great stuff going on here guys.  The tips and info pouring out of this thread are the things that make this site great.  Keep  up the great work!   I'll humbly post a couple pictures this week.  I've got a start on my Academy -N model. I'll get up to speed with a few pics.  I'm far enough behind here that I'll be using some of the things you guys are to talking about to paint my NMF, thanks.    Rick.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, February 6, 2012 7:46 AM

Randy: Nice! The D is coming right along and your N is almost finished, really nice job there.

Doogs: Looking good sir!

 

Well I sprayed the first coat of airframe aluminum on the N last night. Didn't think to put the cap on the colour cup and poured some paint on the model Sad Cross your fingers I can sand it off and clean things up without much more extra work.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Houston, Texas
Posted by panzerpilot on Monday, February 6, 2012 9:37 AM

Looking good. Nice progress, guys!

-Tom

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