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Posted by Theuns on Friday, July 13, 2012 2:05 PM

Thanx mate, yes I have tried the rest -now i'll try the best!

I am just a little unsure on how to EXACTLY work with the Alclad, but will soon find out! LOL

Interesting the fit of my Jug is good, but not as good as the Academy 1/72 P-51B, that thing just falls together and the detail is superb! Having said that I am still enjoying the jug build though.

Theuns

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Posted by JOE RIX on Friday, July 13, 2012 12:32 PM

Theuns - Hey that's looking right nice so far. Especially for 1/72. Glad to have another person devirginizing themselves on Alclad. That's been especially rewarding for me in this build is working with Alclad for the first time. Lots of helpful tips here.

                                                 Joe

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Posted by Theuns on Friday, July 13, 2012 11:45 AM

Doogs here is my entry.

Academy 1/72 P-47 D .

As there are others here being built I will not bore you lads with the Sprue pix.

Academy 1/72 P-47

I will be trying my hab\nd at Alclad pollic\shed allu for the first time with this model.

Theuns

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Posted by taxtp on Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:21 AM

Thanks Doogs. That's what  i will be running with.

Cheers

Tony

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:18 AM

Tony - I can't speak to Eileen in particular, but a good number of the 56th FG's Jugs wore RAF paint. Think the reason is that at that point the aircraft were starting to come over in bare metal, but different groups either wanted or discovered they still needed camoflage for whatever reason (in Italy, a Luftwaffe attack on the airbases on Corsica made it super-necessary). With the bare metal, I'd imagine olive drab/neutral gray started to become scarce, but hey, the brits had to paint everything Dark Green/Ocean Gray/etc.

As for the cockpit, you're correct. Republic used Dull Dark Green. Best color I've found to match it is Model Master Euro Dark Green.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

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Posted by taxtp on Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:07 AM

I was going to build the Academy P-47D bubbletop using the kit decals for 'Eileen' as a nice, simple quick build. Then I start researching the scheme and find the discussion that it's not Olive Drab over Neutral Gray at all, but probably RAF Dark Green or even Medium Green over RAF Sky or possible Neutral Gray. Interesting, but not conducive to a quick build.

I also saw something in my travels about jug cockpits being a darker green than zinc chromate green, possibly something like medium green.

Any thoughts ? At this stage I'm thinking RAF Dark Green over Sky, as apparently the US colors were in short supply at the time they were adding field camo to the bare metal airframes.

It will make a nice contrast to the OD over NG ones, and also seems to agree with the two photos I've seen of this aircraft, where the color difference between the upper and lower camo seems too great for a standard camo scheme.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by stoutfella on Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:49 PM

NervousEnergy

 

Wow! That is just gorgeous work! Congratulations on a beautiful finish.

Cheers,

Stoutfella

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Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:11 PM

Is it too late to get in here?  I have the 1/48 Tamiya Razorback I'm itching to build.  

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, July 8, 2012 9:48 PM

Yeah great work there NE! Good luck with the 'swoosh'!!!

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Posted by JOE RIX on Sunday, July 8, 2012 5:22 PM

Absolutely Gorgeous finish Nervous. I can see now that I likely would have had better results had I applied a wee bit more patience.

                   Joe

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Posted by NervousEnergy on Sunday, July 8, 2012 12:27 PM

Latest pictures.  NMF mid and final stages.  Alclad II Airframe Aluminum over Mr Surfacer 1200 (thinned with leveling thinner) and Alclad Gloss Black Base.

Mid-stage - Airframe Aluminum 3 uber light coats plus duraluminum over the gun covers:

Final-stage - Regular Aluminum over inside wing panels and various panels / hatches in the fuselage, followed by a final 4th coat of Airframe Aluminum.  Didn't blend it much, but did bring the overall finish up to the correct level of silver (3 coats was too dark.)

 

I had the Grex dialed down to right at 10 PSI, just enough air to atomize the paint and not much else.  Took quite a while for each coat.  On a practical note, it's somewhat easier to paint during daylight hours with a lot of light bleeding through the blinds than it is under the lights.  You have to position the model just perfectly under the lights for each panel to see the AA coat going on and know where you've been, as each one is so thin and just barely brightens up the base.

Once it's down, though, it's just an incredible paint to use.  The pictures don't do it justice... you can't shave in the AA finish, but you can certainly see some reflections, and it looks exactly like polished new metal.  All that work with the micromesh over the Mr Surfacer comes to fruit, and it just looks glorious.  I used right at half a bottle of AA for all 4 coats, and it's a BIG model.  Used Kamoi tape, post-its, and some Tamiya for masking.  No issues at all with pull-up.

Much to my wife's amusement, we took a trip to Joanne's Fabrics and Crafts yesterday to pick up Artists Tape for Curves.  It was the only place in DFW to have any in stock, and I want to start masking the cowling today.  The above pictures and others I took will capture the finish just in case I totally bollox up the Red cowling and swoosh work.  Stick out tongue  That tape for curves is really promising, though... you can just flow it right around and it sticks where you want.  Now hopefully it won't pull up the AA...

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Posted by Theuns on Sunday, July 8, 2012 5:35 AM

With such a cool thread title I had to go and buy someting to build for it LOL!

Can I join with a 1/72 Academy Jug?

Theuns

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Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, July 7, 2012 4:40 PM

randypandy831

Doogs, what exact panels were a different shade? im trying to find info for my next project. thanks!

The P-47's tough to call on that. The gun bay doors, for one. The side panels just aft of the cowl flaps. The strips running aft of the waste gates. There was also some variation on the tail. Think a lot of it was just how different panels oxidized, since you see similar variations on OD jugs. 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

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Posted by randypandy831 on Saturday, July 7, 2012 4:30 PM

Doogs, what exact panels were a different shade? im trying to find info for my next project. thanks!

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

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Posted by taxtp on Saturday, July 7, 2012 6:21 AM

The very first model I ever built was a Frog P-47D in French markings. I'd love to reprise that some day with a better build and a more recent kit. I think the jug was used by some interesting smaller air forces post war too, I know I have some Brazilian decals somewhere.

Cheers

Tony

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Posted by randypandy831 on Friday, July 6, 2012 7:19 PM

french bird?

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, July 5, 2012 10:48 PM

Very cool Doogs- odd but cool mixture of OD green and NM there!

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, July 5, 2012 9:05 PM

randypandy831

where are you finding all these entrusting markings? love the magic carpet bird. i got more pics to add tomorrow. to lazy upload them. tamiya jug is a dream.

Agreed! I still contend Tamiya's P-47 might be the best 1/48 kit ever put into a box. Awesome detail, stupendous engineering, brilliant fit, not so many parts that you go batty, can be found for $30 if you look...

Where am I finding them? This one came about through Google - the D.520 I'm building for Vance's French GB reminded me of Richard's Free French P-47, which led me to this:

And Empire City Decals just happens to make a sheet...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

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Posted by randypandy831 on Thursday, July 5, 2012 9:01 PM

where are you finding all these entrusting markings? love the magic carpet bird. i got more pics to add tomorrow. to lazy upload them. tamiya jug is a dream.

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, July 5, 2012 8:33 PM

Well, looks like I may be back in P-47 land soon! Discovered some markings I'd never seen before today that'd make a great contrast with "Magic Carpet":

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Instead of the NMF wings and painted fuselage, it's got a NMF fuselage with olive drab upper wing surfaces (and an OD anti-glare strip)...

Got three on the bench that need tending first, but after that, it may be Jug time once again!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, July 5, 2012 8:28 PM

taxtp

I'm am reading these Alclad adventures with interest. I've only used it in a limited way so far, for some car chrome bits, never for a complete airframe, so your comments are invaluable to my learning curve.

Cheers

Tony

Alclad is some great stuff once you figure out it's tendencies! Looking forward to you getting into the weeds with it!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

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Posted by taxtp on Thursday, July 5, 2012 5:52 PM

I'm am reading these Alclad adventures with interest. I've only used it in a limited way so far, for some car chrome bits, never for a complete airframe, so your comments are invaluable to my learning curve.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by NervousEnergy on Thursday, July 5, 2012 12:48 PM

I'll drop by Hobby Lobby on the way home from work for some of that tape.  Did you have any issues with it pulling up Airframe Aluminum?  My tests with 'pre-stuck' tamiya tape have gone very well with no pullup, and I'd hate to screw up the finish now.

I used about half a bottle (so far) of Airframe Aluminum on this big beastie, and the upper half of the model is still a bit dark and underpainted after 3 super-light coats (bottom has 4 coats and looks perfect), but I plan on adding that fourth after going over the gun bay covers with duraluminum and a picking out a few odd other panels for regular aluminum.  The control surfaces are already white aluminum.  It does take a lot of paint to get anywhere, and you get the impression it's taking even more than it really is if you're doing lots of very light coats as it seems you just sit in front of the model for ages with the airbrush, but the end result is so very worth it.  

That Maketar group is great.  Thanks for the link.  I'll probably try my own masking for the swoosh, but I just bought some pre-stripped kabuki tape and a set of USAAF roundels.  They're cheaper than WarPigs masks, and I've had good luck with those for balkenkruze.  

Good tips on cowl masking.  Fortunately the main red ring of the 368th planes perfectly hits the second panel line ring on the Trumpeter kit, so the painted area is already correctly marked up.  Just got to make sure that's the only area to get paint on it!  I'm going to try making the basic red cowling ring first, then after that dries cut and apply swoosh curve masks and do it separately.  Kinda wished I'd tried painting that whole area red first then used positive masks to hide the correct shape in red and put NMF everywhere else, but that looked almost as difficult and with the added issue of potential obvious ridges along the red where the layers of gloss black and multiple coats of alclad built up over it.  

NMF in 1/32 is an excercise in stamina.  :-)  Looking incredible so far, though, and that makes it a ton of fun.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, July 5, 2012 9:23 AM

JOE RIX

Gamera - Yes indeed I did just slowly misted it on. Just slowly rotated the plane around on its dowel misting as I went. My one complaint about Alclad is that man, it sucks throught he airbrush in a hurry and thus one bottle doesn't seem to last long. I suppose a better base coat might help alleviate this a bit, along with getting the first initial coat on right.

                                       Joe

Hmmm, then I have no idea what happened before, very happy to see you've got matters in hand now though. And yeah it does go quick, I picked up one of the quart bottles of aluminum, hopefully it will last me a while.

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Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, July 5, 2012 7:43 AM

Gamera - Yes indeed I did just slowly misted it on. Just slowly rotated the plane around on its dowel misting as I went. My one complaint about Alclad is that man, it sucks throught he airbrush in a hurry and thus one bottle doesn't seem to last long. I suppose a better base coat might help alleviate this a bit, along with getting the first initial coat on right.

                                       Joe

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by JOE RIX on Wednesday, July 4, 2012 9:14 PM

Hey, Thank You Gents.

Taxtp - Looking forward not only to your build but, what scheme you decide on. Thanks for joining us.

Nervous - I did the masking around my cowling by overlapping a number of short thin pieces of Tamiya tape. I started off by taking a set of dividers and carefully measuring from the front of the cowling inward to where the paint edge is supposed to be. I made small pencil marks around the cowling and then taped along the marks. But I'm certainly going to order up some of the 3m tape Doogs mentioned. Sounds much easier and I'm into anything time saving and less labor intensive.

                                                       Joe

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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, July 4, 2012 1:55 PM

She looks really good Joe. REALLY Good!!! Keep it up buddy, you'll have a show winner at this rate.

                   

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:52 AM

Joe: Were you misting the Alclad on by stroking the airbrush over the model? However you did things the finish looks flawless now Yes

Tax: That looks great, I'm going to have to try one of the Academy kits one of these days.

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Posted by JOE RIX on Wednesday, July 4, 2012 7:22 AM

 It appears since the new formatting that I was not recieving email notifications when somebody posted on this thread. So, I figured there wasn't any activity going on. Yet, I get on to post an update and lo and behold there is a good bit of new activity. Glad to see it. Anyhow, after some trial and error I was able to prevent the blotchiness I was getting when spraying my Airframe Aluminum on by turning the air pressure up to 18-20 psi and then fully depressing the trigger on my airbrush. Thus, I was able to get a finish that I'm satisfied with. Overall Alclad Aircraft aluminum with Duraluminum on the flaps. Alclad gloss coat on and ready for decaling. I had considered masking and painting seperate panels in other various shades but given this is my first bout with an nmf and the time it has taken me to get this far I'm satisfied and ready to move on. Here a few pics of where I'm at right now.

                                            Joe

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Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, July 3, 2012 7:33 PM

NE - masking a ring around the P-47's cowl isn't so bad. Done it three times now and I'm getting better with every go!

Hobby Lobby sells a 3M tape called "Artist Tape for Curves"  that is excellent stuff for taping the weird curvature of the P-47 cowl. That's what I've used on all three of mine without problem or bleed-under.

BUT in the case of Slick Chick, with the ring turning into that swooshing thing, I'd consider looking into having a custom mask made. I've used Maketar to great success with the distinctive octopus markings on the PV-1s of VPB-133:

And I've actually had them make masks for a Ki-44 Tojo with a very similar cowl-to-fuselage swoosh:

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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