DIRT CAR GROUP BUILD, Cause we like em dirty

vetteman42

Thanks for the " How ya Done it " Wildchild will help out a bunch when I do the camero

Glad to help. may i make a suggestion though? if you are doing fenders or body panels that are on a short track car that have that "smashed, bent back, then hammered back into shape" look, use thick foil or soda can aluminum to replicate the body panels if at all possible...the dents look a milion times more realistic. just bent and tweak it a bunch of times (foil that is) or ball it up and unfod it gently and LIGHTY smooth it out so it still has some texture to it...it actually looks like dented metal because it is lol. much closer to scale thickness anyway.

just figured this might be helpful...its qute a bit of work but the end results are much more rewarding.

Good idea Wildchild I was trying to think of a way to make the plastic look like that but I think now that you mention it the foil would work much better.

Dont know if you all know about it but Revell has released a new sprint car kit, I thinks its a reissue with new decals. But later today I will know for sure as mine has come in at the LHS. Its the Kinser Bass Pro car.

vetteman42

Good idea Wildchild I was trying to think of a way to make the plastic look like that but I think now that you mention it the foil would work much better.

Dont know if you all know about it but Revell has released a new sprint car kit, I thinks its a reissue with new decals. But later today I will know for sure as mine has come in at the LHS. Its the Kinser Bass Pro car.

got mine on order already :) its the kinser car from the 90's (originally with his signature bright green quaker state car) and from what i hear there is little (if any) re-tooling. it will take some scratchbuilding and modifying to bring it up to modern sprint car spec...but thats the fun of modeling!

Just got back from the LHS with the new sprint car, same ole chassis. The hood sprue is new though, along with of course the decal set. The tires are blank in this kit, no manufacturer name is on them, but they did go back to the dulled chrome parts finish I like that. Oh and the wheels have been updated, but not the oil tank nor the seat.

I am not complaining just letting you all know.

does the dacal sheet come with either the Hoosier or Goodyear logos for the tires? and im having an idea here: i might just use the engine and driveline from that die cast sprint and graft it into the revellogram car when i get it. the "dull" chrome is actually a big plus, as most sprints dont have a "Chrome" look (except the wheels) on mosr parts like nerf bars. it looks more like polished steel or aluminum in reality. for anybody else is building this kit here are some pictures that may help in detailing. these pics are from a few years ago that i took at Cedar Lake Speedway when the world of outlaws paid their annual visit.

Cockpit of Kraig Kinser's car.

 one to help those that want to build a diorama base for a dirt car. yes, this is a DIRT track lol. looks very much like blacktop and just as hard too at the end of the night. the spots on the len that look like water are dirt and dust.

 had a TON of fun at these events. got autographs, free tires (they give them away after the races) some tear offs and stuff (not to mention the buzz from burning methanol lol) and got to spend some time with my grandpa.

Thanks for the reference pics Wildchild No the decal sheet doesnt have the tire logos on it. The wheels are dull plated too, the kit doesnt have any bright chrome parts in it. Too bad they didnt plate the exhaust, but then I think Kinsers were painted. 

I am thinking the nurf bars and such were powdercoated a light gray or maybe silver. Just cant see them polishing a throw away item like those. I never paid them much attention when I went to the races. If I remember I will take a close look when I go this season.

yeah i think Steves headers were black powder coated. i plan on making a "custom" sprint with the black rims like on kasey kahne's sprints. the nerfs like in the pictures are the ones i remember seeing the most...they look almost like just bare chromoly. the only ones that i ever remember seeing in a super bright finish that could actually pass for chrome are the ones around the fuel tank.

Yeah I would say the Nerf bars had to be powder coated because bare chromoly will rust in a heartbeat,( Used to work with chromoly a lot in the past) thats why I am thinking a light grey coat on them or maybe a dull silver. I am with you on the tail tank bumper I would swear some were chrome plated. A simple sprint car can be confusing cant it LOL

No kidding there, especially since ther are multiple wing, hood, rim, tire, and seats used on todays cars. everything is a bigger deal on a sprint because you can see ALL of it.

Got some painting done on my sprint car build today, but I had to brush paint it. I couldnt thin the color I wanted to use on the chassis.  Needs a second coat and hopefully that will go on tomorrow and pictures tomorrow evening.

picked my Kinser sprint up today and tore it open, anxious to see what was inside. looks pretty good overall, gonna need some modernization though. the only real nit-picks i have are:

1: if you look at the engine pic i posted, the chassis from the front of the cockpit forward will need som re-doing to turn it into a modern maxim.

2: im going to replace the tires (the right rear tire in m kit has a big indent in it) and engine on the kit from the die-cast i have if they scale up okay.

3: the seat is from (i assume) is the original kinser release, and is FAR from modern standards lol. the front wing is the 80s-90s-ish style too so i will add some bigger sail boards to the sides (like the pictures on the box)

4: no real complaints as fas as the quality of the decals, the only beef i have with them (as vetteman42 mentioned) is that there are no tire brand decals.........to Slixx! up! up! and away! lol

going to be a fun buils i think. will post pics once i get rolling.

Wildchild yeah the chassis is all wrong, in fact the chassis is wrong in all the releases of the kit. It is a 1984 or 85 gambler chassis. I have been drawing chassis templets for sprints in 1/24 scale and am just about finished with the 1990 Gambler which was the first one Gambler did with the down tube as a standard. Next up will be a Maxum chassis, should have that one done in a few weeks or so.

Ok guys here is a small start on my build the 1/24 Monogram Pennzoil Sprint Car. First up is the box art.

Here is the chassis all cleaned up and painted.

Bright aint it

"starting on the inside of row 3, piloting the Elden Racing number 22 Pennzoil machine, all the way from Wooster Ohio, THE WILD CHILD Jac Haudenschild" this is how i got the nickname "wild child" from my grandpa....Haud has been my favorite driver since i first saw the outlaws race when i was 5 or 6 (in this car i might add....or at least this scheme, was a newer chassis for sure though) he wound up over the fence that night and i've loved him since lol. i think sooner or later that i will get another car and try to print off some decals in this scheme:

i dont own this photo (as the name in the bottom indicates) but this is easily my favorite Jac Haudenschild car. a pretty mean scheme in my opinion.

Nice vibrant yellow on the chassis there!

Hummmm Wildchild might have to do a game of lets make a deal if you do that set of decals man.

OK I am slow building I wasn't kidding when I took that title ya know. OK I got sidetracked geeze, anyway I decided I do not like the rear axle in these revell kits. So I made me one out of aluminum and brass tubing and its the correct length too, the Revell axle is a bunch too narrow. I will say I do like the kit quick change housing though Here are a couple of pictures of my axle, they are even have the splines on them.

And in the housing

Built this one some years ago when Jac was still driving the Pennzoil car.  Had the All Star sprints in February at a local track ( East Bay Raceway, Gibsonton FL) during speed weeks . Actually during the same week as the Daytona 500 . 

 Anyway, I was about to start building this kit and since they're pretty fragile to be carrying around during a night at the races, decided to assemble and bring just the wing for an autograph. Pretty cool . One of my faves in "Howard's Garage" 

Howard

That is way cool Howard !!!!!!!!! From what I can see of it looks like it belongs in Howard's Garage.

Wow page 3 ?? Need to post something geeze.

So I will post a few WIP pictures, got the axle painted and in for a test fit. To make that easier I cut off the torque tube and glued the axle to the quick change housing so I could slide the inboard brake and all in as a unit, then made a new torque tube from 1/8 aluminum tube and slid that in and attached it all together. The photoetch brake and bird cage kits came from Dirtmodeler, really nice stuff too.

Slowly but its getting there

i was thinkin about getting the dirt late model chassis directions and body panel kits from dirtmodeler and giving that project a stab, but i have yet to find a place that makes 1/24-1/25 DLM tires since dirtmodeler doesent have them anymore. i think im going to get their Kirkey (i think) racing seat for my sprint car. i should be back to slingin styrene in a week or two, so hopefully it wont be too long before i get some pics up.

Regards, Logan.

Wildchild heres a link to an outfit that makes tires simular to the DM ones.

http://www.bigdonkeyresin.com/index.html

Another update and a bump is in order it seems Got the rear end with all the goodies but the torsion arms and shocks on. Looks much much better than the kit offering me thinks

looks WORLDS better than what the kit offers lol. will this have the jacobs ladder suspension as well?  and if you are building a more modern car (it escapes me as to what you said you were building) the tires will have to be replaced with more modern looking "square lug" tires.... i have a set of modern (2002 style) hoosier tires off a diecast that i am going to use. if i can find somebody who casts their own stuff in resin i was going to try and arrange for some copies to be made for future builds.

Great lookin work so far!

Wildchild sorry took so long getting back, life and illness has gotten in the way it seems. Yes the car will have a jacobs ladder, back in the day we called the ladder watts linkage. This car will be from the mid to late 80s so these tires should be right for that period. Only trouble is these tires are Good Years and they used Hoosier here on the west coast. Will have to leave them blank or find some decals for them. This car I am building as a learning project and calling it the Robco house car so I do have room to play a bit. I have done some work on the shocks and have them roughed out waiting to finish up the torsion arms so I can fit them all together. The jacobs ladder will go on last and is ready. 

My next sprint car will be the #3 JFK car driven by Jimmy Oskie that ran at Ascot in mid to late 70s and will have hand grooved good year drag slicks on the rear, I believe on the front they used McCarney ( spelling ? ) but will have to check. The plan is to scratch build the chassis, the JFK car had a Maxwell chassis and the Gambler kit chassis just plain wont work

ahhhh i gotcha. yeah hoosier is the mainstay up here in the northwoods too, goodyear is much more expensive from what i hear and really does not improve much. hmmmm... not sure ive ever heard of McCarney tires...heard of McCreary though. i wasnt around in the 70's or 80's (although i'd probably fit in better with most of the older generations from that time than i do with my own lol) so i missed alot of the old sprints. although i do still get to see some of the vintage late models and what yould be modern day street stock and super stock cars run locally.

also, you mentioned hand grooving on those slicks, its a good thing you did! i forgot that i need to do that on my tires for my sprint. i havent really sarted much on my kit (trying to get the derby car done first) but i will be getting into it full swing pretty soon hopefully.

if you want Hoosier tire logos, go to slixx. they have a sheet thats just tire logos (hoosier and good year) for, i think, around eight bucks.....you should be able to to 9 or 10 tires (two logos on one side wall) for each brand with that sheet.........either that or get Revells "limited edition" '69 nova kit....comes with 4 Hoosier logos......and an AWESOME kit lol.

Regards, Logan

Yeah I meant McCreary tires n the front. The CRA ran Firestone drag slicks on the rear up to the mid 80s I believe  was when they switched to Hoosier rears. I will check out slixx decals thanks, gotta find some Firestone logos too. What sprint car are you planning to build ?

Anyway heres a picture of the hand grooved slicks I have been talking about

And the JFK car I want to build. I can tell ya JFK made some of the best machine shop tooling around and still does.

Youre welcome! Slixx may have Firestone decals too, but im not sure. the only reason i remembe rtht they have Hoosier decals is because its one of two places that have them (the other was Freds Resin Workshop, and i believe he has closed down)

My sprint is going to be a modernish (2005-2012 style) car with custom graphics...just a "if i made it to the WoO series i'd want my car to look like this) kinda thing. witht the parts i tool from the diecast car i wont have to get much AM stuff. i'm kinda cheating lol, i scrounged a fully wired and plumbed engine w/modern radiotor, better rear and, modern rims and tires (with two "mud plugs"), seat with PE belt buckles, and a more appropriatly shaped and sized fuel cell and rear nerf bars from the Action diecast. it was Danny Lasoski's #20 MOPAR car from when he ran for Tony Stewart. I just can't bring myself to build a Kinser car that isnt green lol, plus i'd rather add a little creativity and a look that hasnt been seen before to a project, ya know?

thats interesting: on the #3 car, the cage appears to go all the way around the driver, not open on the left side like modern sprints.

Regards, Logan

pretty cool article to check out here: http://www.billroseracing.com/

this guy is running full-time with the World of Outlaws, while having a full time job and has only one crew guy on his car. pretty neat story if you ask me, takes a tough person to do that IMHO.

That is a cool article Wildchild thanks for sharing it. Yeah the JFK car was a Maxwell chassis nothing like the gambler most are used to. I am trying to make scale drawings of a number of vintage chassis but pictures of uncovered cars can be hard to come by let alone blue print type drawings.

Anyway time for some WIP pictures, got the rear end all finished up less wheels at this point and got the engine in with scratched vintage velocity stacks and a wired mag.

And a close up of the stacks

Looking very nice there Randy. Sprint cars are so cool because from the ground up, they look and feel like hot rod race cars . Pure function, to go fast!

I haven't forgotten about my Chevell. Be getting it going as soon as I finish the C-47.

Howard

Thanks Howard. To me sprint cars and super modifieds are the real dirt cars, although I like watching any thing they run in the dirt.

Hey I know life has gotten in the way Howard so no worries buddy, there is plenty of time.

vetteman42 im going to be sidelined for six weeks just when i got back to building, i decided to help my uncle get his mud truck going. well my hand that i broke during football season (and was never allowed to heal properly because i only left the cast on for 3 weeks instead of 6... ) slipped off a ratchet handle and smoked the transfer case.... the bone is re-broke and encased in fiberglass from nearly my elbow down to the base of my middle fingernail....... and i cant build with one hand, i already tried. i will stay in the build if thats alright with you, but it will be a while before i actually am able to do much...unless i trim a lil bit off the cast (insert evil laugh here lol)

Regards, Logan