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Posted by gunner_chris on Monday, April 9, 2012 7:10 AM

Been a little absent lately but the M109 is green!

Not a lot of time available this week so I may only get the masks done up for the NATO camo pattern.

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Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, April 3, 2012 5:46 AM

Doog,

War is the enemy of art. If you don't know the interior color - wing it. I think British racing green would be nice. Or maybe a really deep yellow.

M-12 tracked and chipped. Attach tools, couple of washes and some mud left. I'm under time pressure unfortunately. Got to start the migration to Minnesota in a few days. I had thoughts of scratch building a bunch of junk to stick on the thing. Next time.

Eric

 

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Posted by iraqiwildman on Monday, April 2, 2012 8:25 AM

I am going with flat white on the interior of my Bishop. The Brits use aluminum pigments until early 1942, then switched to white. I believe most Bishops were built after this switch. They were also getting a lot of Lend-Lease stuff that was white inside.

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Monday, April 2, 2012 2:22 AM

Eric - the M10 is looking mighty pretty. Big fan of the oil dot filtering you've got going on there.

Regarding ships (last thread hijack on this I promise!), I took a look at the Mikasa - fascinating subject - but the reviews I saw were a bit more over the map. Though...I did break down and order Zvezda's Dreadnought tonight. Amazingly, Great Models still had it, and 40% off no less. The North Carolina's going up for sale - it's disheartening to read that a company's 1/700 version of a ship is considered superior to its 1/350...so for now the Dreadnought's going to be the only BB in the stash. 

On to the Bishop...Started flipping through the instructions tonight and yeesh! So many sub assemblies, and so much of the thing will be opened up (fighting compartment doors flung wide, driver's compartment kinda visible from within, opened up engine) that I'm going to have to learn how to pre-paint and assemble after the fact.

One big glaring issue with the Bishop kit - there are NO call-outs for interior paint. Anybody happen to know how they were painting the interiors of British armor in 1942?

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

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Posted by EBergerud on Sunday, April 1, 2012 5:56 AM

Another step farther in my latest crime against scale modeling. The m-10 has just gotten a oil dot fade. US Armor Steve Zaloga makes an interesting point: many US AFVs that fought in 1944 had been sitting around for at least a year outside. All M10s were built in 43 so it would have at least a year and a half. And, again Zaloga speaking: US tankers, unlike German, didn't carry paint: that was all done in the rear and probably not done unless there was damage. That means a well used US AFV would have had a definite fade in the finish. (Zaloga uses yellow for the areas most exposed to the sun.) Anyway, I like the effect of the dot fade - it's heavy on white and ochre. But when added to the heavy preshade, three shades of Olive Drab all salted, the finish looking both faded and kind of mottled. Still haven't done any chipping or washes. And then pigments. But it's getting there.

Doog: even though you talked me into the Zvezda LA-5 I bear you no malice. Just for a kick, check out the reviews for the 1/350 Hasegawa Mikasa. You'll see stuff like "greatest ship model ever made." I've got the kit and is certainly looks very good indeed. Be about $100 with the full PE - although I think she could be made with generic railings. I agree that it's neat to model something that made some history. One review noted that the UN recently added a "ship" category to their "world treasure" list: the three that made the cut were HMS Victory, USS Constitution and Mikasa. Good company.  Mikasa was the most heavily engaged Japanese ship in both the Battle of Yellow Sea and Tsushima. And she fought during that brief moment of time when the steam powered battleship was genuinely queen of the seas. No anti-aircraft work for this old lady. (Which isn't bad: a late WWII BB has countless fiddly flak pieces. Rigging isn't that much different between the eras. The amount of rigging up on a ship varied greatly with circumstance so a basic rig isn't that bad: easier than the Pup. The idea of doing a resin 350 scale BB does not make me warm and fuzzy.

Eric

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, April 1, 2012 2:21 AM

Eric - yeah I built AFV's Achilles about a year ago...definitely a bittersweet experience. The kit itself was rather "meh"...and the forest of ejector pin marks on the outside of the hull and turret counterweight were inexcusable IMO. Though I have to admit, I have a huge fondness for "Britishized" American armor - the Firefly and Achilles with the QF 17-pounder in particular.

The Bishop's a pretty different beast, and the kit is all kinds of ridiculous in terms of complicated. I washed the sprues today, and here's a look at them all laid out:

The quality looks pretty phenomenal...definitely a step up from what AFV put into the Achilles and in line with Tasca and the best from Dragon. Now...will it fit? That'll be the rub, since I'm going to have to build, paint, build, rinse and repeat, the way this thing goes together.

As for ships...basically the more I read, the more I became convinced that tackling the NC kit as a '42 Washington was just beyond my reach. That and...the kit looks very pretty, but when you start messing with it, things don't fit. The upper hull is warped, spread too wide at the top, and just not the kit I think I should pursue for my first ship in 20 years! The Laffey looks far more manageable...and honestly my disappointment with the NC is such that I may sell her and one day suck it up and throw down for the Yankee Modelworks Washington. She's a sweet kit, but pricey...

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, March 30, 2012 11:49 PM

BTW, the first of the PE frets for the AS-90 has arrived, just waiting on the one with all the tiedowns, holders, caps and handles n'all...'

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, March 30, 2012 11:36 PM

Eric -- interesting you mention Tamiya's Yamato retool, I was looking at one about two hours ago, and had no idea they'd retooled it until I found ouit that's why the old tool was going cheap. It's a tad cheaper here, two hundred something, and has two PR frets, but no railings, so there's still that AM aspect required.

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Posted by EBergerud on Friday, March 30, 2012 11:21 PM

Didn't you build an Achilles a while back with about 1,000 parts? Maybe I'm in a haze. Brit armor didn't set the world afire in WWII (great since, when they didn't need it) but excelled in funk appeal. (l almost bought a DML Bison simply because it was so ugly.) All those rivets. I fee a need for a Cruiser even though was a truly poor tank. I did score a Staghound - all those rivets. Look forward to your build.

Was on your site. I've just finished selling off my 1/72 aircraft collection. I'm not going to get a 1/32 (outside of biplanes) because I want uniformity and find 1/48s make a very nice size for fancy painting and weathering. Display space is a real issue too: going to have to start shooting some of my older offerings very soon. I'd like your LA7 but after just buying 4 Hasegawa IJ planes from GreatModels there's an absolute freeze on the stash.

See you've found the Trumpie NC less than a hit. Don't think it has a lot of fans at Shipmodeller. One of the best in the business, Ed McDonald, did a 42 Washington out of it, but he gets paid. (The USS Washington Association has one of his models for display.) And listed about 40 changes required - some not trivial. And Trumpie, like Academy, is a little Jeckyll/Hyde. Sounds like NC was Hyde. (That's the bad guy, Jeckyll is the good guy - lots get it mixed up.) I did their KV-2 and it was a terrific kit: might get the KV-1 to go with it. I've got the Laffey and it appears to be a very nice kit although I think generic fitting will suffice for it. Surprising how small a 350 scale DD is. Initial reviews on Zvezda's Dreadnought have been pretty good, although I'm not sure how you'd handle torpedo nets. The BB I have and really look forward to is Hasegawa's Mikasa. It's absolutely tops: like a WingNut kit. Almost too pretty to build. This opinion is held by the Shipmodeler crowd. I'm taking a crack at Oregon (an ancient 225 scale thing) next and am going to weather it bigtime. So I think I'll make Mikasa as it was delivered to Japan - nice and clean sporting black as a major color.  And the PE sets are reasonably priced. (I have a Bronco 1890s BB and it also looks really sweet - complete with PE. Don't understand why more ship companies don't do that. Tamiya's put out a $300 new tool Yamato and I don't think it has railings. Dragon's big Scharnhorst doesn't. Let's both hope Laffey turns out a little more benign than DML's Scharnhorst and Independence - both get kudos from detail fans, both are supposed to be a tough slog.)

Eric

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, March 30, 2012 4:54 PM

Sure thing Doogs, welcome aboard!

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Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, March 30, 2012 4:30 PM

Hey Mike - will you put me down for Bronco's 25-pdr Bishop? Not sure when I'll kick it off - but I've got a goal of having it done for the Austin show in September, so probably soon-ish.

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Posted by iraqiwildman on Friday, March 30, 2012 4:04 PM

Looks good so far Eric.

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:34 PM

Looking great, Eric! She's going to be a beauty!

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Posted by EBergerud on Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:18 PM

Little progress report on the Academy M-12. First is a pic of the completed build minus tracks and tools. Second is the said kit primed with Golden Carbon Black - the blackest black in blackdom. Next is the kit undergoing salt treatment. The last shot is at it stands with the base coat salted and complete. Actually I'm pretty pleased. I'm after a heavy weather here and the surface is properly irregular - which I want - before any detail painting, washes, dot filters or anything. Just different shades of salted base over the black prime. We'll see.

Eric

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:23 PM

Lookin' good GC! I love to see a model at this stage, before the paintjob goes on,. it's almost like a ghost of what it'll become!

One of the PE frets for the AS-90 has come into stock, the grill set, and I should be picking it up in a couple of days.

Cheers, M/TB379 (whose PhD has finally come through -- phew!)

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Posted by gunner_chris on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:28 PM

Most of the M109 is assembled and primed.  The track wheels are drying now, along with the 50 cal.

Hopefully this week it will progress from grey to green!

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Posted by macattack80 on Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:33 PM

Eric, I will have to ditto what both Thunderbolt and Iraqiwildman said.  These kits seem to be reasonably priced and go on sale often.  Gonna have to buy one or two.

My Stryker has been in a holding pattern for a bit.  I got 3 builds going which is a lot for me.  I try to spend a night or 2 on one build and then moving on to the next for a night or 2.  The Stryker is next on rotation.

Kevin

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Posted by iraqiwildman on Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:36 AM

Eric, that is a great little history of the M12.

I do agree with you about the powder residue on the barrell. I spent 11 years in the Feild Artilley and you would never see this in real life, but it looks cool on a model. I do not like the heavy dry-brushing, reminds me of the 1970 and 80 look.

I am looking forward to watching how you dirty up this gun.

Tim Wilding

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:53 AM

Wow, Eric, I think you've convinced me I need to add one of these to my stash! I'll be following the build closely and watching your mud take shape, as mud will be a new adventure for me too sometime in the near future.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by EBergerud on Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:35 AM

Thought I'd check in. I think SPA and I'm thinking mean and ugly. So I bought an Academy M-12 just for this build. I may turn it into another crime against the hobby of scale modelling, but the object it represents is mean and ugly. The M-12 was a 155mm howitzer stuck on a M-3 Lee in lieu of its two turrets. The Army didn't plan to use it but on a whim sent a few to Italy. They soon found out that having a mobile 155mm was most helpful in a pinch, so about 100 served with armored corps in the NW France in 1944-45. The US Army did not lack for artillery - indeed, as the war went on towed 155mm batteries proliferated and were supported by even nastier things like the 240mm "Black Dragon" which earned a fearsome reputation among Wehrmacht gunners. However, as the drive across France started the US armor began running into strong points that couldn't be taken out by the standard Sherman 75mm (a very good support weapon) or the wonderfully adaptable and numerous 105mm Priest. The M-12 only carried ten rounds which meant a tracked ammo carriage was usually required to make it worthwhile: in practice two vehicles, not one. It also fired a 100 lb projectile: three times the weight of the Priest's 105. And, because it was armored, it was very capable of employing direct fire. This proved very valuable during the fighting along the Siegfried Line and later when very powerful concrete bunkers were commonly encountered. One was used against Peiper's tanks during the Ardennes - which no doubt left some confused tankers - if any lived. The M-12 was so useful that the Army developed the M-40 which arrived late for the ETO dance but appeared in Korea.

It shows the confidence the US had in it's undeniably good indirect fire system that the Army didn't forsee the need for a large number of armored 155s. The Germans deployed about 400 Hummels which carried a similar gun. (But only about 800 Wespes which their answer to the nearly 4,000 US Priests - and that doesn't count what the UK was using. As all US artillery was mobile, one can see why the Germans found it very dangerous business fighting the Americans. One thing did not change between the two world wars - artillery killed and wounded the most soldiers. And no matter what defects in the Sherman, or US armor doctrine in general (it was very good in many ways actually), US artillery was the gold standard of WWII. The M-12 was simply a rather visible manifestation.

The Academy kit has been very well reviewed. In general I agree. The part count (about 300) is about where I like it. In most cases fit was very good. Detail I think is perfectly adequate. (There's even an interior which I plan to display.) When you got to the "fiddly" bits I found myself appreciating Dragon. Many of the small parts were attached with far too much plastic. The biggest problem was caused by my inability to anticipate weak points in a kit. The rear end of the vehicle is held on with a elaborate set of wire and pullies. It's exactly things like this where that splendid Dragon precision shines and Academy doesn't. Both the pulles and the housings were a little too thick. Had the instructions advised against gluing the pullies into their housings - which was not necessary - things would have been okay. Done that way, thread would have slide right through I think. I should have seen that and I didn't. Academy should have seen it and they didn't. Driver error with extraneous circumstances. The result is that the thread that emulates the wire is not going to fit through the pullies: the glue shut the passage. The only way to have fixed it would have been to dismantle them: I tried one but it was most obvious that the parts would disintegrate. I'll figure out a "kludge" that will work perfectly well (haven't decided what: it'll be the last thing done) but this problem marred what would have been a very nice build. Better modelers will no doubt not have the problem. I'd certainly recommend this kit. I'm on the look-out for a Kursk Tiger I and don't think DML makes one. If not, Academy does. It's tempting. Not sure about the tracks because they're not on. 

Some pics. First, lets check out the M-12 as it existed in 1944 in NW Europe:

   

My land-lady in Berlin in 1972 would have described that vehicle as "sehr, sehr schmutzig." Might translate that as untidy beyond description but it sounds wonderful auf Deutsch. (My wife still uses the phrase - usually in reference to someplace I'm camped.) Below are some very nicely done versions of the M-12:

If anyone's still with me, the "Academy" photo shows a weathering style that reminds me of Tony Greenland. It also raises a serious question of how to paint and weather the barrel: note the smoke rings around each section. It looks good and makes the point. But I'm not sure it's right. Unfortunately, I've never fired an artillery piece. I'd guess that you'd see grease and grime around the sections of the barrel but not powder residue. If anyone knows, I'd appreciate a heads up. 

Then there's this build. If I could ever make a model this good, I would die happy:

Lastly, we've got one of where my M-12 is of this moment. The build is done although the tools and tracks are off and the wheels stuck on with Pledge - my favorite temporary adhesive - for priming. The hatches are closed with Pledge but will be displayed open all around.

Frankly, I'm not at all sure what to do from here on. I want this cute little guy to look as though it was shelling German positions in late 44 or early 45. So we're talking fall/winter 44-45. NW Europe is incredibly fertile and it is so because it gets so much rain. In fall that means sleet and snow. The soil is also very rich: I know that kind of land from some of the primo farm lands of southern Minnesota and northern Iowa in the general neighborhood of the Mississippi. The stuff is dense, thick, and usually dark. The stuff sticks to man or machine like sludge. No question, this kit is going to get some heavy weather. Just not sure what. Time to look around this list and others. I'll check AK's new forum and look again at some of Mig Jimenez and Adam Wilder's DVDs. My inclination would be to start with a prime of Golden carbon black which leaves a surface blacker than anything I've seen: Floquil Engine Black, Tamiya Flat or NATO Black, Gunze Black: blacker than Stalin's soul. But maybe not. The new deal in "modulation" from what I can gather is to prime in gray and than add a very dark kind of preshade and then start to build up lighter and lighter. I haven't even decided which OD to use. Tamiya's is a good color (US armor wizard Steve Zaloga is a fan) although if the color samples I have of US OD are right, a batch I made out of neutral grey, ochre and sepia is closer to the money. And I have two Vallejos, and two Gunze ODs. We'll have a "paint-out" on stock tomorrow. 

I'll check in soon.

Eric

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, March 12, 2012 4:11 PM

Excellent -- will make sure p1 is fully up to date!

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Posted by Buffirn on Monday, March 12, 2012 10:42 AM

Thunderbolt379

Double-checking, Jim, around March 1st for your completion date? This is the M44, right -- what was the scale and manufacturer? A 1:32 Renwal product from the 60s?

Cheers, Mike/TB379

March 1st for completion

I think it is the M-44 8" howitzer.

The scale is 1/32

Revell re-issue of Renwal kit from the 60's

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:43 PM

Double-checking, Jim, around March 1st for your completion date? This is the M44, right -- what was the scale and manufacturer? A 1:32 Renwal product from the 60s?

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:37 PM

No probs, Jim, I thought you might want to take some with final details added or whatever. I'll mark this one as done and get her onto the wall.

Chjers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by Buffirn on Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:30 PM

Thunderbolt379

Jim -- if you can post some shots of the M44, I'll git her onto the honour wall! Great going, and I'm sure we're all looking forward to seeing that classic Atomic Canon go together!

Look on the bottom of page 5.  Those are the best pictures I have.

Jim

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Posted by macattack80 on Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:46 AM

MIke,  The characteristics of the coating is the color.  It ranges from red to blue depending on the angle in which you are looking at it.

I believe the stickers from AFV Club simulates that to some degree.  If not, well, it will be easier than painting them. Big Smile

Jim, Mike is right.  We are all looking forward to the Atomic Canon.

Kevin

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:03 PM

Kevin -- what characterises the anti-laser coating? Is it a different tone/hue to the appearance of the periscopes? Yep, she's definitely an intimidating animal!

Jim -- if you can post some shots of the M44, I'll git her onto the honour wall! Great going, and I'm sure we're all looking forward to seeing that classic Atomic Canon go together!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by Buffirn on Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:26 AM

Mike,

I'm gonna call my M-44 complete.  I did the touch ups I thought were necessary but they don't show up in the photos.  Probably my photography skills letting me down.  BTW, the scale is 1/32.

 

So, that means I can start on that Atomic Cannon when I get back from vacation.

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Posted by macattack80 on Saturday, March 10, 2012 7:35 AM

Thunderbolt379

Wicked is the word! The mobility of a wheeled chassis and the punch of a gun like that must make this a formidable weapon system. I gotta add one of these myself one day!

M/TB379

I would not want to be at the business end of this AFV.  Just seeing something like this roll up on the battlefield should be some kind of deterrent.

I ordered some of the AFV Club Anti-Laser Coating stickers for the periscopes.  They should add some nice realism.

Kevin

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, March 9, 2012 9:38 PM

Wicked is the word! The mobility of a wheeled chassis and the punch of a gun like that must make this a formidable weapon system. I gotta add one of these myself one day!

M/TB379

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