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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:50 PM

Bish , no problem . Thanks for informing about Marc'c post .

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Posted by armor86 on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:29 PM

Hey any guess what's loaded on the 732 photo side hull ... modeling that vehicle. Armor86

 


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Posted by taxtp on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:10 PM

Many thanks for the photos Jack, they are really useful ,and at least I can be sure that whatever I do is reasonable.

I have one further question. What's a good colour to use to lighten up Tamiya Panzer Grey a little ?

Buff ?

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:18 PM

armor86

Hey any guess what's loaded on the 732 photo side hull ... modeling that vehicle. Armor86

Hmmmmm ...........Hmm.............???

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:42 PM

Here I am alive and kickin'.   Haven't started the repaint yet on the KT.  Still not sure what route i am going to take. 

Everyone is turning out some pretty impressive work.

Marc  

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:45 PM

Toast

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Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:24 AM

Tony - buff I think is a warm colour (depending on brand?), so it should work well to lighten up panzer grey.  The ratio is your choice, keeping in mind what other finishing techniques you plan to employ.

armor86 - Tiger # 732 was also numbered 132 before it was attached to 10th Panzer Div.  

Scroll down this web page http://www.tiif.de/thread.php?threadid=11&sid=96a393f5488bdb12dd98b888a1c38759 till you reach Tiger 132 for a bunch of photos.  In that set there are some examples with a camou netting on the side you asked about, but I can't say for sure this item continued to be carried when it was attached to 10th Pz.Div. (no netting  on photos of the other 700 series numbered tanks either).

regards,

Jack

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:03 AM

Shellback

 

Shellback:  I really like how the primer effect is coming along!Yes....but I'm scratching my headTongue Tied a bit on this picture though.  I can't seem to figure out what might/ would've created this level of scratching and divots behind the mufflers.  Not saying it couldn't have happened just wanted to raise the question...food for thought...Smile Burger

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Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:11 PM

SMJ - I was thinking similar (Carl hope this doesn't appear as ganging up on you).  Also some of the gouges appear deep enough to create shadows, so in those spots I figure the metal would be exposed?

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:29 PM

Steve and Jack , i'm honored that you guys are looking at my model and noticing things like the gouges .Course , what choice do you have when i'm taking pics with the lense right up against the surface of the model like these are .Camera Guess thats the point of my close ups . I want to show the detail ...good or bad . 

Good question though . I,m going to say its due to an over zealouse sesion of gouging the surface and then on top of that too much red primer pigment applied . Lets ride this thing out and see what it looks like with more weathering .

Thanks for the discusion .Beer

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:50 PM

Ok, i applied the decals over a surface of Future , resprayed them with more Future  a few days ago and as to be expected the edges show up .

 

This was no surprise so i used my standard method of eliminating most of the ridge . After a couple of coats of Future to build up the coverage i DRY sand the the future with 600 grit wet/dry sand paper .

 

About here i respray another coat of Future so i do not penetrate into the the decal or paint .

 

After that coat i sand it again untill it looks like this .

 

Then a final coat of Future to eliminate the sanding marks .

It takes a good 3 -4 days , mostly waiting for the Future to cure hard enough to sand . I'm in no hurry . I've found that hurrying things along will cause more delays and frustration than its worth . I emphasive DRY sanding because like a dope i tried wet sanding Future once and guess what .............? The Future  is not water resistant and it desolved ............that was a mess !

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Posted by treadwell on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:35 PM

Looks great, Shell Smile

Yeah, I have been lurking a bit...Smile... I know you have great patience, and your end result is great, but just FYI, you can achieve the same result withTestors dull coat shot through your AB.. it dries much faster. with a little heat from a blow dryer , in seconds and you can get the depth to cover the decal and sand wet or dry... try it on some scrap some time....The builds of this GB are mighty fine !....wish I could be along for the ride,  love your KT man.

treadCool

   

 

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:58 PM

Thanks William for the input . Good to know you have been lurking around here . After seeing the results you get i'm sure that the Dullcote technique works well . The problem i have with dullcote is the rough overspray build up in corners ..............you must have a way of dealing with that ?

Started the weathering with a wash of artist oils .

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Posted by jgeratic on Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:27 AM

Shellback

Good question though . I,m going to say its due to an over zealouse sesion of gouging the surface and then on top of that too much red primer pigment applied . Lets ride this thing out and see what it looks like with more weathering .

Thanks for the discusion .Beer

Can you tell us if the gouging you did was to represent texture of the cast iron or is it battle damage, or both? 
Nice tutorial for eliminating decal edges.  I have to say the final close up, with the turret all  glossed up, it could easily pass as a museum photo of the real deal - very cool.
regards,
Jack

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, November 15, 2012 5:37 AM

Carl that's looking really awesome.  I love the edge you achieved on he camo  Is that free hand or did you mask that with silly putty or similar?  

 

I too do that dealing sanding thing but have not had a problem with sanding the Future.  And I am not waiting days.  I try to reach new levels of impatience at all timesWhistling

Marc  

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Posted by pyrman64 on Thursday, November 15, 2012 6:59 AM

Carl: your KT is looking great!  Bow Down

Greg H

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:49 AM

Carl: Yeah, really nice work there, love how she's coming out. The dings with the primer showing though look really cool.

Guys, sorry for the lack of updates, I thought I had the tracks all ready to install and now somehow nothing wants to fit. Got kinda ticked off and had to walk away from the thing for awhile.

Was musing about grabbing the rubber band treads off an old Tamiya kit and just using them... Whistling More I think about it I must have did something wrong when I assembled the Dragon treads. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:03 AM

Guys:  Tiger I Mid completed:  I used these photos as my inspiration:

Here's how she turned out...

...and one last one with the figure:

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:49 AM

WOW!!! Indifferent

Beautiful work on the Tiger and fantastic job on capturing the photo! The mud looks just perfect and the damage you did to the storage bins looks great!

Bow Down

 

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Posted by pyrman64 on Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:05 AM

SMJ: HOLY CRAP! Bow Down  Like......WOW!!  Wow  Absolutely stunning work.....  The whitewash and weathering are superb. And I luv the base.

I think I need to go lie down....

Greg H

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:28 AM

Amazing work as always Steve. The weathering is perfect without being too overdone. The whitewash turned out equally well. Thanks for partaking. Maybe you can get another build done? Wink

Carl, continued great work brother. This has been a treat to watch come together. Beer

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Posted by malone duke on Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:29 AM
Smj- that beast is freaking awesome.

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Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:31 AM

Steve-that is a fantastic build-I love the weathering.  Job well done....Bow Down

Bob

 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:50 AM

Carl, thats looking great, and a nice tip for the decals. I don't mind stuff that i have to leave to one side as it gives me time to get other bits done. How long do you leave the future before sanding.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:51 AM

Steve, i think its been a while since i saw one of your completed armour builds. Well worth the wait. Thats stunning.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:40 PM

Steve - OH MY GAWWWD!!! That is absolutely outstanding. Not only is your Middie simply fantastic your skills, especially your weathering, are just muy excellento. Thank you so much for sharing with us. I do hope you stick with us and build another.

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:53 PM

pyrman64

SMJ: HOLY CRAP! Bow Down  Like......WOW!!  Wow  Absolutely stunning work.....  The whitewash and weathering are superb. And I luv the base.

I think I need to go lie down....

 

In the interest of saving time I'll just go with that. Yes

Marc  

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:28 PM

Steve , man what a beaut !!! Absolutely great weathering . Everything looks spot on ! I wish you would have taken more step by step pics and walked us thru them . You techniques have worked out very well .

I was thinkng about this picture for the completed g.b. models . Ok ?

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:47 PM

jgeratic1

Shellback

Good question though . I,m going to say its due to an over zealouse sesion of gouging the surface and then on top of that too much red primer pigment applied . Lets ride this thing out and see what it looks like with more weathering .

Thanks for the discusion .Beer

Can you tell us if the gouging you did was to represent texture of the cast iron or is it battle damage, or both? 
Nice tutorial for eliminating decal edges.  I have to say the final close up, with the turret all  glossed up, it could easily pass as a museum photo of the real deal - very cool.
regards,
Jack

Jack , the plan at the beggining was to put some texture into the surface . Then i felt that some of the gouges could also be damage from small arms fire . Then i thought well why wouldnt the crew want to paint the areas that were worn or damaged down to bare metal with a coat of primer  ? I used to operate heavy equipment and i know that the crew would take some personal pride in their ride . Durring a break from battle they could have touched up their beast to keep her from looking like a lost cause ........these guys thought they would win the war after all . Notice the M.G. ring and hatch handles, touched up with primer .I realize that the scratches on the rear engine compartment armor plate are not logical and those will be done over . 

And thanks for the complement !

Toast

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:04 PM

Marc  , the camo was first masked with loosely applied masking tape . I tore 3/4" masking tape in half so i could get a rough edge and then i cut the back edge of it down to make thin strips that would bend easily for the curves . I left the edge on the side to be painted loosely touching the surface so that a hard edge was minimal . After spraying a light coat of the camo color with enamel paint i removed the tape and went along the edges again with the air brush free hand to feather out the edges of the camo color . I did this for the olivgrun first , sealed that with Future and then repeated the steps for the rotbraun . I use enamel over Future because any mistakes in the enamel camo can be removed with no damage to the underlying color . For example i did one side in the braun camo . I dint like it and was able to remove it with enamel thinner without damaging the olivgrun camo under the Future . Careful with the enamel thinner ! Dont soak it .

Thanks again for taking a look !

Greg , Cliff , Eric thanks again for the complements !

Bish , i let the Future set about a day now , its been humid here , especially in my basement . To be on the safe side i put it aside and work on something like you said you do .Thanks !

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