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Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

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  • From: MOAB, UTAH
Posted by JOE RIX on Saturday, July 13, 2013 7:32 AM

Archangel - Good to hear that you are in recovery mode and that your discomfort is short lived. As far as Ultracast goes I absolutely love their stuff. I will order one of their seats and /or wheel sets for nearly every kit I build if available. Beautiful castings and the added bonus is that the casting blocks are thinly attached and very easy to remove and clean up. I also have had nothing but excellent service from them. Really glad you discovered them.

Bill - First, it has been a real pleasure to build with you here. I hope you continue to check in with us and follow the rest us through to our completions. Next, Overall excellent work on your 190. You really did a superb job with what you had. I particularly appreciate the creativity you utilized in overcoming some of the short comings of the kit and for achieving your paint job. I do have a couple of observations on your kit that I hope you take as being constructive and helpful. First, is it appears that you could use an overall flat coat. Your finish is seemingly quite glossy from your photos. The second is although you have a well weathered paint job your decals are not. They appear brand new on there and thus not really realistic. You might want to grundge them up a bit. Again, nothing overly critical, it is your model and you may want it that way. Yet, I do hope I can impart some helpful hints. I know my modeling improved from the other folks pointing out shortcomings in my work and I greatly appreciate that from the folks here. I hope to keep up with you and hopefully catch another GB with you. Godspeed.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Saturday, July 13, 2013 6:44 AM

Awesome work, Bill! Especially considering the age of the kit and that you anly used rattle-cans! Nice background info as well! I am looking forward to participating in another GB with you! Just tell me which one and I'm in. (if I am not already...)

Archangel: I know how you feel, man. I had the same issues as well after a surgery some years ago. I hope you feel better soon...

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Posted by FlyItLikeYouStoleIt on Saturday, July 13, 2013 3:02 AM

Alright fellow groupies, I'm calling her done. I'll eventually be replacing the windscreen and canopy when they arrive from Hasegawa. At which time I'll also install an antenna wire. Other than that, what you see is what you get. Most of you know, this was an old kit (mid 80s?) with tons of fit issues, and strange accuracy discrepancies. For instance, the instrument panel is a perfect match to the real thing but the cockpit and seat are completely wrong. Fuselage gun options were both precisely detailed but neither would fit under their prospective hood without major structural adjustments, as the guns lined up perfectly with the cowl slots.
I went with the A5 variant, doing my best to depict the last plane flown by Luftwaffe Ace Wilhelm Ferdinand "Wutz" Galland of JG26. Few clear photos exist and artist renderings differ wildly so my paint scheme uses a little from each source.
A little history....... Wutz completed operational training with Ergänzungsgruppe/JG 26 and reported to II./JG 26 on 27 June 1941. JG 26 was under command of his brother Adolf Galland (104 victories, RK-Br). His younger brother Paul Galland (17 victories, killed in action 31 October 1942) was also serving with the unit. Assigned to 6./JG 26, “Wutz” scored his first victory on 23 July 1941, shooting down a RAF Spitfire. On 5 May 1942, Galland was appointed Staffelkapitän of 5./JG 26. He had eight victories to his credit. On 2 June, he claimed two Spitfires shot down over the Somme Estuary to record his ninth and 10th victories. Galland recorded his 20th victory on 4 December when he shot down another Spitfire near Boulogne. His score had risen to 21 by the end of 1942. Galland was appointed Gruppenkommandeur of II./JG 26 on 3 January 1943. On 28 January, Galland received the Deutsches Kreuz in Gold for 24 victories. He recorded his 30th victory on 15 February, when he shot down a Spitfire near Ramsgate. Galland was awarded the Ritterkreuz on 18 May 1943 for 35 victories. On 14 July, Galland entered combat with USAAF P-47 fighters escorting B-17 four-engine bombers raiding Villacoublay. He calimed two of the fighters shot down to record his 49th and 50th victories. On 17 August 1943, at 16:52, three Staffeln from II./JG 26 took off from Lille-Nord, under the command of Major Galland, to intercept a formation of USAAF four-engine bombers on their return course from a bombing raid on Schweinfurt. Over Lutych, the unit encountered a formation of 150 to 200 bombers, escorted by nearly 200 escort fighters. II./JG 26 bounced the bombers but were, in turn, attacked by a unit of P-47 fighters from the 56th Fighter Group, USAAF. Their fire crippled “Wutz” Galland's FW 190 A-5 (W.Nr. 530 125) <<+- which crashed at high speed near Liegne, 5 km west of Maastricht. The impact left a large crater in the ground from which it was impossible to remove all the wreckage. Some sources suggest that “Wutz” Galland was shot down by the American ace Walker “Bud” Mahurin (24.25 confirmed, 4 probable and 2 damaged victories) of the 56th Fighter Group, USAAF.

“Wutz” Galland was credited with 54 aerial victories in 186 missions. All his victories were recorded over the Western Front and included seven four-engine bombers and 37 Spitfires.

As evident in my WIP pics and gripes, I'm a rattle can user and along with that I use some rather unorthodox ways for weathering and detailing. Aside from some Tamiya powders, artist acrylic washes and enamel dry-brushing, most surface detail visible on the finished model was achieved by first applying black and grey primers under my finish coats, then sanding to varying levels to reveal rivets and lines in whichever of those colors I choose. Being a rather frugal guy (or cheapskate) I tend to make my add-ons or improvements. (The supercharger intakes are pieces of Bic pens. Wing guns are aluminum tubing with heatshrink insulation). And, as for colors (see pic below), I think I got pretty close to the true colors by using nothing more than well chosen shades of cheap primers and some Rustoleum Painters Touch Satins.      (oooops, forgot to include Future polish in pic)

Please feel free to reply or message me with any comments, critiques or questions you may have or simply refer back to my earlier WIP posts for details.

It's been a real treat participating in this Group Build with all you guys. I've gained an immeasurable amount of knowledge and have enjoyed seeing these awesome builds come together, not to mention just getting to know one another. I look forward to seeing you all around in the forums and will undoubtedly be in future GBs with you.

Bill.

On the bench:  Lindberg 1/32 scale 1934 Ford Coupe and a few rescue projects.

In queue:  Tamiya 1/35 Quad Tractor or a scratch build project.

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Posted by FlyItLikeYouStoleIt on Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:01 AM

Archangel Shooter

Well I had the surgery Weds morning and it feels like a mule is constantly kicking me in the family jewels Ick!,  just have to take things slow and easy like getting up from a chair, walking etc.  I did put in a little time on the kit this afternoon mainly the seat harness and the blasted carpet monster ate another buckle, will try one more search for it tomorrow else I scratch build one. I bought the harness set from Ultra-cast and it looks pretty good. It was the first time I ordered from them, they're based in Canada. I had no problems with the order and customer service was great, I would recommend them to fellow modelers. I hope to make better progress in the next few days at least get the fuselage done and start working on the wing assembly.

 

Arch ....... Dont know if this helps at all but I thought maybe something here could help with your harness buckle situation    www.florymodels.co.uk/how-to-scratch-build-seat-belt/        

Glad to see yer still with us after the knife. Take er easy, man!

Bill.

On the bench:  Lindberg 1/32 scale 1934 Ford Coupe and a few rescue projects.

In queue:  Tamiya 1/35 Quad Tractor or a scratch build project.

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Posted by Reasoned on Friday, July 12, 2013 11:07 PM

Hope all goes well with your post surgical recovery Angel, doesn't sound like fun.  

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

On the Tarmac: 1/48 Revell P-38

In the Hanger: A bunch of kits

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Posted by Archangel Shooter on Friday, July 12, 2013 10:13 PM

Well I had the surgery Weds morning and it feels like a mule is constantly kicking me in the family jewels Ick!,  just have to take things slow and easy like getting up from a chair, walking etc.  I did put in a little time on the kit this afternoon mainly the seat harness and the blasted carpet monster ate another buckle, will try one more search for it tomorrow else I scratch build one. I bought the harness set from Ultra-cast and it looks pretty good. It was the first time I ordered from them, they're based in Canada. I had no problems with the order and customer service was great, I would recommend them to fellow modelers. I hope to make better progress in the next few days at least get the fuselage done and start working on the wing assembly.

 

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 On the bench: So many hanger queens.

 

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Friday, July 12, 2013 12:46 PM

I am living in no mansion, i promise. I jsut have a small hobby/working room (3x5m) . I am working on that hangar-problem already... I am thinking of getting me a 1.5x0.8x2m glass hangar (display case)

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, July 12, 2013 11:27 AM

FlyItLikeYouStoleIt

And about the B-17 .... Clemens, really? 1/32 scale B-17? Why are you consorting with the likes of us if you live in a mansion. That puppy would need it's own hangar

.....................and ground crew!!!

Well so far so good. After I installed my upper IP the other day, the dang gunsight fell off of the IP into the cockpit. I was able to retrieve it and re-install it. Whew! I also pulled all of the masking off of the windscreen and installed that last night. Will post some more pics as I make a little more progress.

 

                   

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Posted by FlyItLikeYouStoleIt on Friday, July 12, 2013 8:24 AM

Well, I wouldn't have used Silly Putty for any large masking needs (I just don't like it. Tape is easier.) But, I probably should have used it for the small, random shaped splotches. Hmmm, why the hell didn't I . . . . . ? Brain damage.

And about the B-17 .... Clemens, really? 1/32 scale B-17? Why are you consorting with the likes of us if you live in a mansion. That puppy would need it's own hangar

Bill.

On the bench:  Lindberg 1/32 scale 1934 Ford Coupe and a few rescue projects.

In queue:  Tamiya 1/35 Quad Tractor or a scratch build project.

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Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:57 PM

Bill - I am really liking what your doing there. You sure are making the most of that kit. Good stuff. I will make a plug here though to save you all that taping, SILLY PUTTY BABY!!!

On the HK B-17: Given that it has taken me nigh on 7 months to even get the paint on my 1/72 190 that 1/32 B-17 would take me the rest of my time on earth to build. Heck, I could just sell off my entire stash and not have to worry about what to build next.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:03 PM

Yeah, I have no place for it either... for now! I am going to either throw it into the NMF GB or Start a WIP thread. Either way, I'll send you a link as soon as I get started, if you are interested

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:37 PM

SchattenSpartan

The wingspan of that beast is just below 1m...

It would be great to see one in real life but way too much model for me. The only place I would have for it would be to hang it from the ceiling. Then I couldn't enjoy looking at it in detail!

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:21 PM

The wingspan of that beast is just below 1m...

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:02 PM

Way too much model for me! Price is a bit outside of my range (not by much) but the model is just way too big. I just got off of the HK website. Seems the Lancaster is soon to make its debut right along side of this one!

                   

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Posted by Jester75 on Thursday, July 11, 2013 3:38 PM

Sprue has it listed at 277 clams!!!

Eric

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, July 11, 2013 3:20 PM

Just out of curiosity how much is that big beast of a B-17 going for? I can't imagine building something of that size. I barely have room for my 1/24 scale Bf 109!

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, July 11, 2013 2:16 PM

Bill: Yep, I have one of those kits! They are really easy to get here in Austria! Hey, Austria may be a small country, but that doesn't mean that we can't get good stuff as well! Wink

The owner of my LHS has pre-ordered HKs new B-17 as well! I am so going to buy that one!

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Posted by Nathan T on Thursday, July 11, 2013 2:00 PM

Man, its 190 fever in here. Great work going on. Bill- nice job on the cowling. I love those head on shots of the wurger, they just look so mean.

Jester- sweet colors. Now hurry up and unmask that baby and weather her up!

Joe Rix- Nice work on the cammo colors. All that masking paid off for you.

Everyone else, nice job. Way to keep the GB goin strong.

 

 

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Posted by Jester75 on Thursday, July 11, 2013 1:51 PM

The later blown style canopies actually fell slack when the canopy was in the open position. Even the flat canopy on Dortenmanns A-8 did not have the pulley mechanism and would have fell slack when opened. Would be interesting to see if this could be pulled off though, but I would think not too many canopies are moved from open to closed in 48th scale, maybe the larger stuff.

Eric

 

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Posted by FlyItLikeYouStoleIt on Thursday, July 11, 2013 1:39 PM

SchattenSpartan

Really nice work, Bill! I can't imagine doing such stuff with a rattle-can...

Joe: Yep, greenhouse-canopies are a pain to mask... I am dreading the ccanopy-masking on my B-25... Is it enough to just mask the outside and spray the interior color on the outside (before applying the exterior color), or would you recommend masking and spraying it from the inside? It's 1/32nd scale...

Clemens, you have a 1/32 scale B-25? You're lucky you don't live close to me or I'd steal it. How'd you get ahold of that in Austria? (Yer in Austria, right?) However, I did find one in Minneapolis. I just don't want to pay nearly 200 bucks for it right now.

Greenhouse canopies are fun. I've built a Stuka, so, been there .......

And speaking of canopies. On these 190 A's, have any of you ever made the antenna wire actually work? I mean, make it stay tight AND be able to open and close the canopy. If using thread for the wire, I could see maybe using an internal weight hanging on the end. Or maybe a spring in the fuselage? My canopy already has a slotted anchor on top that could act as a pulley. Just need to make a small hole ahead of that 

I have noticed that on most models with movable canopies, the wire is slack when the canopy is open. But on the actual planes, it appears to stay tight.

Bill.

On the bench:  Lindberg 1/32 scale 1934 Ford Coupe and a few rescue projects.

In queue:  Tamiya 1/35 Quad Tractor or a scratch build project.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:47 AM

I'll be checking that stuff out at home tonight! Wow. You learn something new everyday.

                   

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Posted by Jester75 on Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:41 AM

RB makes a couple. They look pretty dang cool, not sure how well they go together though.

RB Etch Canopy

Eric

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:38 AM

Didn't know that PE canopys were available!!

                   

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Posted by Jester75 on Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:36 AM

I usually don't mask the inside but I think with planes like the 109 where if the canopy is open, the inside frames are easily seen, need to be masked and painted. Just doesn't look right with the glossy frames on the inside. When I get back to my 32nd 109 I will either mask the inside or might even buy the PE canopy if I can find it.

Eric

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:33 AM

There are others that might say that painting from the outside would be ok but if it were mine I would mask inside and out, especially for 32nd scale. Larger scales need that kind of attention. 1/48th you might get by with just outside and 72nd I wouldn't bother with inside.  Plus the larger scales tend to lend the glass panels to be opened up so again masking inside is the way to go in my opinion.

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:30 AM

Really nice work, Bill! I can't imagine doing such stuff with a rattle-can...

Joe: Yep, greenhouse-canopies are a pain to mask... I am dreading the ccanopy-masking on my B-25... Is it enough to just mask the outside and spray the interior color on the outside (before applying the exterior color), or would you recommend masking and spraying it from the inside? It's 1/32nd scale...

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:03 AM

Hey Bill. Will be checking out your pictures when I get home. All I can do is read and send posts here at work. Yeah I found out about that inside masking thing early on in modeling. I have  a green house canopy somewhere in my future to do on a BV141 from Hi PM in 48th scale to mask inside and out on. I am still looking for a set of masks for that thing. A TRUE test of skills on that one even with pre cut masks.

                   

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Posted by Jester75 on Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:17 AM

Nice work Bill!! Def not bad rattle can finish there. You should definitely pick up an ab if the opportunity presents itself. They surely have a learning curve, but you wont regret it.  Nice save on the cowl alignment too!!

Eric

 

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Posted by FlyItLikeYouStoleIt on Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:11 AM

mustang1989

Thanks for the comments guys. Last night I assembled the upper instrument panel and cowl fairing over the IP. This morning I installed the IP assy onto the aircraft. This was no easy trick! I managed though. I also masked the inside and outside of the windscreen and am ready to paint that.

Hey, great idea  Hmm.  That's a mistake I'll never make again Super Angry

Great work Eric and Joe! Once again gentleman, I am humbled by your skills and artistry. I am truly in the presence of greatness. Well, either that or I just need to get me an airbrush. Love your work guys!

I am almost completely done with my bird. Today I am releasing some pics from a week ago or so showing some of my masking and painting steps. I wanted to make sure I was happy with my results before I showed how I did it (sneaky, huh?). Remember that I'm a rattle can sprayer, so . . . . .


Here in the gear bays I scratched my own gun barrels using half round sprue.


My aluminum tubing wing guns with heatshrink tubing for details


I decided to just use kit gun barrels for the fuselage guns


Next 2 pics show before and after of gun hood cowling alignment fix. I had to break them off and sand spots on both hoods to get a proper fit. I'm happy with it now.


Well, only a couple of nit pickin details and I'll be finished, boys. Keep in my mind that my canopy and windscreen are temporarily taped on til I get my new ones from Hasegawa. Should be posting finished pics later today.

Bill.

On the bench:  Lindberg 1/32 scale 1934 Ford Coupe and a few rescue projects.

In queue:  Tamiya 1/35 Quad Tractor or a scratch build project.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:06 AM

Good news, Joe! Yes, that part of the assembly is really bad. I still don't know if i got it right... (at least it looks like i did)

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