FineScale Modeler WWI Aeroplane Group Build 2013

Thanks jack.  If I had to guess I think that would have been it, makes sense being where there start and end up.  I have to re-rill those drain holes.  I have some amoeba sized metal washers that will be perfect for those holes.  I’ll try to get some pics of the little washers.  Just need to find my electron microscope.

I started playing around with the RB PE trunbuckles.  Fairly nice looking but OMG what a PITA trying to see and fold them.  Just ordered gasp[acth tb's.

After several days doing a bit at a time, i finally have the 0/400 rigged up. I also have all the wing sections on. I still have a bit of sanding a filling to do and a few other bits to add before i finish off the paint job. I am not sure how accurate the rigging is, but most of the models i have seen seem to be like this.

So here she is so far.

I still have a little rigging to do on top of the wings, that will wait until the paint job is done.  

Oh heck yeah Bish! That's looks flippin' amazing! For your first rigging attempt, you picked one heck of a subject, but man oh man, you're knocking this one outa the park!

wing_nut

I started playing around with the RB PE trunbuckles.  Fairly nice looking but OMG what a PITA trying to see and fold them.  Just ordered gasp[acth tb's.

Marc, my reaction to the PE buckles was identical, and so was my solution. You're going to LOVE those Gaspatch buckles. They are incredibly strong (not a soft metal by any means), so do not be deceived by their size - they're tough little buggers!

....and, sweet work on the Albatros! I always enjoy watching your builds come together. Your attention to detail really is unparalleled. (....and I have to add, that was a great bit of researching there, Jack!)

Bish- that's great work. Why haven't you painted the wing? Is that because you are going to patch the rigging holes first? Wish I'd thought of that...

Everyone this is looking great. Mike the metal bat is a real looker.

Great vlog, fellas. Real Amos n' Andy routine too. Aaron, any progress? The kid is on a roll with that D7.

My props are strange. They were wrapped in sailcloth and painted "battleship grey" as is everything else on this thing that's not varnished or doped. Humbrol 165. Sure they have neato brass tips and leading edges, but the only wood is right at the hub. Also, and I spent a LONG time looking at photos, but the "paddle" edge is the leading edge, not the straight edge. And to make things fun, some aircraft counter rotate and some aircraft are same handed. I have no reference which were which and the only pic I could find of mine doesn't show the props, so I am correct by default (same handed).

Finished the bomb construction. What seemed simple... Each bomb has it's fin assemblies made of eight micro PE parts each. looks great though.

Masked the hull and sealed the tape with a light overspray of more white before shooting on the red. That Bristol really inspired me to take my time. I could do D-Day stripes in my sleep after this!

Might take a break from airframe construction and start putting together Lewis Mk.2's. Ten of them!

I'll need a gun sorting tray from the HMS Victory build.

I've a question. A lot of the control wires esp. to the tail have a "split" near the control surface end. In other words the single wire becomes two before it connects to a pair of control horns at each end of the elevator/ rudder/ aileron. Like about 6 feet before. A knot seems clunky.  As these were maintained by the Royal Navy I'd guess the real world solution involved a marlinspike, rum and a beautiful detail where they were "turned in with a splice".

What do you bugs-in-the -teeth aviators suggest?

Speaking of rum as so as not to offend the Dark Force, time to repair to my cabin for a bit of solitude and attitude adjustment. Perhaps the Admiral will join me for a bit of figgy pudding.

GMorrison

I've a question. A lot of the control wires esp. to the tail have a "split" near the control surface end. In other words the single wire becomes two before it connects to a pair of control horns at each end of the elevator/ rudder/ aileron. Like about 6 feet before. A knot seems clunky.  As these were maintained by the Royal Navy I'd guess the real world solution involved a marlinspike, rum and a beautiful detail where they were "turned in with a splice".

What do you bugs-in-the -teeth aviators suggest?

A splice is what came to my mind. Something like this, I assume. (Link fixed.)

As for some grog and figgy pudding, I believe I'm up for it if you have a mind to invite the rest of the gun room. A madeira wouldn't be bad either.  

dead link, Admiral. Please try again.

Also, this has to work at 1/72.

GMorrison

Also, this has to work at 1/72.

Dear God, man! I was offering reference, not a miracle!

But, I wonder ... what is the diameter of the line you're using and is it heat sensitive? There is some very small diameter heat-shrink tubing on the market (.2mm) that might tighten down enough (usually about 20%) to look like a splice rather than a knot. I'm not sure if it's viable or not ... I've been at the grog ...

GMorrison

Bish- that's great work. Why haven't you painted the wing? Is that because you are going to patch the rigging holes first? Wish I'd thought of that...

Everyone this is looking great. Mike the metal bat is a real looker.

Great vlog, fellas. Real Amos n' Andy routine too. Aaron, any progress? The kid is on a roll with that D7.

My props are strange. They were wrapped in sailcloth and painted "battleship grey" as is everything else on this thing that's not varnished or doped. Humbrol 165. Sure they have neato brass tips and leading edges, but the only wood is right at the hub. Also, and I spent a LONG time looking at photos, but the "paddle" edge is the leading edge, not the straight edge. And to make things fun, some aircraft counter rotate and some aircraft are same handed. I have no reference which were which and the only pic I could find of mine doesn't show the props, so I am correct by default (same handed).

Finished the bomb construction. What seemed simple... Each bomb has it's fin assemblies made of eight micro PE parts each. looks great though.

Masked the hull and sealed the tape with a light overspray of more white before shooting on the red. That Bristol really inspired me to take my time. I could do D-Day stripes in my sleep after this!

Might take a break from airframe construction and start putting together Lewis Mk.2's. Ten of them!

I'll need a gun sorting tray from the HMS Victory build.

I've a question. A lot of the control wires esp. to the tail have a "split" near the control surface end. In other words the single wire becomes two before it connects to a pair of control horns at each end of the elevator/ rudder/ aileron. Like about 6 feet before. A knot seems clunky.  As these were maintained by the Royal Navy I'd guess the real world solution involved a marlinspike, rum and a beautiful detail where they were "turned in with a splice".

What do you bugs-in-the -teeth aviators suggest?

Speaking of rum as so as not to offend the Dark Force, time to repair to my cabin for a bit of solitude and attitude adjustment. Perhaps the Admiral will join me for a bit of figgy pudding.

GMorrison - I think you're gonna win the prize for the most exotic looking plane in this build. SPECTACULAR!

GM, the rigging holes are actually in the inner sections of the wing. I painted the area that would be rigged first as i didn't want the paint clogging the rigging. Once it was rigged, i then had to add the outer wing sections. The holes on top are for bracing. I will fill the larger holes and then touch them up.

Now that is some paint scheme. You certainly wouldn't miss that one. Great work.

Mike, thanks. Though i am still very impressed with the metal on yours.

Tim Kidwell

GMorrison - I think you're gonna win the prize for the most exotic looking plane in this build. SPECTACULAR!

Hard to argue with that, Tim, (that paint scheme is mind-blowing!) but I believe that Bish's 0/400 can still give it a run for it's money.

Thanks for the info, Bish.

Thanks everybody for the props. I had that striping as the thing I feared most, and it went pretty well so it's fun from here.

I'm a ship modeler mostly, so the rigging should go smoothly. I am putting in a query over in ships about splicing eyes in the ends of lines. I'll tell you what I learn. That was a great link, Tim.

One small mishap, but lesson learned. Tamiya primer and Humbrol enamel do NOT like each other. I had painted all of the PE with Humbrol as that's the color of most of those little bitty things. But there's a pair of, for lack of a better term, gun ports on the sides back towards the tail that have sliding doors. I overcoated those with Tamiya white primer and it wrinkled on me immediately. Strip and repaint straight with the white. i just hope when I mask the red stripe the tape doesn't lift off the primer.

Jack thanks for the info on the pipes.

GM… OH LAWDY MOMMA !  Nice stripes.  It has the added benefit of reminding me to make a haircut appointment.

Bish… that’s looking just fine indeed.

After many color combos and application techniques I think I’ve got wood.  Plywood actually.    Pretty much the same as I did on my other Albatros (link below) just some color and pattern changes. What do you think?    

Does someone make a paler transparent yellow than the one from Tamiya?

http://wingnutmodels.com/DvaPaint.html

GMorrison - Yikes man!  That looks fantastic!  Excellent job...

Marc - if you move that little piece of plywood out of the way, we could let you know how your wood grain job turned out.  LOL!  Excellent, sir.  You could get a job doing faux finishes for houses with that...

ruddratt

Tim Kidwell

GMorrison - I think you're gonna win the prize for the most exotic looking plane in this build. SPECTACULAR!

Hard to argue with that, Tim, (that paint scheme is mind-blowing!) but I believe that Bish's 0/400 can still give it a run for it's money.

Not even close. If I was doing that paint scheme on top of the rigging, I think you would find me in a corner with underpants on my need, a pencil up each nostril and shouting wibble.

Awesome tutorial, Marc. I believe I'll use that on my next build!

Lots of nice work going on, and nice try Marc, but I know you photoshopped that plywood!  As some may have noticed I have been a bit absent, I started a project to replace the deck on the back of my house and also a new workshop/storage shed.  But I shall return, as soon as I get some more concrete work done.  Wish me none of those Italian cement shoes!

Nice stripes on the Felixstowe!

Almost done the rigging on my Roland. Using a braided fishing line called spider wire but it is in moss green and was wonder if I should paint them a steel colour or a grey. Or should I just leave them they way they are?

I've had a good look at various fishing lines in realtion to rigging and most don't want to hold a colour that well. If its monofilament they really don't want to hold colour, if it already has a colour leave it alone unless you hate it.

The biggest problem you will have is getting enough paint on it to stick and the possibility of paint running is very high. I did have a long look to try to find a line with the right colour but gave up and I'm using clear.

Phil

shivinigh

Almost done the rigging on my Roland. Using a braided fishing line called spider wire but it is in moss green and was wonder if I should paint them a steel colour or a grey. Or should I just leave them they way they are?

I think someone else may have suggested this already: I used a chisel tip Sharpie permanent marker to make my rigging line black. I figure, at that scale, it's more about seeing it that getting the exact color match. And, as Phil says, paint could cause runs.

Well got the rigging done and put the last couple of pieces on so for you viewing pleasure my completed Rolland c.ll

Congrats to all on a wonderful GB. Should have watched the dates closer - I have a WNW Pfalz sitting in it's box and it would have been tempting to rearrange the build schedule and join in.

But I've got a question instead. I've checked out the Gaspatch site ( www.gaspatchmodels.com/.../metal-turnbuckles-32.html ) and checked out their metal buckles. Using them might simplify the rigging if you didn't have to mess with tubing. However $18 or so a pop isn't free and buying multiple varieties (think there are six choices - three are elaborate and come 30 per pack - the others are simpler and are 60) would run up a bill for an item that's neat up close but probably wouldn't be that much better from any distance. (Des Delatorre builds his own buckles and tubes and I'd be most happy to make a model anywhere near as good as his. I listen in on the WWI group and some of their stuff is likewise stunning and they make their own or buy Bob's.) Anyway, would one type take you most of the way? I was thinking the "one end." Or is this something that only makes sense if you go in with both feet and buy several types? I've never seen these things in the flesh from six feet away so it's a little hard to assess them.

Advice welcomed.

Curse you Baron!

Eric

Congratulations, Shivinigh! Another completed build, and a beauty.

Well done!

Give that man a Schnapps and a badge!

Congratulations, Shiv, that is a beautiful Rolland! Collect your ribbon (badge) and kick back with a stein of your favorite brew!

I think the rigging turned out quite well, and the colors really pop. Way to go!

thanks Tim, thanks Gmorrison. I never thought that I would put any shade of purple on an aircraft.

I still got some time, going to try and get that Gotha bomber done

Eric

The buckles really depend on how close to the real thing you want to get. Most people will use the "One End" ones and be perfectly happy, I know I am. For 100% accuracy you would need a mixture but from what I've seen the mixture can vary depending on the individual aircraft.

I honestly dont think there a more than a few people world wide who could work at that level and its a vanity thing at that point.

Phil

Shiv

Is that the Wingnut Gotha? I think it will look amazing and I wish you luck with your therapy after too

Phil

No it's a 1/72 scale kit from Roden

Shiv - beautiful job!  She looks great.  Have fun with the Gotha...I've built the Wing Nuts kit, and that's hard enough...can't imagine tackling it in 1/72!

Have a good weekend everyone!