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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, May 24, 2013 10:48 AM

Thanks for the comments guys.

It's official... this is one of the most tedious tasks I have undertaken.Tongue Tied  It is slow going for sure.  Lots of taping and masking.  The learning curve is finally getting flatter... but you can see how long took.  And the other side is at about the same stage as this.  When rubbing the MIG into the paper there are occasionally these little brown bit that change the color so that had to be dealt with too.  At the moment there are 2 things I am thinking... 1st that there is potential for this technique  just maybe not in this application   A flat side fuselage with a more "traditional" wood pattern would be good for this.  2nd is that once this is done, as in decals on, faded and weathered it will tone down and look kinda cool.

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Posted by jgeratic on Friday, May 24, 2013 11:57 AM

Thanks everyone for the words of encouragement regarding my wing surface trials.

Greg, sweet work with the munitions and armaments.

Shiv - good to see a Gotha being built, something to oppose Bish's monstrosity.

Marc - wood effects look fabulous, hard to tell the difference between the fuselage and the base it is sitting on.  

I'm not keen enough to try this method yet, but do want to add some semblance of wood effect to my build.  I too plan to head to the computer with a wood grain image in hand, and manipulating the contrast, but will be printing the image out on clear decal film.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, May 24, 2013 1:44 PM

So it's my turn for mishap, I guess...

I was merrily going along rigging the engine support struts with EZ Line. Marvelous stuff, first time I have used it.

One of the lower wings snapped off.

I think there may be just enough thickness in the wing to get one tiny wire pin into it at mid-chord.but it butt joins the very thin side of the fuselage, so it's going to be tenuous at best.

Very delicate stuff.

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, May 24, 2013 2:35 PM

Marc: Looks awesome to me! Gee, very good idea there and eye-catching results.

Jack: I wasn't really sure, just curious.

Greg: Great work there- nice to see those blobby MGs looks so good! Almost making a silk purse out of a sow's ear even!

GM: Good luck there, guess I'm still dragging my feet partly because I'm afraid to tackle the rigging...  

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Friday, May 24, 2013 2:53 PM

Gentlemen! Behold! The latest vlog!

Looks like there's some late breaking news in here.

GMorrison - Sorry to hear about the setback. Keep us posted ...

Shiv - Your tour was up, man! Still, you came back for more. And not an easy kit, either. Can't wait to see how it shapes up.

Everyone, great work. Hope you like the vlog. I'm getting back into the workshop for more decal work.

Have a great Memorial Day weekend (for you living in the U.S.), and I guess there's a bank holiday in the UK. Not sure what that means ... hmmm, should go look that up before I offend someone. 

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Posted by P mitch on Friday, May 24, 2013 3:21 PM

Tim

Bank holiday is just an extra day off same as a public holiday. Gets called a bank holiday as it a normal day of the week just the banks used to be closed.

Phil

"If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: it's all balls." R J Mitchell


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Posted by Bish on Friday, May 24, 2013 3:42 PM

Greg, lovely work on those weapons.

Shiv, for a second there I thought that was another 0/400. Looks very similar at this stage. Which kit is that.

Marc, beautiful technique there, the results are stunning.

Mike, I love the look of that build, I am still impressed with the metal effect on the nose.

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Posted by P mitch on Friday, May 24, 2013 3:47 PM

Just a quick update from me I'll put some more info on the WIP. Been working on my wing (as have we all) and I'm still not 100% sure of the look. I like the impressing of wood underneath but not sure its not too obvious. Anyway feedback as always welcome

Phil

"If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: it's all balls." R J Mitchell


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Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:53 AM

GM - sorry to read about your mishap, but have faith you will pull it through.

Phil - that is quite subtle shading you've got on the underside.  It really is a matter of personal taste how far you wish to take it, as this is venturing on the artistic interpretation - namely the illusion of sunlight passing through treated linen cloth.  

regards,

Jack

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Posted by shivinigh on Saturday, May 25, 2013 5:01 AM

Tim-guess I am just a sucker for punishment. Figured since it was suppose to be my original choice instead of the Rolland I might as well try and get it built. Besides we can't have the Allies being the only ones with big guns.

Bish-the kit is the 1/72 scale Gotha G.V from Roden

Wing-Nut-that wood finish is looking great. It does look like you made you build with wood. Good jobYes

GM-I know how wrenching it is to have a mishap after all the work you did, but just roll up your sleeves and think of it as another challenge to beat.

every bodies builds are looking great

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:04 AM

Thanks for all the encouraging words guys.

DONE... with the wood anyway.  The possess sped up as I went but it was still 3 sessions at the bench to complete.  I am pretty happy with the outcome.

Marc  

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:20 AM

Marc, I am always impressed with your stuff, but that is something really special.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by gregbale on Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:29 AM

Marc - Truly astounding work on the wood grain. I am really stoked to see this one shape up.

GM - Sorry to hear about the wing problem; hope you have an easy time getting the support pin(s) in, and that it does the job.

Tim - It was good to see lozenge decals on your bird. Hope things are proceeding apace.

Phil - Great work on the Pup. The ribbing on the wing undersides looks good to me.

Nice job Tim and Aaron on the vlog! Great work, everybody, and a safe and sane Memorial Day weekend to all.

Greg

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, May 27, 2013 9:20 AM

Phil: Looks good to me! If a little bold it should be toned down some after all the gloss and matte coats.

Marc: Wowie! Stupendous!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Monday, May 27, 2013 9:26 AM

Marc - another thumbs-up for that wood grain look. That's some good work going on there!

Tim & Aaron - thanks for another great vlog entry, and Tim for the WIP shots of the D.VII. Have to admit using a dryer on the decals is something that never crossed my mind - great tip! How's yours coming along Aaron? The last pics we saw looked amazing - curious as to how it's progressing.

Phil- the subtle effect of the wing's ribbing looks very convincing - not overdone at all. Very nice!

GM - bummer about the wing, but I'm glad you're finding the EZline working to your liking. It does make rigging these birds a lot easier.

Mike

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, May 27, 2013 2:07 PM

Marc - truly awesome work with the wood grain effects, your method really gives it that personal touch.

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I've got my wood grain printed out on clear decal film (that way I don't have to worry about white edges).  I took a scan of an actual HGW product, then changed the colour to the RGB brown chip which is suppose to be Methuen 6E7.  After a few test prints on regular paper, I did tweek it a bit by increasing the blue hue slightly.  While in the paint program, I also added the aircraft's serial number 153.106.  These too were slightly overpainted with the brown.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Chuck Davis on Monday, May 27, 2013 5:46 PM

WOW guys - excellent stuff.  I love all the technique options we're seeing show up in this build.  I haven't posted in awhile, but I've been watching...great job everyone.

I finally had enough time and courage to get the Fokker streaked - although at first I thought I ruined it.  I gave her an overall coat of Tamiya Deck Tan sealed with Acryl gloss.  I used a set of cheap flat brushes (very cheap - bristles came out during cleaning) to apply streaks of green and brown oil paint.  I've not used oils except for panel line washes before.  Scary stuff.  After much streaking, swearing, streaking, etc. et. al. I ended up with something close.  I then applied a "fog" of Tamiya Olive Green over the top (some call this a filter - I'm not that artistic).  Hope you guys like it - it'll work for me, and allow me to get to the next stage.  Gotta get my nitrogen tank filled first though.  Have a great rest of the weekend everyone!

Chuck Davis

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, May 27, 2013 7:44 PM

Jack: Now that looks cool, if I did wood grain I think I'd take that approach - looks a bit simpler!

Chuck: Ohhhhhh, looking forward to seeing how she comes out!

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Posted by ruddratt on Monday, May 27, 2013 11:36 PM

Jack - very clever idea (and some heads-up thinking to include the Ser. #). I'm very anxious to see how it looks on your model! Yes

Chuck - awesome work there on the streaked camo for the F.1! The only thing I may have done different would have been to use some white in addition to the green and brown oils. Still, that is light years ahead of my first attempt at that scheme - very impressive! Yes

Mike

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:57 AM

ruddratt

Tim & Aaron - thanks for another great vlog entry, and Tim for the WIP shots of the D.VII. Have to admit using a dryer on the decals is something that never crossed my mind - great tip! How's yours coming along Aaron? The last pics we saw looked amazing - curious as to how it's progressing.

Mike - I can't claim the hair dryer technique as mine. It's something I picked up from Chuck Davis, and I'm a total noob at it. But it does help get those decals down and shrinks them nice and tight against the surface.

Chuck - GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU! Another great technique. I think you've captured the look perfectly. Are you planning to finish the fig in the kit too?

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Posted by Chuck Davis on Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:11 AM

Rudratt - thanks for the comments.  I thought about white, and I bet you're right - I just chickened out.  Maybe next time...

Tim - actually, I can't claim the hairdryer technique as my own either - it's straight off Wingnuts' website under "Hints and Tips - applying lozenge."  I've used it often now, and it works every time.  Sorry I've been "quiet" but Aaron has me pretty busy...maybe a scheme on his part to delay me?...and yes, I plan to "finish" the figure.  I haven't painted a figure since getting a whole box of Airfix 8th Army dudes ready for battle with my air force back when I was a kid.  They lost, BTW.

 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:24 PM

Again guys, thanks so much for the compliments.

Jack, you are definitely going to have an easier go than I did.  Wink

Chuck the streaking looks pretty darn spiffy.

I am not in the home stretch by any means but I sure do like it when it starts to look like an airplane.

1st thing was to add the lines of nails heads... then the decals.  The bottom pick is some of the fiddly bits that will need to get on there eventually.

Marc  

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:20 PM

Oh wow oh wow Marc- love her!!!

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:28 AM

Thanks gamera.

Marc  

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Posted by gregbale on Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:05 AM

Marc - In-bleeping-credible! Are the nail heads Jennings Heilig, or do you have some home-baked voodoo of your own?

Chuck - Great job on the Fokker streaking!

Jack - Neat work on the wood decals. Can't wait to see them in situ.

Greg

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:11 AM

gregbale
Tim - It was good to see lozenge decals on your bird. Hope things are proceeding apace.

Thanks, Greg. Things are moving along. Just put the second lozenge decal on the underside of the lower wing this morning (finishing that one) and am hoping to get to the bottom of the upper wing this afternoon. 

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Posted by gregbale on Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:19 PM

Dodged a bullet of sorts.

Had just started rigging my cabane struts. Going cross-eyed fishing EZ-Line through the tiny rigging loops and letting the frustration get to me as I was holding the model with one hand, pulling a line taut with one hand, and reaching for the glue with another...and oops, I ran out of hands. After executing a graceful Immelmann, the plane dropped like a stone, just managed to get my foot under it to (sort of) break the fall, so it hit the (mercifully carpeted) floor as a glancing blow.

Top wing off, half the struts scattered about like confetti, and tailfloat rigging and rudder severely wonked.

I confess I came within about a gnat's whisker of hurling the whole thing against the wall. (If it hadn't been a group build---i.e., if there hadn't been "witnesses"---I probably would have.)

However, after a few deep breaths and a quick inventory of pieces, it wasn't so bad. None of the struts were actually broken, just popped out of their sockets, and the tail damage was mostly some easily-replaced stretched sprue. I re-jigged the wings and glued everything back together. Not quite as neat as before, but it's "all there and all square," as the saying goes. A day later and I've gotten the cabane strut braces and flying wires in place. (Also shown is the float assembly. waiting to be attached and "pulled tight." That wasn't involved with the crash, which is fortunate, since, given it's fragility, that probably would have been the end.)

Doing a lot more deep breathing and plugging ahead.

Greg

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Posted by Chuck Davis on Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:29 PM

Greg! - Wow!  Excellent save, sir!  She looks great and none the worse for her maiden "flight."

Marc - Let me add my kudos as well, sir...outstanding Albie

Chuck Davis

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:37 PM

Chuck, that is some great work.

Marc, that is just amazing. How did you do the nail heads.

Well, the 0/400 is now finished. I still have the base to do before calling it done. But its just going to be a simple one for this. I know its nowhere near the standard you guys are putting out. But considering its my first bi plane and its not a subject I would normally choose, I think its turned out not to bad.

I dry brushed the top wing to highlight the ribs and left the weathering at that. The rigging for the control surfaces and running from the tail are all based on the box art alone.

Thanks for looking and all comments welcome. 

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:38 PM

Greg, that looks good. I feel your pain on the rigging. Glad to hear the damage was limited.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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