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  • Member since
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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 11:13 AM

Eric, great work on the Stang. Nice to see it in those markings. I have added one to the front page.

Ken, the 47 is coming along nicely, great work.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:28 AM

Green, your P-47 is coming along great! Very nice work on the stripes!

EB, I like your Mustang Mk.III. You captured the look just right there. You may want to remove that antenna mast though- those were not on Malcolm hood equipped birds as that blocked the travel of the sliding hood. Those Mustangs used a different antenna wire configuration.

 

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  • From: Berkeley CA/St. Paul MN
Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:30 AM

I did mask the stripes with tape - certainly don't trust my hand. But the texture of the Golden is very different than an airbrushed Tamiya (note the spinner is off-white, and doesn't look at all like the stripes) and when hand painted left just about what I wanted - something that was applied after the base with a different type of paint. Actually the plane looked pretty good without the stripes - but anything for history. I find I do a lot more hand painting than I used to. Probably because I use paints that work well with it - Vallejo Model Color and Golden Fluids mostly. That effect would not have looked good with Tamiya hand painted I think. I'm seriously thinking of hand painting a German tank because according to one of my ref books that was done in the field when you wanted a quick change of camo. Some of the best ship builders hand paint the superstructure - and some even the whole thing. I didn't have an airbrush when I was 12 and liked models anyway.

Eric

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 6:36 AM

Eric: Fantastic work! I love the well weathered look of your Mustang! Those invasions stripes look really impressive - they look like a sloppy paint job without ruining the look of the model. I always spray my stripes on because I can't brush paint them without them looking horrible...

Ken: Nice progress on your Jug!

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  • From: Oil City, PA
Posted by greentracker98 on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 9:08 PM

Ok. I've been working on both the V-1 amd the P-47 tonight

Here is the Jug.jpg.html] [/URL]

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  • From: Berkeley CA/St. Paul MN
Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 4:51 PM

Tamiya 1/48 P-51 MKIII (RAF)

Paints: Tamiya acrylics for base; stripes and interior Golden Fluid Acrylics

Weathering: Iwata Com.Art acrylics

I've got the real world on my tail, (which means I'm flying back to California tomorrow) and I've hurried to finish this build. Naturally that means I made life hard on myself. So let's call this a wrap before I wreck anything.

There are some build pics earlier in the thread here. Not many because the plane more or less built itself. There was a nasty seam on the bottom but I'd say that was simply a bad mold or bad luck. Overall the fit was terrific – I do like it when landing gear cause no problems. I did end up a little befuddled about the antenna. After looking at the kit and a whole lot of photos online it appears that many P-51Bs carrying the “Malcom Hood” didn't have an antenna at all, but some did. (Many photos show a very small and very thin antenna with a pronounced bend.) I stared at a lot of photos and examples of very good models and I found almost no sign of a wire leading back to the tail so I left it off. Unfortunately the kit had poor decals. They were rugged enough but the “sky” colored letters just don't look right.

In the spirit of D-Day, I wanted to tip my hat to one of the smaller allies that helped greatly in the formidable task of turning Hitler's Reich into rubble. In this case we have a P-51 MKIII flown by the crack RAF 315 Squadron made up of Polish pilots. It says something that of the very small allotment of P-51Bs to the RAF, that two Polish squadrons were so equipped. They arrived early in 1944 and spent several months in the very nasty air war the RAF ran against German shipping and air bases in Norway, a task well suited to the P-51s “long legs.” But when D-Day came, more or less everything that could fly was delegated to direct support of the landings. People think of Jugs or Typhoons when they think of allied Jabo, and for good reason. The P-51, water cooled engine and all, was an excellent ground attack aircraft because of its ability to take care of unwanted problems. It was also, like all US planes, very rugged. Although elite fighter groups of 8th AF made their reputation destroying the Luftwaffe in combat, Mustangs were widely used with great effect for ground attack – after all, if you weren't flying to Berlin all that weight going to fuel tanks could go to bombs and rockets. (Both the P-51 and Corsair were widely used for ground attack during Korea when their day as premier fighters was over.)

Not for the first time, I did get dragged into a color quandry. I did as much research as I could online and was also helped by aviation author and color guru Nick Millman. Here's the situation as I understand it. RAF mustangs were painted at US factories using the “nearest” possible US equivalent paints. First there was the interior. Several paint manucfactuers produced US “interior green” but a batch made by DuPont was used for the RAF because it was a close match to the Brit rendition. I found a color sample of it and made up a pretty decent match using Vallejo Model Colors.

The plane itself got two shades of gray and olive drab. Apparently some of the 51s were wholly or partially repainted when they arrived in the UK. According to Millman, it was very likely that a RAF Mustang might get a new paint of one or both of the grays, but might well keep the OD. The P51 Bs were some of the very few planes that got the 1943 rendition of OD which is distinctly lighter than the 1940 version employed on almost all US combat planes. It's also more green. Nick sent me color samples of both and they do look quite alike.

I used Tamiya paints for the first time in months and can see why so many good modelers chose the brand. The 315 Squadron P51s fought a major campaign prior to D-Day, and I weathered it fairly heavily with Iwata Com.Art acrylics which I find ideal for this kind of work. (The green tint given the OD made it look very like the RAF Green.)

But of course we wanted stripes. This called for a odd contrast. I failed to take pics of the pre-stripe plane, and the stripes absolutely dominate the kit visually. As you can see below, stripes dominate the look of a US 51B.

Applying the stripes was done at the very last minute for security reasons, and thus on June 4th there were ground crew all over the UK furiously slopping on black and white paints of whatever was available. (One RAF pilot described as “glop, but not really paint.”) Here's a pic of a Spitfire getting prepped:

I masked the wings with tape, but hand painted it with Golden Fluid carbon black and titanium white. For my money these are the two most opaque paints on the planet in their respective colors and show the exceptional quality of Golden pigments. With a little Flow Aid, Golden hand paints as well or better than Vallejo Model Color or Citadel. I used a pretty small brush which took some time, but I didn't want the brush strokes to be too large. There was a little over-paint which I fixed by hand to given the stripes the kind of irregular surface seen on the real articles.

That's about it: more pics below taken with my ancient Canon Sure Shot which lives in St. Paul.

Eric

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, February 3, 2014 7:10 PM

I have yet to see a Jug I don't love!

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  • From: Oil City, PA
Posted by greentracker98 on Monday, February 3, 2014 6:51 PM

I agree Gamera,I have yet to see a "Jug" i don't like

Thanks everyone

I didn't build one as a kid, I really missed out on that one. Oh well I'm making up for that now Geeked

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, February 3, 2014 12:52 PM

Glad you got that sorted out Ken, nice work on the Jug.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, February 3, 2014 11:29 AM

Looks good Ken, though I have to admit I've never seen a Jug I didn't like!!!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Oil City, PA
Posted by greentracker98 on Sunday, February 2, 2014 11:12 PM

Okay we're in business here, the batteries are working fine

Here are two views of the Bubble Top Jug. I messed the Stripes up, So I fixed them and had to tape them off

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Sunday, February 2, 2014 4:40 PM

Looks like you made some nice progress, Ken!

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  • From: Oil City, PA
Posted by greentracker98 on Sunday, February 2, 2014 10:32 AM

Bish

B-17, looks like you have that ladder about right. I think I have been bitten by the scratch building bug, I am finding it very satisfying replacing parts or completely building bits that are not there.

Ken, not good news on the camera, but they look to be coming along nicely.

I guess I worded that wrong. The batteries in the camera died. I put them in the charger before I went to bed, so, they should be good to now.  Geeked

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, February 2, 2014 3:05 AM

B-17, looks like you have that ladder about right. I think I have been bitten by the scratch building bug, I am finding it very satisfying replacing parts or completely building bits that are not there.

Ken, not good news on the camera, but they look to be coming along nicely.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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  • From: Oil City, PA
Posted by greentracker98 on Saturday, February 1, 2014 10:58 PM

Hi everyone,

i was going to take a few pics, but my camera died after one.

The P-38 is waiting for propellers to come in.

The V-1 Rocket is waiting to get into the paint shop.

The Bubble top Jug is waiting to touch up a few places in the paint shop

The Razorback Jug is ,,,,,,Uhhhh just sitting there. LOL Geeked

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Saturday, February 1, 2014 6:29 PM

B-17: Looks good, looking forward to seeing how the ladder works out.

BS214: Yeah, good luck with the surgery. Bit under the weather here so I hope you're over it and healing soon.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Frisco, TX
Posted by B17Pilot on Saturday, February 1, 2014 4:22 PM
Well I figured before I attach the rear stabilizers, I scratch build the letter to climb up into the aircraft (since I don't have the Trumpeter kit that comes with one). First time I scratched something from new, usually when I scratch something it's adding or fixing/replacing something already there. Had to put her up on her main gear (minus wheels) to get the right height, and I guestimated how high the tail wheel will sit. Any way I think I settled on the template I'm going to use:

  

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:59 PM

Trabi, that's coming on nicely.

BlackSheep, best of luck with your surgery. If you want to swap your build, that's no problem. And don't worry about the deadline. While I tend not to extends GB's, I am happy for anyone who has started before the end date to carry on within the GB even after the official end date, so theres no rush.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:34 AM

While I'm awaiting for my surgery next month, I've been doing a bit of digging around on the net looking for something unique for this GB. Alas, I may have found something and might substitute the Spitfire as  my second Longest Day GB build kit. (Although I haven't made my final decision yet. LOL!) Yes, I am getting extremely bonkers knowing I can't do my P-47 model without aggravating my hand again.  

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  • From: Frisco, TX
Posted by B17Pilot on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:10 PM

I actually sat in the cockpit of one. Being a WWII reenactor portraying Able Co, 502nd PIR, 101st, it was pretty awesome when there were a couple of us in the back dressed in period jump suits in a vintage C-47!

  

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  • From: Frisco, TX
Posted by B17Pilot on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:06 PM
Raven728

B17Pilot: Looks great so far. All those seatbelts! Are they photoetched?

I had an opportunity once to climb inside a C-47, which was a really cool experience. Imagine sitting in those unpadded seats while getting bounced all over the sky by flak, then having to jump out over enemy territory. Wow.

Nope those are not photoetch, molded into the seats and painted that way. I was planning on getting better engines for it, but was like, already doing enough with all those paratroopers, so the plane is going to be OOB.

  

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:28 PM

bitbite

"Actually being shot at would probably be one of the few things to get me to bail out of a perfectly good plane"

Another would be stik pushing you out.  Smile

There's aproblem of some sort now. I don'#t really know what is scarier. The Flak or Stik? Wink

Some awesome looking work going on here!

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  • From: Talent, OR
Posted by bitbite on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:20 PM

"Actually being shot at would probably be one of the few things to get me to bail out of a perfectly good plane"

Another would be stik pushing you out.  Smile

"Resist the urge to greedily fondle the parts . . ." - Sheperd Paine "Modeling Tanks and Military Vehicles" Page 5

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  • From: Finland funland
Posted by Trabi on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:27 PM

Looks, that people have had some nice progress here!

For me just minor update with AVRE. Some paint work done.

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:38 AM

Yeah, she looks good B-17 esp all those seatbelts for the paratroopers.

Actually being shot at would probably be one of the few things to get me to bail out of a perfectly good plane...  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, January 27, 2014 12:36 PM

B-17, that's looking really nice. I was lucky enough to get inside a C-47 as well, the one at the BBMF. I certainly would not want to be in one while being peppered by Flak.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Raven728 on Monday, January 27, 2014 10:43 AM

B17Pilot: Looks great so far. All those seatbelts! Are they photoetched?

I had an opportunity once to climb inside a C-47, which was a really cool experience. Imagine sitting in those unpadded seats while getting bounced all over the sky by flak, then having to jump out over enemy territory. Wow.

- Steve

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Sunday, January 26, 2014 6:14 PM

B17pilot> She's coming along nicely!  I need to get some more work done on my C-47 (though it's in 1/72nd scale).  Luckily, I don't have to paint 18 paratroopers!  Tongue Tied

Trabi>  You know, when I think of D-Day, 'bridge layer' is not something that comes to mind.  Nice off-the-beaten-path subject there.

Gary

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  • From: Frisco, TX
Posted by B17Pilot on Sunday, January 26, 2014 5:17 PM
Well I finally have time to catch up on things and update on the progress I have I talked about earlier. I might have to slow down, as I had to send my airbrush in to Badger for repair and I already have one plane waiting for its return. Oh well, I'll just have a massive paint session when it comes back. Here we go: First off is the lower wing. Had to fill the nasty gap between the brace and wheel wells.  I decided to remove the door to the cargo area, cause I rarely see it closed in photos, plus I think it might give the radio section more light  Well here's the completed radio room, cockpit and the entire floor.    And finally where I am at now: Altogether and filling seams:  Working on casting some weapons from a infantry kit for the paratroopers. Looking at making a full stick of paratroopers about to board, so painting 18 paratroopers is in my future, yeah!

  

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Posted by taxtp on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:13 PM

I think I joined up on most of them pretty quickly, and I've had to work pretty hard to catch up.

Now that I think I've caught up, there are suddenly several more GBs that have come up. I probably enter 80-90% of the GBs, they always seem to interest me, and I like to support the guys who pout themselves out to run them.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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