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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:07 PM

MAgather

68,

My best man has a completely restored '67 GT Fastback with a 390 and a 4 Speed.  "She's a beaut Clark!"

I had three 67 Mustang coupes and loved driving them all. The second one was a GT I picked up in the wrecking yard. Alot of parts from that one went into my third car. All were fun cars.

                   

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Posted by MAgather on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:57 AM

68,

My best man has a completely restored '67 GT Fastback with a 390 and a 4 Speed.  "She's a beaut Clark!"

Good Modeling,
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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:41 AM

Looking nice, Joe!

I did something similar with my Wildcat by drybrushing the instruments with white color. The pencil is porbably the easier way of doing it. Wink

Cheers, Clemens

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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:30 AM

SchattenSpartan

Nevermind. I figured it out myself.

You aint the only one to ever do that. I've done it myself a few times.

As far as progress. Carved out the IP and painted raised detail with a white lead pencil and applied a drop of clear to each of the gauge faces. Here goes:

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:59 AM

Nevermind. I figured it out myself.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:56 AM

I'm a little bit confused right now, 68.

Are you building a B- or a G model Phantom?

Clemens

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Posted by 68GT on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:50 AM

MAgather

68,

I'm assuming Ford, but????  And that green is going to be hot.  I didn't even know that existed.

Ford Mustang is what it's for.  The Navy F-4G actually was gray and green and was for an auto landing electronics equipment trial.  If you click on the link I inserted to Wiki there is a caption below the picture.  The green was just an experiment on whether or not the jets would have an advantage in Vietnam.

On Ed's bench, ???

  

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Posted by 68GT on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:44 AM

Thanks!

On Ed's bench, ???

  

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:15 PM

Welcome to this GB, 68GT!

I put ya on the list.

Clemens

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Posted by MAgather on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:39 PM

68,

I'm assuming Ford, but????  And that green is going to be hot.  I didn't even know that existed.

Good Modeling,
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Posted by MAgather on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:32 PM

RE: Resin Casting:

This is my very first attempt at casting.  I've had it on the list (and been fully supplied) for a dozen years or more. Unlike many here, I'm a slow builder, my Vigi shown (first model ever posted to anywhere) earlier in this thread took me 3+ years to build out.

My experience thus far has been pretty straight forward.  I'm using some RTV  & resin from Bare Metal Foil, but I have NO idea if it is still available, as I bought the supplies 12 or more years ago.

Here is another image of the RTV after just being poured.  I had some extra and so quickly built up another receptical for a ventral ECM canoe.  

I travel a fair bit for my job, and so I"m out for most of this week again.  I will try to get some 'real' plastic work done upon my arrival back Twin Cities.  

Good Modeling,
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Posted by MAgather on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 PM

RE: Legos:

Rex/Dre: You have no idea on playing. I started getting Legos in the late 60's, and then my younger brother (-5) continued.  When my parents moved, I inherited the laundry tub of bricks. It was almost blasphemy for me to 'soil' them with RTV.  Thankfully, if properly cured, it peels right off.

I'm keeping a stash of a couple of bases and multiple bricks as my molding supplies, and the tub will go back to the crawl space for posterity.  And yes, that is vintage dirt on the gray base.

Good Modeling,
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Posted by MAgather on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:14 PM

Yo, Rex...  Whatcha got for colors on the crew station in an EA-3B?  I have a couple of pictures (2) one contemporaneous and one on a refurb.  I'm thinking Dk Ghost is a good choice, here is my best pic.

Don't think my link will take you to the image so P5, Image 22 (Row 5, pic 2)

www.a3skywarrior.com/.../photos-pg-5.html

Good Modeling,
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Posted by 68GT on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:18 PM

Going to do this as a crossover with the Vietnam Air War GB.   I have a 1/72 Fujimi F-4B that I'm going to build as the short lived green Navy F-4Gs of the VF-213 Black Lions.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:F-4G_VF-213_camouflaged_Vietnam_1966.jpg

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Posted by TarnShip on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:20 PM

haha,,,,I bought a Blue Angels Hornet lego set for my casting layout work,,,,,,,,,,it is a bit tempting to build the thing

almost gone

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:33 PM

I mix the putties because..  I can't really remember the original reason. Huh?  I keep a small jar of putty 'ready mix' on hand- whenever the mix gets out of whack (mostly from evaporation) I add more MEK or putty.  Whichever tube I grab first goes in the pot.. even styrene shavings and clippings to help goop up the goo.   I've used this stuff as a primary cement when there's going to be a bad seam to start with.   It's vile stuff, really.

I know nothing about resin casting, but I can see the need for it from time to time.   Good luck with it- I'd get distracted by the LEGO's and start playing.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:25 PM

I am really interested in the pictures you promised us, Marty!

I found my brush set eventually! It was burried under a bunch of spres inside the box of the Thunderbolt I'm building for the Reich defenders GB! How did that one end up in there anyway? I guess I have to keep track of my tools more! Wink

Cheers, Clemens

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Posted by MAgather on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:29 PM

Hey guys lots of good work going on here.  Great cockpit work one and all.  I will definitely be learning a bunch and have to up my game.

Dre: Why do you mix white and green?  Only for color?  I've pretty much stuck to Mr Surfacer for my filling needs unless it is bigger and badder and then I just use whichever Squadron I have available.

Here is my work to date, meager tho it may be. I decided that I might have another one or two A-3's in my future, and also decided that there is no time like the present to learn a new technique. I decided to duplicate a couple of key components by making some copies.

Here are the one piece nacelles and some seats from the office for the EW station in a dam constructed of legos:

And it is after a 24 hour cure.  

My RTV set said that for best negative stability, allow the mold to cure for 24 hrs after pulling the parts, so I haven't actually done anthing with the mold yet, but will take some shots to show you the positives when finished.  

Good Modeling,
Dre
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Posted by Dre on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:18 PM

I barely remembered to tape the leading edge seams before laying on the putty- that would have been a mess.     I need to get that edge area good and clean so I drop some large PE pieces in there to add some detail behind the flaps (once they're installed).

I can't decide what to do with the wing spoilers- they're all positionable but lack any actuator details (but scratching those should be easy-ish)...  Gotta look at a bunch of photos...

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:10 PM

That MEK is some good stuff to mix with putties and sealers. Evaporates right out of the mix when cured. Will look at the pics when I get home. Cant view them here at work.

Fast forward about half an hour or so here. I'm now at home. That seam filling and body work looks great Dre!

                   

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Posted by Dre on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:23 AM

Last night's work consisted of doing some simple seam work on all the wing assemblies that I built up last week.

Since the fit of the parts is so good and clean, there's actually very little clean-up to be done, but I do like to be thorough...   A mix of white and green putties thinned with MEK was lightly brushed onto all the seams and join lines that needed it.  Once fully cured (say about 2 days, given the humidity) I can go back and begin wet sanding and polishing these areas.

this shows the seam filling on the leading edge of the wings- this will be hidden by the flaps but I thought the area needed that extra effort.   I used strips of masking tape to mark off the area I wanted to fill and then added the putty mix.

I also began a rough seam sanding and putty spotting on the 2 drop tanks as well as some putty work on 2 AIM-54's.   I chose the two missiles  (out of 6 total) that had the cleanest join seams to be used on the model..   A little wet sanding and polishing and these will be ready to paint and use.

Slow and thorough is the way to go...

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:38 AM

I actually gave that some thought but I ended up cutting the IP from the Hasegawa kit and it fits almost perfectly in place of the decal.....and even has the back side of the .50 cals protruding out. Will post pics later.

                   

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Posted by Dre on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:13 AM

its tedious, but would placing the decals on plain, thin plastic stock and then cutting them out individually and placing them into their respective positions from the backside be doable here?

I had to do that in order to get a kit IP decal to fit an aftermarket PE IP...  

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, May 20, 2013 9:04 PM

Thanks Bish and Checkmateking. I'm moving on to the instrument panel. Got alot of trimming and fitting there. Pretty much a kit bash/scratch project. DEFINETELY not a decal.

                   

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, May 20, 2013 6:53 PM

Impressive cockpits, Mustang.  Excellent detail.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, May 20, 2013 1:30 PM

Dre

That sounds a lot like the salt/hairspray methods..   I guess that it is more important to have the base color fully cured rather than the top color?   I see that you used dissimilar paints, I imagine that helps with removing the top color as it hasn't bonded to the underlying paint.

Dissimiliar paints are key for the result. You are right there.

                   

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Posted by TarnShip on Monday, May 20, 2013 1:16 PM

Bish, that E-2 interior is a can of worms

There was an entire separate set of documents that spelled out the interiors and colors for multi-place aircraft,,,,,,,,,,right down to the color of the seat cushions and even that varied depending on if they were removable floatation devices or not

A very high percentage of Naval modelers use the variations of Dk Gull and Black, with or without some Green or Yellow Zinc Chromate for their S-2, E-2 and S-3 interiors

even the Fujimi and Hasegawa kit instructions differ on what color to paint their model interiors (Fujimi even says to use Tan and Field Grey,,,,,,ack)

Rex

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Dre
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Posted by Dre on Monday, May 20, 2013 1:02 PM

That sounds a lot like the salt/hairspray methods..   I guess that it is more important to have the base color fully cured rather than the top color?   I see that you used dissimilar paints, I imagine that helps with removing the top color as it hasn't bonded to the underlying paint.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, May 20, 2013 12:54 PM

Dre

Mustang1989- great work in there!   I like that weathering idea and have been wondering how well it works out.   Could you share a little more about that process?

Hey Dre! Sure! I used rattle can silver paint and let it cure out for a day or two. Then I came back over it with acrylic MM Zinc Chromate. I let that dry for a half a day or so and came back over the chromate with a sharp tootpick. You want something sharp but soft so that you don't lift the silver undercoat. I do this for all of my cockpit flooring and seats that are painted. On the flooring its always the raised areas around the footwell that take a beating and the seats took one with parachute harness buck'es, seat belt buckles and stuff like that. I flew in Hueys for 8+ years so I have an idea of about where the most wear took place. Its not a hard process at all and produces a relatively accurate look.

Good to see you in here.

                   

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Posted by Dre on Monday, May 20, 2013 12:19 PM

Shivinigh- that looks like a fun kit.    an experimental scheme sounds interesting, very interesting.

Mustang1989- great work in there!   I like that weathering idea and have been wondering how well it works out.   Could you share a little more about that process?

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