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Rommel vs Monty (North African GB 1941-43) Jan. 1 - Aug. 31 2014

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, November 5, 2013 10:51 AM

Remember the title: Rommel vs Monty. I realize that I included all combatants, but that should be the main theme. My two-cents.

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, November 5, 2013 6:50 AM

GM: Wow, that looks totally badass! Hope mine turns out half that good!

As to the badges- yeah since you're going to shrink it pretty small I think it's better to keep it simple. I suppose you could add General Patton and Field Marshal Alexander etc, etc but it keeps a little unwieldy- just one on one seems like it would work better for me.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Tuesday, November 5, 2013 3:17 AM

Guys, glad you like the badge.

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GMorrison , before I get to your question about Patton, I should let it be known that I added the two profiles as a reflection of the group build title, and not as a slight to the other nationalities.

Yes, Patton does belong in there, but so does a slew of other leaders.  I think I can add him in by shrinking the other two, but if an American is added, shouldn't there be an Italian represented?  Maybe  it would be simpler  to leave all the people out?   I'd like to get some more feed back before tearing up the elements of the current proposal.  

regards,

Jack

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:36 AM

So here's my last DAK build. I went a little nuts and Kustomized her with a 251 rear end (Tamiya) but otherwise stock set up.

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:18 AM

No General Patton?

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:16 AM

Cool badge Jack.

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 Eric 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, November 4, 2013 6:24 PM

The badge looks great, Jack!

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, November 4, 2013 6:19 PM

Ohhhhhhhh nice Jack, I like it!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, November 4, 2013 5:48 PM

Guys, no problem .. glad to help out.

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Been working on a badge,  so going to post what I have.  Feed back is most welcome - further suggestions, or wishes to see something totally different, etc...

- and smaller version

regards,

Jack

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, November 4, 2013 2:19 PM

Thank you very much, Jack!

I'll read through all the links you posted. The missing-lynx one seems to be the most interesting - although I don't need a translation because German is actually my native language Wink.

That being said, if you ever need a translation of anything written in German, I'll do my best to help you out!

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Posted by Bish on Monday, November 4, 2013 2:18 PM

jack, thanks for that link. But that's better than the chart I currently have saved.

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, November 4, 2013 2:14 PM

Regarding colour schemes, Bish has it right, but you should bookmark this site as it outlines the various RAL colours that were introduced during the course of the war:

www.miniatures.de/colour-ral-farben.html

The tropical scheme directives are very specific about colour callouts and their respective percentages used on vehicle surfaces.  Ron Klages over at missing-lynx gives, what I believe to be, a direct translation of those directives plus some extra info.  As stated, how closely the directives were followed is unknown.  The two tone scheme are difficult to detect in b/w photos, and is further exasperated by the dusty environment.

Some other finishes to consider:   The very early units that arrived would be in panzer grey.  So you could finish them in pristine condition as seen in Tripoli.  On  their march to the start line at Sirte, you can add dust to this.   Some vehicles also applied a paste made from the sand as a short term camou solution.

You can find a list here of the number and type of vehicles that were initially sent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sonnenblume

Interesting photo here, note even the crew is still wearing their black uniform.

hth

regards,

Jack

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Posted by waynec on Monday, November 4, 2013 11:48 AM
SchattenSpartan

Alan, how about Tamiya's Sd.Kfz.222? The fit is very good and it has wheels...

i built the DAK one a couple years ago. nice build. i did the overspray of DAK yellow over the pz gray so under the fenders, decals, turret interior were left gray. turned out really nice ind i took a 2nd in a local contest in armored wheels.

Никто не Забыт    (No one is Forgotten)
Ничто не Забыто  (Nothing is Forgotten)

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, November 4, 2013 11:48 AM

I'll have a look at that website for sure. Thanks!

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, November 4, 2013 11:47 AM

I had a look through my armor stash and my Tamiya Tiger happens to be the "Ausführung Afrika" boxing.

So here are my entries for this one:

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, November 4, 2013 11:46 AM

SchattenSpartan

Oh, I have another (probably really stupid) question:

Jack, you painted your Tiger with a sand/light brown camo. Are their any specific 

units/vehicles that used this camo?

I'm more of an aircraft guy, so I still have to learn things like that...

That is like the Olive Green Tiger that I did and open to much debate. There is photogrpahic evidence of the two tone scehemes using the official tropical colors in use at the time. But how widespread, what units and what particular vehicles is the part that is debated. If you check out the Tigers Im Focus website, which has pretty much every photo of every Tiger, units, etc, on there, you can get the information for yourself and make your own informed choice.

 

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Posted by Bish on Monday, November 4, 2013 9:33 AM

Clemens, the colours and Schemes used in N Africa don't vary as much as they did in Europe. There were 2 colours in use from the DAK's deployment until march 42 when 2 new colours came into use. But you often see vehicles in just one colour.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, November 4, 2013 4:43 AM

Oh, I have another (probably really stupid) question:

Jack, you painted your Tiger with a sand/light brown camo. Are their any specific 

units/vehicles that used this camo?

I'm more of an aircraft guy, so I still have to learn things like that...

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, November 4, 2013 4:41 AM

Thanks guys. I'll have a look at my stash today and see what is lying around here!

Eric: Please put me down for Dragon's Pz.IV Ausf.E (DAK) and a Tiger (not sure which one yet)

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, November 3, 2013 10:49 PM

I did a boatload of research on Africa Tigers before my Tiger build... LOL! much of it is still in my head.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, November 3, 2013 10:10 PM

Way to go Stik and Jack.

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 Eric 

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Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, November 3, 2013 6:35 PM

Atm, I don't think Dragon fields a kit that builds straight into either Tunisian Tiger.    So Tamiya still seems best option for now - dimension wise they are fine.

Spartan, I believe the kit you linked is the same Tiger I had built, except it was 1/48 scale.  You might be interested in this link that outlines what further needs correcting to be more accurate:

http://tiger1.info/models/products/TAM35227

regards,

Jack

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, November 3, 2013 6:11 PM

Initial production with 501st Heavy Tank battalion, and early production with 504th Heavy Tank battaion. Both type had the Fiefel air cleaners.

 

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N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Sunday, November 3, 2013 6:08 PM

Thank you very much!

How about the "initial" version? The 1/35 Tamiya kit marked as "Africa" Version appears to be an initial Tiger:

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, November 3, 2013 5:56 PM

I believe the early version qualifies. It has the feifel filters on the rear with the hoses on the rear deck.

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 Eric 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Sunday, November 3, 2013 5:32 PM

Hey Eric: What version of the Tiger I saw action in Africa? I want to build one to put it next to my Tiger 2, but I don't know which one.

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, November 3, 2013 5:30 PM

Thanks Jibber. Very ambitious of you, but i have faith. This will be a very fun and engaging GB.. Ready to throw in the World at War DVD to get inspired. ;)

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Posted by jibber on Sunday, November 3, 2013 5:11 PM

Tigerman, thanks for taking the lead on this build.

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, November 2, 2013 11:25 PM

How about a Kubelwagen with the sand tires?

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 Eric 

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