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I was looking at the July issue of FSM and on the civer is a Marder II. The paint scheme is what I am trying to do. Bill is using khaki for the green. Would this work on my Tiger? I am just not seeing the color seperation that I think needs to be.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks,

Doug

The colours look pretty good to me. This is a guess, but Bill may have used khaki prior to doing an oil wash which darkens the final colours. But there is no real right and wrong with German 3 tone armour colours, they did vary a lot.

What colour did you use for the Dark Yellow.

checkmateking02

What are you not happy with?  I don't know anything about armor, but the paintwork looks good.  Maybe some touch-ups here and there.

Just the way the colors are not separating.

Desert yellow. You are right Bill used a oil wash after the khaki was painted.

Nomad, I think the camou scheme came out good, definitely looks Wehrmacht.  As suggested,  just needs some areas tidied up.  I'd use a no.1 size brush, and use a stipple motion to avoid paint build up and it will also help mimic a slighly feathered edge that you already have.  So don't load the brush with paint, keep it light and slowly build up.  You might even want to thin the paint a bit.

Bill's Marder original base colours were pretty dark too, well accept for the dark yellow.  He lightened it to make the other two camou colours pop - this though is artistic license , and not something soldiers in the field were concerned with.

You can find his build log here:

http://www.bpmodels.net/Model/Album/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=168

Of course, if you want to do the same thing, it's still possible.  Lighten up your desert colour by mixing  in white, or buff, or even a very light grey.  Apply it with a brush over the existing desert camou you already have.  Just use the above stippling method I described above.

regards,

Jack

One other thing you might want to try is blending it all together. You could take a very thin Dark Yellow and lightly spray it all over. But it is easy to go to far with this. It would need to be very thin and only one or two coats. If you think it needs one more pass, don't, just leave it.

Just one option.

I second Bish's advice.  I did the same thing when I painted the camo on my HMMWV for the "No Arms Allowed" GB and it really did the trick.

jgeratic

Nomad, I think the camou scheme came out good, definitely looks Wehrmacht.  As suggested,  just needs some areas tidied up.  I'd use a no.1 size brush, and use a stipple motion to avoid paint build up and it will also help mimic a slighly feathered edge that you already have.  So don't load the brush with paint, keep it light and slowly build up.  You might even want to thin the paint a bit.

Bill's Marder original base colours were pretty dark too, well accept for the dark yellow.  He lightened it to make the other two camou colours pop - this though is artistic license , and not something soldiers in the field were concerned with.

You can find his build log here:

http://www.bpmodels.net/Model/Album/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=168

Of course, if you want to do the same thing, it's still possible.  Lighten up your desert colour by mixing  in white, or buff, or even a very light grey.  Apply it with a brush over the existing desert camou you already have.  Just use the above stippling method I described above.

regards,

Jack

Thanks Jack I will check the link out.

Doug

Bish

One other thing you might want to try is blending it all together. You could take a very thin Dark Yellow and lightly spray it all over. But it is easy to go to far with this. It would need to be very thin and only one or two coats. If you think it needs one more pass, don't, just leave it.

Just one option.

Great idea Bish. I will give that a try after I get the touch-ups done.

Doug

Hang in there Doug. It's looking good and with the tips everyone is offering you should be able to fine tune your camo quite nicely.

Nomad53

Bish

One other thing you might want to try is blending it all together. You could take a very thin Dark Yellow and lightly spray it all over. But it is easy to go to far with this. It would need to be very thin and only one or two coats. If you think it needs one more pass, don't, just leave it.

Just one option.

Great idea Bish. I will give that a try after I get the touch-ups done.

Doug

i did the same thing on a german 37mm FLAK and KRUPP truck, it's in the DUCK HUNTERS GB. thin paint and low pressure.

JOE RIX

Hang in there Doug. It's looking good and with the tips everyone is offering you should be able to fine tune your camo quite nicely.

I took your advice Bish and it worked. Thanks Joe for the encouraging words.

Photos coming.

Doug

Here are the photos of the touched up paint. I have put the spare track holders on the turret.

Doug

That's looking very good, Nomad.  Congratulations!

checkmateking02

That's looking very good, Nomad.  Congratulations!

Thanks checkmateking02.

Okay now what about the tracks. How should I go about painting them ans so forth.

Thanks in advance,

Doug

Ready for decals and further weathering.

Now that's more like it Doug. You've sharpened that tiger up nicely. Once you apply some weathering it will really look great. I really like your exhaust pipes. How did you get that effect on them? Nice work. Keep it coming.

JOE RIX

Now that's more like it Doug. You've sharpened that tiger up nicely. Once you apply some weathering it will really look great. I really like your exhaust pipes. How did you get that effect on them? Nice work. Keep it coming.

Thanks Joe. I am having a hard time trying to figure out on how I am going to weather this beast. There is so many things I could do and not sure on which.

I took some Tamiya weathering powder and red rust paint and coated the pipes with the paint and while it was wet put the rust powder on.

Doug

Looking really sharp now.  Nice figure too.

Well, That's a slick little trick for weathering exhaust pipes. Very cool. I love those Tamiya weathering sets. You can do all sorts of cool stuff with them. Certainly a wash will make your Tiger pop. The decals sure look good on there. Boy, you're just scootin' right along your on Tiger. Good stuff. Good stuff indeed.

not so much for tanks but for helo, motorcycle, and modern truck exhausts cheap eye shadow works too. you can get that at THE DOLLAR STORE. i have also used washes of tamiya clear colors.

Coming along nicely there Nomad. I like those Tamiya sets, they come in very handy.

checkmateking02

Looking really sharp now.  Nice figure too.

Thanks. I'm trying to do this right and learning all the way.

Doug

JOE RIX

Well, That's a slick little trick for weathering exhaust pipes. Very cool. I love those Tamiya weathering sets. You can do all sorts of cool stuff with them. Certainly a wash will make your Tiger pop. The decals sure look good on there. Boy, you're just scootin' right along your on Tiger. Good stuff. Good stuff indeed.

Thanks Joe,

I am still trying to understand the wash process. It seems that I get more of the wash on me than the model. Do I need to spray the model with Future first to give a gloss finish first before using a wash?

Also doing rust streaks is one of the things that I am struggling with. I do not have any oils but the black that my wife got me. I keep saying that I am going to get a set next time. I have mostly acrylics and some enamels. Really going to have to get more paint.

Thanks Bish.

Nomad - shaping up nicely there.

You can always make a rust paint from the weathering powder you posted earlier.  Just mix a small amount with water and a drop of dish soap. 

In a pinch, you can use coloured pencil crayons, but this only works on a flat finish.  Also, a sharp pencil gives you great control in doing streaks, but only on a level surface devoid of any raised or recessed detail.

regards,

Jack

Nice technique!

i would use the rust powder for the streaking BUT BE CAREFUL. i think my rust powder is tamia and it looks really nice but stains the paint so you want to do a little at a time, just a couple of grains at a time.

i don't put a barrier clear between my acrylic paint and my powders or oil washes unless i have ALOT of decals i need to knock down the sheen on. my painting and chipping has decreased since i started doing modern vehicles. even exhaust systems on big trucks just don't rust. so it's mix my own dust with pastels or lots of washes.

Question guys?? Does anyone make an AM 1/48 P-51B canopy already in the open position? Or am I going to have to do some cutting whether I use the kit canopy or a vac one.

Standard "coffin lid," not the malcom hood.

Check with www.squadron.com if you haven't tried there already.  They usually have a good selection of vacu-formed canopies.  Unfortunately, you do have to cut them, but it's not too bad.  I managed one in 1/72 for and F4F-3 Wildcat.