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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Saturday, April 5, 2014 6:52 AM

Bish, glad to see this GB has taken wing, I've been looking forward to it! Put me down for the Revell Germany (ex-Hasegawa) Ju 87 B-2, 1:48, in markings for Greece/Crete 1941. I expect to be building straight from the box.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:01 AM

Glad to have you on board Mike. I have added you to the roster.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by JohanT on Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:46 AM

Hi,

Finally managed to get hold of a kit.

The Italeri 1/48 G-2 Canonbird :)

What flank should I cover?

Very Best Regards

Johan

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, April 5, 2014 12:00 PM

Added you to the roster Johan. I think the G's should form the spearhead, what you reckon.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by mikeymize on Saturday, April 5, 2014 12:28 PM

Hey Bish, don't know why I never noticed it before, as much as I love the Stuka, but you're absolutely correct about the sirens. Funny how something like that can go unnoticed for so long. Here's my pics. I think I'm going to do the Regia Aeronautica version. Camo is the same as the Luftwaffe one but decals obviously are different. P.S. sorry about the duplicate shot. Photo bucket's fault.

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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Posted by Rigidrider on Saturday, April 5, 2014 12:36 PM

Thanks Guys! Good to be back with everyone building again! I now officially have a full plate, but am too weak to turn down a build with such an illustrious subject and some really great guys!

Silent Bob... I whole heartedly agree! In the past I had encountered some REALLY snooty and aloof builders that looked down there nose at you if you were'nt part of their click... (how does one become part of their click if you are'nt part of it already) and they would make you feel small and uncomfortable to be around them. I will guarantee that is not the case here. Very friendly and very helpful folks ! Welcome aboard!

Joe... Man, your just busting hump on your STUKA already! Nice work!

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Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, April 5, 2014 12:38 PM

No worries mikey. I am a huge Stuka fan but it was only recently I realised how they actually looked.

Good markings markings choice, nice to see an Italian one. I have an colour plate of an R-2 from that unit, not sure if its the same aircraft, the number of the tail is 7065. It has 4 ship stencils on the tail, I assume sunk ships. According to that image, the nose of the spinner is yellow not green though.

I hadn't noticed before, but Italian aircraft don't all appear to carry individual codes, I assume the 239 is for the Squadron.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by JohanT on Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:34 PM

Thanks Bish,

Quite like the Kette-Badge :)

Would you have a high-res?

Very Best Regards

Johan

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, April 5, 2014 2:02 PM

Glad you like it, those are the only ones I have got I am afraid and I had to cut that out of a larger image. I havn't been able to find a proper source for these badges, just picking them up where ever I can find them.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by mikeymize on Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:20 PM

Bish

No worries mikey. I am a huge Stuka fan but it was only recently I realised how they actually looked.

Good markings markings choice, nice to see an Italian one. I have an colour plate of an R-2 from that unit, not sure if its the same aircraft, the number of the tail is 7065. It has 4 ship stencils on the tail, I assume sunk ships. According to that image, the nose of the spinner is yellow not green though.

I hadn't noticed before, but Italian aircraft don't all appear to carry individual codes, I assume the 239 is for the Squadron.

 Thanks for the info Bish. I didn't even know this kit had Italian decals until I opened it. I plan on doing some research on them as I'm not very familiar with the different squadrons and groups. I'm currently reading Eddie Creek's book on the JU-87 which is fantastic but will have to look elsewhere for info on the Italian birds.

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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Posted by Nathan T on Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:40 PM

Mikey- I think I have some pics of 239. I'll get em out later in the weekend when I'm back home.

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:05 AM

Hi guys, I'm happy to report I've made a start this evening, with the cockpit together all but for the rim of the gunner's seat, plus one or two other small assemblies done. I'll zap the cockpit parts into 02 hopefully -- maybe -- tomorrow.

The Revell/ex-Has kit has provisions for the centreline bomb and twin wing racks, which prompts me to wonder what a standard configuration would be -- I'm not that familiar with the Stuka and will have to pull my research materials, such as they are. If all store stations would typically be filled on a general sortie, then I'll mount the lot. There's quite a few holes to open up before putting the wing together.

Cheers, M/TB379

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:40 AM

Mike, basically, you can load out all 5 hard points.The B-1 could carry a 500Kg bomb under the fuselage and 4 50Kg bombs under the wings. The B-2 had a max load of 1,000Kg, so in theory it could carry a bomb that size under the fuselage, but from what I can gather, this did go beyond tests as it was to close to the limit. So it to was basically limited to the same as the B-1.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by JohanT on Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:05 AM

Hi.

Same as Mike I am happy to report that I have started Cool 
Trying to make up my mind if I want to display the engine outside the airframe or not...

Meanwhile the cockpit is about to go together.

Missing the 2 oxygen tanks that look so convincing in Mustang's build.

I just might snatch them out of a BF109 build that has not come of yet.

Or scratch something.

Here is a link to a site with loads of colour plates, maybe this has been shared before?

wp.scn.ru/.../7

Still catching up with the 500+ posts :)

Very Best Regards

Johan

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:11 AM

Look forward to some pics Johan. I can't recall if that site has been linked yet, we have had some much in this GB already. But I do use that myself now and again, got some really nice stuff on there.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: New Jersey
Posted by 68GT on Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:59 AM

Nice to see some good progress in here.  I've been held up by the nice weather.  

Been taking advantage of some of the long over due great weather and doing some work on my 68 Mustang.

On Ed's bench, ???

  

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Posted by Tom68 on Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:11 AM

Hey 68GT,

That's exactly what I'm doing today, getting my 68 Mustang started after the long cold winter.

I'm still hoping to spend a few moments getting started on by Stuka.

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:31 AM

HI Chaps.

I will be joining in with the GM shortly with Trumpeter's 1/32 Stuka B2.

As I have been reading through the build I would like to share something with you all.

I have been doing much research into German colours during WWII for Air, ground and naval forces.

It seems that the general consensus is that up to late 1941 all cockpits were painted RLM 02. This is not the case.

RLM is a general overall primer colour which was used to combat corrosion and at the start of the war and initial stages of the BoB was part of the ME109 upper surface splinter pattern.

During my research I came across painting orders which stated that transport and bomber aircraft from 1934 up to 1942 had their interiors painted with either RLM41 (VMC 70989) or the darker RLM 42 (VMC 70869).

New aircraft coming off the production line from April 1942 for bomber and transport were to be painted RLM66

The painting orders do not specify which aircraft, just bomber and transport types. As the Stuka is a tactical ground support bombing aircraft one can justifiably and reasonably say that the B2 variant's interior was Either RLM 41 or RLM 42. Personally I prefer the darker RLM 42.

Saying this, there is absolutely no evidence to say that RLM 02 wasn't used as the cockpit interior colour either. I don't think there are any surviving early marks to confirm or deny my research other than the archive existence of the painting orders.

Where does this leave us?

It seems that for the early marks we could use RLM02, RLM41 or RLM 42

I would propose the theory that for bomber aircraft RLM 42 was used throughout the interior and for transports, RLM42 was used in the cockpits and the lighter RLM41 used in the after section, then in April 1942 all cockpits were painted RLM66. Maybe RLM41 was used in the cargo/passenger area of transports to make the area a bit lighter so passengers could see what they were doing.

Having recently watched the 1969 movie Battle of Britain I was struck by the fact that the Spanish heinkels used for filming, when it showed the actual cockpit interior of the aircraft the walls etc do look suspiciously like RLM 42 not RLM 02. I do know that the exterior of the aircraft were repainted for the movie and I don't know what colour the Spanish painted the interior of their aircraft during this period, but it is food for thought isn't it?

I am just sharing what I know with you all.

James

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Posted by JohanT on Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:08 PM

Hi,

I am using XF-22 for RLM02..

Not sure how close the match is but I think it is an OK compromise.



The sidewalls are getting some detail picked out atm.

Very Best Regards

Johan

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Posted by mikeymize on Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:58 PM

Thanks so much Nathan! BTW, it's an R2 according to what little I've thus located. As the date indicates 1941 I think RLM 02 should be good for interior. I'm working on that and the pilot & bordfunker since in this scale seat belts and the like would be too taxing on my shaky hands. I'm certainly getting my use out of the optivisor!

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 6, 2014 4:32 PM

Snap, some nice info there, I had never heard of RLM 41 or 42 before, certainly something to think about. I have added you to the roster.

Johan, nice work there, I like the engine.

mikey, my optivisor never leaves my head, one of the best modelling investments I have made.

We are off to a great start, thanks a lot guys. Some great info sharing and some great looking builds.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Sunday, April 6, 2014 5:47 PM

Nice work Johan. I usually go 2 parts xf22 and 1 part xf49. Just to beige it a little

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, April 7, 2014 12:27 AM

Holy guacamole, 40 pages in already!

I'm looking around for a set of etched belts to possibly add -- does anyone have a favourite? my preferred type would be self adhesive and pre-colored, but that might be asking a lot!

M/TB379

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, April 7, 2014 1:59 AM

Here's my boxtop shot:

I remembered just now that I picked up the excellent Black Cross volume on the Stuka a few months ago, which is a highly detailed reference:

The bomb load looks like both ETC-50 racks plus a 500kg bomb on the centreline mechanism -- I'll make sure it's the SC500 in the kit, then I can open up the slots and whack the wing together.

There's the mostly-done cockpit too, but I don't think I'll be painting today.

M/TB379

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Posted by Bish on Monday, April 7, 2014 2:11 AM

Mike, the only belts I could find were as part of an Eduard inieriour set. EDFE554.

I believe the aircraft on the box lid is an R-2, but that makes no odds to the bomb load. Does the kit come with drop tanks.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, April 7, 2014 2:17 AM

Thanks, Bish. Eduard 49002 is generic Luft fighter narness, it looks a lot like the straps for the 109 and 190 -- I wonder if these would do?

I just checked, there are no droptanks in the kit, just one large and four small bombs. Not sure if the big one is the 250 or 500...

M/TB379

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Posted by P mitch on Monday, April 7, 2014 2:17 AM

Thundebolt

Have a look for shop.hgwmodels.cz/.../194-132042-ju-87-stuka-1-32.html, of ones in 1/48'th if your building is  that scale. I;ve used them before, easy to use and can be made to work (if anyone actually needs that), they look great too

Phil

"If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: it's all balls." R J Mitchell


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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, April 7, 2014 2:44 AM

Thanks, Mitch, they don't seem to have a 1:48 equivalent, at least substituting that in the search didn't seem to work... They look great! Will try a generic search. M

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Posted by Bish on Monday, April 7, 2014 3:31 AM

They and the HGW fighter belts would probably work for the pilot, they would just be missing the back strap for the rear gunner.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, April 7, 2014 3:59 AM

Johan:Nice work so far man!  Like the Jumo!!

Thunderbolt:Another snake motif build in the works!! Cool!

Everybody:I buckled down this weekend and threw everything I had at this sucker!!! A little more work here and there with the rudder pedals, IP and the rear gunner ammo racks and we're sealing the fuselage up!!

 

                   

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