ss arm band

Thanks jack I'm gonna take a look.

Jerry

Didn't check back through the thread, maybe it was posted already, but found this site might be of interest for Stug fans:

http://www.stugiii.com/stugunits/waffenss.html

regards,

Jack

Thank you for that I'm big on reading I'll be looking up  those titles thank you.

Thank you for these links I'm going to get them. Seems like a handy item to have being most my armored is German thank you.

I've ordred from scalelink a few times a couple of years back, had no issues. Like the look of that mask, might come in useful.

For masks, I know I've seen some PE ones, which should be ok on flat or near flat surfaces.

https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/masks/edu/mask_edu_xt032.shtml

http://www.am-works.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=mask

This last one am unfamiliar with, but did order some figures from them:

http://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Stencilit___Pochoirs.html

regards,

Jack

Thanks bish i caught that and thought the author maybe was being lazy.

I'm off to the net to search for ss wiking decals or even better mask. 

Bish.... jgeratic thank you both for your time  that's just what I was doing. I came across the wiking division. These guys really got in thick of it. With army group South for the start to Caucasus and Hungary and Austria surenderd to that Americans and even fought there way out of the korsun pocket. Being a stug4 diorama it's going to be late war. 

Now i gota Get the rest of the grenadiers together and find wiking decals. Probably new tankers also.

Thank for the help guys I'm sure I'll need more help on this one it's a first.

Yes, Bish has it covered - regular Wehrmacht tunics could be adorned  with the pink waffenfarbe.  Recalling from past reading, all servicemen regardless of branch, were issued with the four pocket tunics during their training, and would have kept them as part of their personal gear wherever they went.

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As far as SS divison markings go, you can either pick a time frame  and a front you wish to model, or if it's more the design of marking that strikes your fancy, then just research that particular unit's history.

regards,

Jack

blackdog62

i have never done a figure before im hopeing ill get better tha plan is for the stug crew and grenadeirs to be makeing a  secure bivowack for the night. so ill have several more figures to work on and figure out arm bands and shoulder bords. and what ss was what parts of the eastern front ?

 

Most of them at some point. Some, like the 3rd SS spent all their time in the east after the invasion in 41, others moved around.

Largley depends on your time period.

blackdog62

and this marking was also in the kit i have no idea about eather one. im figuring im going to have to find some ss markings. well i dug these books out they should help with what im looking for. it would be nice if the stug4 marking was already from the ss. if anyone knows that would be great. thanks

jerry.2017-08-22_03-07-13 by Jerry Richards, on Flickr

 

 

Can't speak for the books on the right, but just be careful with the ones on the left. I think its in the SS book, they show the same 251 in the profiles of at least 2 different Div's. But they are handy for general info and unit histories.

They will still have the Pink Waffenfarbe. Its the same as if they were the crew on a towed AT weapon like a PaK 40. Pink is most associated with tank crews, but there are other who wear that colour.

Its likely the photo's you see where taklen before the field grey Pz Uniform were issued. You would not want to wear black in an open topped vehhicle, so they are simply wearing there issued M36 uniform.

jgeratic

You picked the right category of vehicle, because panzerjaeger units  kept constant their colour of waffenfarbe - pink.  The shoulder straps would have the cypher 'P', either in pink embroidery, silver or gold depending on rank. 

From February 1942 to May 1944,  crew uniforms should be the field grey version of the black panzer type.  After the latter date, they were suppose to revert back to the black uniform.   Also during the second half of the war, branch piping around the collar lapels was eliminiated, as was the coloured soutache on cloth headgear.

regards,

Jack

 

Jack, one more question.  While I've seen plenty of panzer-type uniforms, both the regular Panzer black and the SPG grey, which have the pink Waffenfarbe, what about if the Panzerjäger crew has regular infantry-cut uniforms (i.e., NOT the Panzer-cut, short tunic with double-breasted style lapels)?  I ask because the crew that came with the kit has regular infantry-cut uniforms, which I've never seen pink Waffenfarbe on.  The Tamiya Marder II kit is the kit I've got.  The illustrations and decals are based on an actual Marder II, the "Kohlenklau" (coal thief).  I've seen several wartime photos of that particular Marder II and its crew, and that's not a mistake, they DO actually wear regular, infantry-cut uniforms, not the Panzer-style uniform.  However, all the photos I've seen are black-and-white, so I can't tell the color of the Waffenfarbe.  But since I've NEVER seen infantry-cut uniforms with pink Waffenfarbe, is that an actual possibility?  Or would they have to be red, for artillery, or something else?

and this marking was also in the kit i have no idea about eather one. im figuring im going to have to find some ss markings. well i dug these books out they should help with what im looking for. it would be nice if the stug4 marking was already from the ss. if anyone knows that would be great. thanks

jerry.2017-08-22_03-07-13 by Jerry Richards, on Flickr

i have never done a figure before im hopeing ill get better tha plan is for the stug crew and grenadeirs to be makeing a  secure bivowack for the night. so ill have several more figures to work on and figure out arm bands and shoulder bords. and what ss was what parts of the eastern front ?

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thats strange how my text broke up between pics on the last one.

but this is the figure i was going to use untill i made the desission to make a diorama. still may but the headphone band has to go. and this is the academy stug 4 im useing. it dosent say what company its with but my plan is eastern front ss unithttps://www.flickr.com/gp/148521530@N05/n16HC2 thats a pic of the company decal from the kit20170608_164253 by Jerry Richards, on Flickr

since we have goten this started i have orderd a few after market items not sure how im going to uise them yet. this was for a stug4 build im doing thats one hold for now because i have dec20170821_180722 by Jerry Richards, on Flickrided to make it a diroma 20170821_180707 by Jerry Richards, on Flickrand have no supplys for it.

As Jack says, pink for the Marder crew. The real fun comes with StuG's.

You picked the right category of vehicle, because panzerjaeger units  kept constant their colour of waffenfarbe - pink.  The shoulder straps would have the cypher 'P', either in pink embroidery, silver or gold depending on rank. 

From February 1942 to May 1944,  crew uniforms should be the field grey version of the black panzer type.  After the latter date, they were suppose to revert back to the black uniform.   Also during the second half of the war, branch piping around the collar lapels was eliminiated, as was the coloured soutache on cloth headgear.

regards,

Jack

As Bish states, but self-propelled guns is a whole different ball game (and a minefield at that) when concerned with waffenfarbe.

regards,

Jack

Pink. The colour has nothing to do with the type of unit you are in but what you do.

Check this site, it's got good info and illustrations:

http://www.alanhamby.com/ranks/rank.htm

Completly forgot about this, glad its going to be of some use and can't wait to see the build.

bish and gjeratic thank you both for all this info you posted this was about the time i was dealing with that house fire. i just came across it thank you both for the time and resurch you put into it. im still working on this as it got put off for a bit and its still veary much usefull info.

For Div insignia, the 5th SS would be the easiest to get hold of. Of those 3 it was the only full Panzer Div and quite a few kits come with there insignia. The other 2 will be a bit thin on the ground in kits.

This will help you find the insignia you need.