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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, April 4, 2017 4:10 AM

Great work there LA. The yellow has come out very well, and nice job on the canopy. I had not thoguht about masking before cutting it out. Will have to remember that one.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by lostagain on Tuesday, April 4, 2017 1:55 AM

So the yellow is done, and it is very yellow, but I suppose that was the point...

So onto the job I had been putting off for age because it stressed me so much and I had no spare; teh vac formed canopy.

Read up a few articles, saw what others had done in GBs, got a new No.11 blade and off we go. Cut in gently a number of times, until the knife suddenly falls through. Before everything is cut free, do the masking.

Next cut the windscreen out. trim and clean up. Mount it with PVA and try to blend in the front edge using water on a cotton bud. looks okay. Put on a coat of primer. No it's not okay, too rough and too much water has broken the bond in a couple of spots. Reglue, clean up. This time use Tamiya putty, sand off, looks good, more primer. No good, but close, a bit of Mr Surfacer, sand off, cross fingers, prime again. Should have crossed my fingers earlier, as it is good this time.

Now ready for colour coats on the top...

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Posted by JOE RIX on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:49 PM

That is indeed a bugger that your first attempts did not turn out for you. Yet, I'm sure that you will nail it.

Gamera, That's some sweet advice you have there. That wiil go in the mental slide show.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by lostagain on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 5:18 PM

Thanks Gamera,

the use of the orange sounds interesting. I'm not sure I will use it here, but definitely one to practice on a past model.

I am using Gunze acrylics thinned with Tamiya acrylic thinner. It was over 30 degrees Celsius (86 F) on the day I sprayed the second time.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:19 AM

Thanks G. Will be worth testing out on somthing first.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:16 AM

Yeah, of course you can always paint over it if you don't like it. 

To clarify though I don't use straight orange. I paint the stripes then add a few drops of red to the straight yellow still in my airbrush colour cup, mix it well, and hit the panel lines. Then I flush that out and mist a little thinned straight yellow over the whole thing to blend everything in. You might of course have to modify this for the entire underbelly. 

I've tried using tan or brown paint added to the yellow and personally I like the brighter look of the orange-yellow better than the more dingy look the tan or brown gives it. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:46 AM

Gamera

Hope it works for you Bish. I'll admit I've only tried it on the yellow ID leading edge stripes on RAF and Japanese fighters. It might not look as good on a larger surface.  

 

Well, its worth a try isn't it. I have a few allied aircrfat that will be done in German markings with yellow undersides. So i will keep that idea in mind for then.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:34 AM

Hope it works for you Bish. I'll admit I've only tried it on the yellow ID leading edge stripes on RAF and Japanese fighters. It might not look as good on a larger surface.  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Moff on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:46 AM

I feel your pain Lostagain...yellow can be real trouble. Color saturation looks pretty good though. I hope you manage to get it sorted out!

 

By the way, I've forgotten, what paint brand do you use? 

"Gaiety is the most outstanding feature of the Soviet Union." - Josef Stalin 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:08 AM

Gamera

She looks good in the photos LA, sucks that she ended up that rough. Good luck with sanding it out. 

The few times I tried to pre-shade yellow I went with orange. I'm mostly happy with how it came out. 

 

Now thats a good tip, not thought of that. I don't usually pre shade but i find getting the look of yellowright on a weatherted finish a bit tricky. Going to have to try that one.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:03 AM

She looks good in the photos LA, sucks that she ended up that rough. Good luck with sanding it out. 

The few times I tried to pre-shade yellow I went with orange. I'm mostly happy with how it came out. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:50 AM

I am sure we have all been there with yellow paint LA. But its coming on well.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by lostagain on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:45 AM

Thanks for the support guys.

All I can say at the moment is ARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH YELLOW

Stupidly tried to do preshading before yellow:

It looks okay in the photo, but was really cruddy in reality. No amount of extra yellow was going to cover it up so start again:

Sanded off the yellow, washed it off, rescribed panel lines and tried again, looked better:

BUT the day was too hot, too humid, and the paint has dried before reaching the model, so it is very rough. So sand it smooth, just enough to lose the texture, before the third shot at a uniform yellow colour. One of my problems is poor lighting in the shed, so I don't get enough perception of the evenness of the colour density.

So, try again in a couple of days, wish me luck...

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Posted by Moff on Tuesday, March 7, 2017 1:19 PM

Coming along nicely Lostagain! 

"Gaiety is the most outstanding feature of the Soviet Union." - Josef Stalin 

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Posted by JOE RIX on Monday, March 6, 2017 9:00 PM

It is indeed wonderful to see you moving on to the paint stage. Good show.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, March 6, 2017 7:15 AM

Very cool LA, nice to see her all tidied up for paint. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 5, 2017 10:42 PM

Looks like its progressing nicley to me LA. Should almost be ready for some paint.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by lostagain on Sunday, March 5, 2017 10:37 PM

Thanks guys you are way too kind. I haven't got to the vacform canopy yet...

The carby intake under the nose had no definition so it was shaped with a slice out of a bomb and contoured with milliput. Looks much better. After a few goes the radiator inlet also looks okay - in the end I used liquid sprue to enable me to get a good solid edge on the intakes.

As you can see, there is some stuffing in the wheel wells. after this I have sealed up the cockpit too and sprayed on a first coat of Tamiya primer to see how much work is left to do - and amazingly, there is not too much.  The seam under the nose is the only area on brief inspection that needs the seam tidied up.

So it is still progressing slowly...

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Posted by JOE RIX on Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:03 AM

Yet again, more incredible workmanship from the Lost man. Sheesh, you never cease to amaze.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, February 26, 2017 7:25 AM

Wel they lok real nice, if you had not mentioned you had made the oleo scissors, i would have thought it was a bought AM set.

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Posted by lostagain on Sunday, February 26, 2017 7:09 AM

Hi Bish,

Yes I made the legs from bent up brass tube lengths blended with a little epoxy putty. Seemed to go together pretty well after a few attempts.

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, February 26, 2017 6:21 AM

Really impressive there LA. Did you make the main gear legs yourself as well.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by lostagain on Sunday, February 26, 2017 6:17 AM

Matt, great work on the 262. Again your finish is great and there is the 'feel' of a tired late war warrior. An iconic subject beautifully treated.

Slowly the MB 5 marches on. This weekend was the main gear. I cut out oleo scissors for the struts. I used some shim brass, marked it out with a scribe, and then used the cutters on the right to get the shape and then file it to shape. A hole was drilled in - should be a slot but the brass was too delicate.

superglued together

and then some hinge ends were superglued on, Tamiya primer then Tamiya spray silver as a base coat. Also did the resin Barracudacast wheels and the retraction arms created earlier.

More painting to go and a few more details before they are done.

Bish, you asked about casting resins, the best results I have had was with a polyurethane resin Solid Cast 660. Think it may also known as Polytek Easyflow 60. What I look for is a low viscosity on mixing (say 60 cps) a couple of minutes of work time and usually demoulding in 30 minutes. The one I used for the props was not fluid enough.

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, February 25, 2017 9:46 AM

Great job there Matt. I really like the finish and the NMF looks great.

Got you on the front page, thanks for taking part.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Moff on Friday, February 24, 2017 9:46 AM

Beautiful, I love the 262! One of the first kits I ever built was the 1:48 Revell 262. 

Needless to say, your finished kit looks a lot better than mine did Smile 

Great paint scheme choice. 

"Gaiety is the most outstanding feature of the Soviet Union." - Josef Stalin 

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Posted by jgeratic on Friday, February 24, 2017 9:26 AM

Hi Matt, now that is a real fine example of the 262.  Yes

I like the scheme, and the weathering suits the idea of a machine that has seen it's fair share of sorties - excellent!

regards,

Jack

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Posted by JOE RIX on Friday, February 24, 2017 8:54 AM

Absolutely superb work Matt. You nailed your 262 on every level. The detailing, painting, weathering and overall workmanship is done with remarkable skill and excellence. Thank You for sharing your time and skills with us. It is awesome!

Joe 

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, February 24, 2017 7:35 AM

She turned out great Matt! Love the NM panels. Yes

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Friday, February 24, 2017 2:58 AM

OK as promised, here is photographic evidence that I completed the Tamiya 1/48 Me-262.  The paint scheme is based off of a fighter bomber unit in northern Germany from the fall of 1944.  I took that scheme and removed the reichs defence bands and the unit insignia to bring it to 1946.  I used the later version of the nose wheel (it has no connecting parts on the strut), and left the cannon bays open.

 

Thanks for looking, all comments and critiques are welcome!

Thanks again for a blast of a Group Build!

<Matt

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by Moff on Wednesday, February 22, 2017 2:46 PM

Trabi

Well it was attempt to create fighter what was cheap and easy to manufacture from materials what were easy to get. That´s why it was mostly made from plywood. Lots of problems occured and only 9 (some sources says 30) finished just at the end of the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_154

 

JOE RIX

Moff: Well, what I recall in my reading of the Ta-154 was that it was Germny's attempt to copy the RAF Mosquito. Hence the Luftwaffe name, Moskito. At least I think. The aircraft was built out of plywood and production was severly hampered by the fact that the RAF bombed the factory that manufactured the glue for the plywood and the German's were unable to recreate it in a timely manner. Someone here might be able to add better clarification.

 

 

 

Ah, I see. I didn't catch the "Moskito" designation before, but it makes sense now. 

"Gaiety is the most outstanding feature of the Soviet Union." - Josef Stalin 

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