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1946 What If GB
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 3:29 PM

This is the offical build thread for the 5th and final GB in the series of GB's commemorating 70 years since WW2. As many will know, the previous GB's centred on a certain year and your builds had to come from that year. But this year will be a little differant.

This year, we will enter the What iF scenario that WW2 carried on into 1946 AND stay in the real 1946 as it happened just like the previous GB's . So, to take part, your build should fit into one of four groups.

1) Anything that was in service at the end of the war and could in theory have still been in use a year later. But it should have some sort of What If element to it. A B-29 in 8th AAF markings or a late war German fighter in a new scheme. If somthing went on to serve after WW2, including into the Korean war, it could look as it did then, such as ships with up grades.

2) Designs that were cancelled before the war eneed as long as they got no further than a prototype. This could include variants of types that did enter service.

3) Designs that were in prgress when the war ended, wehther they went onto enter service or not. Again, none production variants of types that did enter service can be included.

If your not sure if it could be included, please ask and i will do my best to include it. But try and keep it realistic. This would not count.

4) Builds from the histrorical 1946 as they looked in that year. This could be military or civilian subjects. Could be from the Allied occupations of Germany or Japan. The Bell X-1 which first flew in this year. The first V-2 launched from White sands. The Prince Eugun as it looked when used in Atomic bombs testing or perhaps a civilian car from the growing car industries.

Now the rules. There alwasy has to be rules.

1) GB starts on 1st Jan 2016, no starting your builds until then, but partially started kits of no more than 10% are ok. GB runs for the duration of 2016.

2) Any scale, land sea or air.

3) OOB or throw as much AM or scratch at it as you wish.

4) No crossovers please. But do consider putting your build in a WiP thread in the relevant section.

5) GB badge to be hosted on completion of 1st build.And you can enter as many as you think you can complete in a year.

Now the badge. Previous badges have featured an American aircraft. But this year, as the 1946 What If genre is more associated with Luft 46, i am useing one of those aircaft.

If anyone want to enter a second badge i am open to ideas.

And thats all there is to it. Any questions, please ask.

Now, jump on board and have some fun.

And if anyone has any links with useful information for the group, please pass tham on. This was provided by GAF and has some nice possable aircraft.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/ww2-aircraft-1946.asp

The Luft 46 site deals with possable German aircraft and has a list of possable kits.

http://www.luft46.com/

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 3:29 PM

Roster

68GT PM 1/72nd Ho 229 (Completed)

Aaronw Pegasus 1/72nd P-40Q

Bish Revell 1/72nd Ar 555  (Completed)

        Trumpeter 1/35th E-100 Jagdpanzer (Completed)

blkhwkmatt Tamiya 1/48th Do-335 converted to B-1 (Completed)

                      Tamiya 1/48th Me 262A-1 (Completed)

BrandonD Eduard 1/48th La-7

                 Tamiya 1/48th He 162 (Completed)

                 Special Hobby 1/48th Seafire (Completed)

Cat Daddy Hobby Boss 1/48th F8F-1 Bearcat Tamiya 1/48th Me 262A-1

cdr6 Revellgram 1/48th P-80A

crown r n7 Hasegawa 1/48th F4U-5N

                  Tamiya 1/48th Meteor F1 & V1

DantheMan85 Academy 1/35th T-34/85  (Completed)

                       Italeri 1/48th P-51D/K (Completed)

                       Eduard 1/48th Bf 110G-4 (Completed)

Eagle90 PM 1/72nd Ta 183  (Completed)

GAF Academy 1/48th F4U-4B

Gamera Fine Molds 1/35th Type Chi-Ri (Completed)

greentracker 1/72nd x/y B-35

                      Tamiya 1/35th deuce and a half (Completed)

GMorrison Sword 1/72nd P-80B

                 Academy 1/72nd B-50

JayW Hobby Boss 1/35th VK 1602 Leopard

Jibber Trumpeter 1/35th Panzertriebwagen  (Completed)

JMart Cyber Hobby 1/35th Panther II

          Dragon 1/35th Panther II

JOE RIX Tamiya 1/72nd F4U-1D

hogfanfs Fine Molds 1/35th Type 4 Chi-To

lostagain Falcon 1/48th MB5 (Completed)

Modelcazy Trumpeter 1/350 USS Prinz Eugen  (Completed)

ModelMan68 AFV Club 1/35th 105mm M2A1

                     Tamiya 1/35th Nashorn

Moff Trumpeter 1/35th Waffentrager 12.8cm

mustang1989 Hasegawa 1/48th Ar 234B-2

qlabs Pro modeller 1/48th Ar 234

RedFZ1 Kitbashed 1/48th Me 264

Stikpusher TBD

tates Dragon 1/35th Maus

taxtp Academy 1/72nd Spitfire Mk XIV (Completed)

tempestjohnny Monogram 1/72nd P-82 (Completed)

Trabi Revell 1/72nd Tiger I in Finnish markings  (Completed)

          Revell 1/48th Ta 154 (Completed)

Completed Builds

Jibber Trumpeter 1/35th Panzertriebwagen

 Bish Revell 1/72nd Ar 555 

 DantheMan85 Academy 1/35th T-34/85 

 

greentracker Tamiya 1/35th deuce and a half

 BrandonD Special Hobby 1/48th Seafire Mk III

 Modelcazy Trumpeter 1/350 USS Prinz Eugen

 

BrandonD Tamiya 1/48th He 162

 Trabi Revell 1/72nd Tiger I in Finnish markings

 taxtp Academy 1/72nd Spitfire Mk XIV

 Bish Trumpeter 1/35th E-100 Jagdpanzer

 tempestjohnny Monogram 1/72nd P-82

 

 Gamera Fine Molds 1/35th Type Chi-Ri

 

 DantheMan85 Eduard 1/48th Bf 110G-4

 blkhwkmatt Tamiya 1/48th Do-335 converted to B-1

 Eagle90 PM 1/72nd Ta 183

 

 DantheMan85 Italeri 1/48th P-51D/K

 68GT PM 1/72nd Ho 229

 Trabi Revell 1/48th Ta 154 Finnish markings

 blkhwkmatt Tamiya 1/48th Me 262A-1

 lostagain Falcon 1/48th MB5

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 3:54 PM

I'm in with a 1/72 M-26 Pershing.

ON THE BENCH

1/72 Hasegawa GR.4 Tornado
1/72 Cyber Hobby D3A Val, Akagi
1/350 Aoshima IJN Takao

In Que

1/72 Airfix A6M2b Type 0 Model 21 Zero, Akagi
1/350 Dragon USS The Sulivans built as USS Johnston

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 3:57 PM

I am tempted to make a comment about the scale, but I will resist. Big Smile

What kit brand is it.

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Posted by crown r n7 on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 4:16 PM

How about a F4U-5N corsair

  


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1/25 Revell 1957 Bel Air

1/1 Rey's light blaster

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 4:22 PM
Not my area of expertise so I just looked that on up, and yep, looks good to me. I found they were used in Korea, where these actually used in WW2, or did they come just after. let me know which kit and I will add it to the roster.

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Posted by lostagain on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 4:27 PM

I am in. A Falcon 1/48 MB5 vacform. Should be fun.

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 4:32 PM
lost, this is the Martin baker aircraft, is that right. Not heard of that before, looks like a interesting aircraft, nice to have this on board.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 4:51 PM

Bish
I am tempted to make a comment about the scale, but I will resist. What kit brand is it.

LOL, it's a Trumpeter

ON THE BENCH

1/72 Hasegawa GR.4 Tornado
1/72 Cyber Hobby D3A Val, Akagi
1/350 Aoshima IJN Takao

In Que

1/72 Airfix A6M2b Type 0 Model 21 Zero, Akagi
1/350 Dragon USS The Sulivans built as USS Johnston

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Posted by qlabs on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM

I'm in!
Sounds like we are going to have some great builds and some very neat looking models Cool

I have an Arado 234 in the stack of "I'll build this some day", time to dig it out.

Would theoretical builds be ok?
What if Germany had a working nuclear weapon in 1946 and the 234 was carrying the payload?
How about a 234 with Schräge Musik, the upward firing autocanons seen on BF-110's?

Would those be valid entries or just keep it to what's in the box?

Also I picked this up a few weeks ago and it seems like a group who will want to track it down, it's full of great info, diagrams and pictures. Very neat stuff.

Cheers, 
-Colin

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Posted by crown r n7 on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:00 PM

Hi the F4U-5N is in 1/48 Hasegawa with another kit yet to be determined

  


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1/25 Revell 1957 Bel Air

1/1 Rey's light blaster

1/48 Tamiya Do-335 Pfeil

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:16 PM

Hey Bish, thanks for hosting this!

I assume this would be kosher by rules 2 and 3?

Finemolds 1/35th Type Chi-Ri Japanese Medium Tank. One incomplete prototype was found by US tech services at the end of the war. For more detail see here.

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Posted by BrandonD on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:02 PM

How about actual 1946 builds? I have an La-7 from the boxing below that includes markings for a Czech bird in 1946 that I'm itching to build. I guess the "What if?" aspect of it is would the Soviets have let the Czechs fly under their own flag if the war had continued? Anyway, I'd love to include it if fits within the rules. 

 

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Posted by qlabs on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:12 PM

I found the kit in a storage bin tucked away in the furnace room.
Monogram Pro Modeller 1/48 Arado Ar234C-3/4

This kit is setup with recon cameras and optional 2205lbs bomb.

The crazy thought of this being used as a possible nuclear bomber might not be far off.
Looking through the variants and proposed variants it is possible it could have carried something with a lesser blast yeild than "Little Boy"(15KT @9700lbs) or "Thin Man" (??KT @8000lbs).
A stripped down single seat version, with no guns and landing ski as found on earlier versions instead of the tricycle gears, could probably get close to carrying something in the the 10KT and under range.

Cheers, 
-Colin

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Posted by Moff on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:31 PM

Well, you know what I'm building....Trumpeter's 1/35 12.8cm Waffentrager. BTW, I'm having trouble with getting the static URL for Flickr photos, but hopefully I can upload some pics of the JS-3 for the '45 GB soon.

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Posted by qlabs on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:39 PM

I use tiny pic for image hosting. Works well, free and easy to get links.

If flickr is giving you a hassle give tiny pic a shot, I've got no complaints with it Smile

Moff

Well, you know what I'm building....Trumpeter's 1/35 12.8cm Waffentrager. BTW, I'm having trouble with getting the static URL for Flickr photos, but hopefully I can upload some pics of the JS-3 for the '45 GB soon.

 

Cheers, 
-Colin

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Posted by lostagain on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:10 PM

Hi Bish

That's the one. The last aircraft the Martin Baker company made before concentrating on ejection seats.

 

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:51 PM

Grats Bish on getting this one going.  Still looking at ideas, but strongly considering a Seafire in Canadian markings as Canada was given some carriers at war's end. 

Now I was thinking of building a mark 46 that had the contra-rotating props (very important fix to carrier take offs as torque would pull the aircraft to one side), but from what I read this was introduced only April 1947... but perhaps more duress to get this designed earlier if the war was still going on in '46? 

btw historically, Canada never received Seafires beyond the mark XV type, so another what if there.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:44 AM

modelcrazy
 
Bish
I am tempted to make a comment about the scale, but I will resist. What kit brand is it.

 

LOL, it's a Trumpeter

 

Sorted. I didn't know Trrump did 72nd armour, will be interesting to see that.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:46 AM

qlabs

I'm in!
Sounds like we are going to have some great builds and some very neat looking models Cool

I have an Arado 234 in the stack of "I'll build this some day", time to dig it out.

Would theoretical builds be ok?
What if Germany had a working nuclear weapon in 1946 and the 234 was carrying the payload?
How about a 234 with Schräge Musik, the upward firing autocanons seen on BF-110's?

Would those be valid entries or just keep it to what's in the box?

Also I picked this up a few weeks ago and it seems like a group who will want to track it down, it's full of great info, diagrams and pictures. Very neat stuff.

 

Ye, what if's are fine. I do all my Luft 46 builds in What If operatinal schemes and i am adding a nuclear load to my 555. I take it you have the Anigrad set.

Have added you to the roster. Welcome aboard.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:47 AM

BrandonD

How about actual 1946 builds? I have an La-7 from the boxing below that includes markings for a Czech bird in 1946 that I'm itching to build. I guess the "What if?" aspect of it is would the Soviets have let the Czechs fly under their own flag if the war had continued? Anyway, I'd love to include it if fits within the rules. 

 

 

Ye, thats fine as it fits either way. I was going to add actual 1946 builds as well but for some reason i didn't. I think i will change that tonight.

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Posted by BrandonD on Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:49 AM

Bish

 

 
BrandonD

How about actual 1946 builds? I have an La-7 from the boxing below that includes markings for a Czech bird in 1946 that I'm itching to build. I guess the "What if?" aspect of it is would the Soviets have let the Czechs fly under their own flag if the war had continued? Anyway, I'd love to include it if fits within the rules. 

 

 

 

 

Ye, thats fine as it fits eitehr way.

 

Awesome, then I am in for sure. Can't wait to get started (but will, of course).

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:53 AM
Everyone else is now added, thanks Moff, and everyone else, its a nice start. Jack, would be a real pleasure to have you on board as always, just let me know what you decide. Plenty of time.

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Posted by jibber on Thursday, November 05, 2015 6:17 AM

TBD for me Bish, wouldn't miss it thanks. Terry

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Posted by ajd3530 on Thursday, November 05, 2015 6:28 AM

I have always wondered how cool a P-80 would have looked with the blue/red diamond nose of the 356 FG...

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Posted by GAF on Thursday, November 05, 2015 7:55 AM

Bish,

Wanting to see how things are going by January, but would be interested.  The only thing I seem to have in my stash (and in my financial situation, I can't run out and buy something) is a Revell P-47N, which would certainly fit the bill.  I just wonder who would have been using the P-47N by that time.   At a guess, probably stationed in Okinawa or a forward base, making ground attack missions on the Japanese home islands.

Gary

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Posted by hogfanfs on Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:48 AM

Bish,

I have several of the Trumpeter paper panzers and the Fine Molds Type 1-5 Japanese tanks. I believe any of these would fit.

I will let you know if I decide to join, I still have two GB's to finish before the end of this year. One being your Star Wars GB. Granted there will be time in 2016, but I still want these two GB's finished before I make the commitment.

Thanks,

Bruce

 

 

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:51 AM
I'm in. P-82 Twin Mustang. Monogram 1/72 John

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:11 AM

Right, I've got a question on the first category for meeting requirements:

Bish

1) Anything that was in service at the end of the war and could in theory have still been in use a year later. But it should have some sort of What If element to it. A B-29 in 8th AAF markings or a late war German fighter in a new scheme. If somthign went on to serve during the Korean war, it could look as it did then, such as ships with up grades.

 

As I understand it, any equipment used in 1945, but also appeared in the Korean war is fair game.  Now, what if it is an improved or upgraded version that historically appeared in 1947-48 which is well before the Korean conflict?

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Cat Daddy on Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:37 AM

I'm in. I've been eyeballing Corsairs lately, so that's a possibility. Another option, assuming it fits within your parameters, is a B-17G with IAF markings - they were used in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. (Aside: I love how this hobby so nicely dovetails into my interest in history.)

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