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Posted by jgeratic on Thursday, February 25, 2016 2:15 PM

Terry, that is truly stunning work and scene. Yes

Equally impressed with the amount presented, all in roughly two months time, incredible really.   Again, thanks for sharing this.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, February 25, 2016 12:42 PM

WOW! That is absolutely spectacular Terry. I am duly impressed. You have certainly turned out one jaw dropping dio. Love your work.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, February 25, 2016 12:30 PM

I enjoy it a lot, and i hope that pic is ok.

By the way, did you do a build log on the 251.

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Posted by jibber on Thursday, February 25, 2016 12:22 PM

Gamera and Bish thank you. These things always seems to start with a small idea but somehow they keep growing. I'm glad you guys enjoy it, I surely appreciate it.

Terry 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, February 25, 2016 12:15 PM

My thoughts exactly, i had a tough time trying to pick a pic to use that shows everything.

Terry, awsome build and a great scene (love the 251 Wink)

Thank you for shareing it with us, and well done on the first completion. Got you added to the front page.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:53 AM

WHOA Terry, I think my eyeballs went into overload there.....

Indifferent

WOW!!! 

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Posted by jibber on Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:29 AM

Bish I'm calling my German Panzertriebwagen Locomotive finished. I set it in a large diorama I just completed even though my figures aren't done. 

I pictured this locomotive after 7 years of war to be pretty beat up and lucky to have survived. In this setting I envisioned a locomotive waiting deployment. 

I had a real dificult time taking photographs of such a large board thats approx 34" X 22". I hope you can use on of the shots but let me know if you need more. 

Thanks, Terry

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, February 24, 2016 12:40 AM

Looks really good there TJ, so how is the kit? I've heard it's a bit of a bear fit-wise.

 

Bruce: LOL, I've got a big collection of 'bad' movies but that one I still haven't seen.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, February 24, 2016 12:09 AM

That sounds interesting.

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 6:45 PM

Bish

looking good Johnny, i take it the nose will be a differant colour.

 

yeah something different I'm doing the noses in two different styles of the same plane from the same pilot. Think of it as a fraternal twin.

 

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Posted by hogfanfs on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 4:57 PM

Johnny,

 

The twin Stang is looking good with some color! I'll guess there is only one pilot, and the other is maybe a weapons specialist. But, I still get a little chuckle if they were both piloting the plane! The plane kind of reminds me of this:

LOL!

Great job! Looking forward to seeing it complete!

 Bruce

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 4:36 PM

looking good Johnny, i take it the nose will be a differant colour.

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 2:19 PM

The war weary P-82 is getting some color

 

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Posted by hogfanfs on Thursday, February 18, 2016 1:40 PM

Bish, Terry,

I'm glad you found the information valuable. That was the main reason I decided to build this tank. I don't know much about it. And the research is half the fun! Hope to have another update soon.

 Bruce

 

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Posted by jibber on Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:10 AM

Bruce I've been building Japanese armor for years and never had all that information, really nice to know. You get bits and pieces here and there, I wish I could afford reference books on every subject I build.

Very cool Bruce and well done, thanks.

Terry

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, February 18, 2016 12:30 AM

Great to see this underway Bruce, and some great information there.

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Posted by hogfanfs on Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:12 PM

@Steve,

I figured an explanation of this tank was in order since not many know much about it. And I found the Japanese Tank Nomenclature just before I entered the post. I originally thought that Chi was for Medium and To was for the number 4. 

It would have been a match for a Sherman. However we were discussing earlier in this thread that while it was technically advanced, it did lack some of the latest advanced due the Japanese not having as much combat experience with tanks. The most notable lack in advanced technology was no sloped armor on this tank. The Japanese were at least 5-6 years behind in that department. 

@Gamera,

Thanks for the comments. I think I'll be using the Vallejo paints for this build. I still haven't decided how beat up I want to make it. We'll see!

 Bruce

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:41 PM

Welp, I already commented on your post over on the armour forum so I'll just say it's good to see you underweight here too!

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:34 PM
Bruce,
That is an extremely informative narrative. Thank you, I was wondering if there were any rhyme or reason to the naming, though I knew Chi meant medium, that was all.
It looks like the Chi-To would have given the Sherman a run for it’s money.

 

Steve

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Posted by hogfanfs on Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:27 PM

OK, gentleman, I figure it's time to start my WIP:

I am presenting to you my WIP of the Japanese Type 4 “Chi-To” tank. It’s a 1/35 scale model from Fine Molds. First I would like to give a little history of this tank:

 

The Type 4 medium tank Chi-To was one of several medium tanks developed by the Imperial Japanese Army towards the end of World War II. While by far the most advanced Japanese wartime tank to reach production, industrial and material shortages resulted in only six chassis being manufactured; only two of these were completed with neither seeing combat.
The Type 4 Chi-To was a thirty-ton, all-welded medium tank with a maximum armor thickness of about 75 millimeters (3.0 in) on the frontal plates.[1] Manned by a crew of five, it was 6.73 m (22.1 ft) long, 2.87 m (9 ft 5 in) high, and 2.87 m (9 ft 5 in) wide. Main armament was a turret-mounted long-barreled 75 mm/L56.4 (4.23 m) gun capable of being elevated between -6.5 to +20 degrees. An 850 meters per second (2,800 ft/s) muzzle velocity gave it an armor penetration of 75 millimeters at 1,000 meters. A single 7.7 mm machine gun was mounted in the hull.
The Type 4's 300 kW (400 hp) gasoline engine was significantly more powerful than the 180 kW (240 hp) engine of the 19-ton Type 3 Chi-Nu,[3] giving it a top speed of 45 km/h (28 mph) on tracks supported by seven road wheels.
 
Development of the Type 4 Chi-To medium tank began in 1943 as an intended successor to the Type 97-kai Shinhoto. The first prototype was delivered in 1944. Similar in appearance but significantly larger than the Type 97, it was the most advanced Japanese tank to reach production.
Intended Type 4 Chi-To output was 25 tanks per month spread over two Mitsubishi Heavy Industries factories. Late war shortage-induced delays caused by the severing of supply lines with conquered territories and U.S. strategic bombing of the Japanese mainland resulted in only six chassis being built by 1945. Just two were completed and neither saw combat.
 
 
And for those of you who are interested:

Japanese Tank Nomenclature

There were Two systems: Order System and Classification System, both of which are under the Army Imperial Year System

Army Imperial Year System

 

The Imperial Year was used as the standard for designating the type, based on the mystical founding of Japan in 660 BC. The accepted practice was to use the last two numbers of the year as a type number, as in the Type 89 medium tank of 1929, with Type 100 for items accepted in 1940. After 1940 only the last digit was used, so Type 2 equipment was accepted in 1942.

Order System

Each tank is given a separate name, based on the order in adaptation. The Type 89 medium tank was the “I-Go”, or “first car/model” while the Type 95 light tank was the “Ha-Go”, or “third car/model” (no second model has been identified).

 Classification System

Starting from the Type 97 Chi-Ha, the naming system was changed to incorporate the classification of the tank. Each tank would get a two letter name, with the first letter standing for the type of tank and the second for the order in which the tanks were developed.

 The majority of tanks fell into three categories – Chi, Ke and Ho, or Medium, Light and Gun, with Chi and Ke used as single character abbreviations for Chiu (or Chui) and Kei. There seems to have been a category for Heavy (O, short for Oo), but this is only “confirmed” in the sense that it was the unofficial name given to the 120 ton tank O-I.

The numbering system used was based on the Iroha, a Japanese poem. This used every character from the Japanese syllabary once, and for a long time was used to put those characters in order (in a rather poetic version of the ABC). The first two lines of the poem, transliterated in roman letters, ran:

 

 

i ro ha ni ho he to

chi ri nu ru wo

 

 

If we summarize the naming system:

Chi: Medium

Ke: Light

Ho: Gun (Tank Destroyer)

O: Heavy

 

1- I or Yi

2 – Ro

3 – Ha

4 – Ni

5 – Ho

6 – He

7 – To

8 – Chi

9 – Ri

10 – Nu

11 – Ru

 

12 – O or Wo

Using the medium tanks as an example:

 

Chi-I (Medium First): None (most likely Experimental Type 1 Tank)

Chi-Ro (Medium Second): Type 89 I-Go

Chi-Ha (Medium Third): Type 97 Chi-Ha

Chi-Ni (Medium Fourth): Type 97 Chi-Ni (never got out of prototype status)

Chi-Ho (Medium Fifth) Type 98 Chi-Ho (never got out of prototype status)

Chi-He (Medium Sixth): Type 1 Chi-He

Chi-To (Medium Seventh): Type 4 Chi-To

Chi-Ri (Medium Ninth): Type 5 Chi-Ri

Chi-Nu (Medium Tenth): Type 3 Chi-Nu

 

Taken from: http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/12/06/japanese-tank-nomenclature/

 

And here is the kit:
 
 
Here are the extras I purchased:
And my choice in paints, not sure if I'll use the Mr. Color ot Vallejo yet:
And here is the little bit of progess I have. I had to fill some ejector pin marks:
And the lower hull glued:
I haven't decided if I'll paint the hull interior, I only plan to open the top hatches on the turret. 
Stay tuned, more to come.
And as always, comments and critiques are welcome!
 
 
 
 

 Bruce

 

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Posted by hogfanfs on Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:47 PM

Man, Steve, that looks like some very tedious work. 

 Bruce

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:00 PM
Thanks for the vote of confidence guys. It is painstaking enough gluing those porthole hatches on, and trying to follow the actual photos. German ships apparently had some portholes and hatches that opened outward left, right and down, trying to look at the few close-ups I can find is daunting.

Steve

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Posted by jibber on Tuesday, February 16, 2016 8:11 AM

Thanks you all for the nice comments on the oil washes. I usually take more photos as I go along but this is all I can do for now, I hope to be finished this week. 

Terry

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Posted by jibber on Tuesday, February 16, 2016 8:07 AM

Agreed, the doors look fine. So much small work there Steve, I really like the attention you give to all areas of the ship. This will be one fine build.

Terry

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:41 AM

Terry: That dot filtering looks really good! 

Steve: Looks great too! The watertight doors I've seen on USN WWII warships stand out from the bulkheads, I'd guess German ships were the same way. They look fine to me just cemented on there without having to drill out the doors. 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, February 16, 2016 12:20 AM

Steve, thats some nice detail there.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, February 16, 2016 12:18 AM

Great job with the oils tehre Terry, really nice results.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, February 15, 2016 10:50 PM
A short update on the Eugen, although the work is taking some time. The PE portholes and doors are tiny. I was going to cut out the doors and tried to thin the back, but I would have had to thin it so much I would have made a mess of them, so I cut the doors off and attached the PE and will paint the openings black. They are so small I don’t believe it should be fine. The portholes however are drilled out.

 

Steve

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Posted by hogfanfs on Monday, February 15, 2016 7:52 PM

@Terry,

The streaking looks exceptional! Really turn out well! I still can't believe how big this beast is! 

@Tempestjohnny,

The F-82 is coming along nicely! Always thought that was one very unique aircraft! Looking forward to your progress.

 Bruce

 

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Monday, February 15, 2016 6:33 PM
Terry that looks really good. Love the weathering and streaking

 

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