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Battle of the Coral Sea Group Build 4 May, 2017 - 8 May, 2018

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, June 28, 2017 11:48 PM

I used needle files to clean up the wing seams on my TBD build. But mine was 1/48. In 1/72 that would be tiny!!!

As far as cockpit colors for the TBD goes, early production ones were aluminum lacquer, while later production ones were interior green. I don't know if the cockpits of early build ones were repainted into interior green when they were painted into camo colors in 1940 and 1941. But, some early ones that were repainted had their upper cockpit decking painted in the upper surface Blue Gray color. 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, June 28, 2017 11:49 PM

I'm going to build my little TBDs with the wings folded.

The Wildcats only come as -4s in 1/350. Imagine that...

I need 9 -3s on deck the morning of the 8th. Glued the wings together and have seams that pretty much look just like that. Have not figured out if I care.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, June 29, 2017 12:03 AM

The wingfold seams are nothing some mr surfacer cant cure if you do care...

 

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N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by scottrc on Thursday, June 29, 2017 9:56 AM

Thanks Stik,

I really don't have many pictures, and PB say my BW is at 32% and only 8% of my storage is full, so its screwy.   I also have a hard time having to navigate the billions of adds its throwing up.  I once paid for their premium service but the quality never improved.  

Until I find an easier solution to post here, I guess I can only write.Sad

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Posted by scottrc on Thursday, June 29, 2017 11:49 AM

Well, looks like no pictures from me for a while, PB sent me an email saying I must upgrade in order to do 3rd party hosting.  They pulled this crap before.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, June 29, 2017 12:34 PM

stikpusher

The wingfold seams are nothing some mr surfacer cant cure if you do care...

 

yes I looked at them again. In addition to the seams, a pretty good sink mark on the top front part of each wing stub. Cleaned it up with a little CA.

Just got another shipment of paint. These big CA models take at least a bottle each of hull red, vertical color and deck color.

The Lex has fairly substantial deck edge nets. They are in frames sticking out from the edge at about a 15 deg. Upward angle. Can't find any color pics. Imaging the frames are 5-N. The inner half or so is webbing, the out parts look to be strips. I have no idea what colors. I think the webbing is described as "synthetic", the straps look to be canvas. I could leave them overall blue, or paint webbing and straps black, or...?

Any thoughts?

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Thursday, June 29, 2017 3:41 PM

stik:  thanks for the info; didn't know about the interior deck color; a good option to differentiate builds, and avoid monotonous similarities; a got the idea for repainted cockpits from here (and maybe another source I can't recall now):

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2004/05/stuff_eng_interior_colours_us_part3.htm

doesn't specifically address TBD's, but if Douglas and the Navy did it with SBD's, then maybe they did it with TBD's too; hard to say

mc:  jewelers' files worked on the previous TBD I built a couple years ago; the "teeth" on them (or whatever it is) are pretty fine, probably to accomodate work on metal jewelry; but just because it worked before, doesn't mean it'll work again; ya almost always have to paint them to see what they turn out like

I'm not sure if jewelers' files are the same as needle files, just using a different name?

GM:  by the looks of them, Trumpeter's 1/700 Wildcats are the -4 version; they're small enough to ignore the folding-wing scribing; might not be possible in 1/350, but I'm sure your's will look fine

as far as the nets, if memory serves, canvas was supposed to be dyed to match adjacent paint--so maybe it might be the same for nets; if there are no photos or other documentation, who can say you're wrong?

Scott:  I haven't had photobucket pull that stunt on me yet, but it seems chintzy and not at all "nice" to expect you to pay for a service that comes with the free version others of us can use; I hope you can get it all sorted, cuz I enjoy looking at your builds

 

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, June 30, 2017 12:13 AM

checkmateking02

Scott:  it looks like photobucket is giving you some trouble.  Photos you previously posted have also disappeared.  Hope you can get it sorted.  Seems photobucket creates problems at times.

 

 

I just got an email from PB. Pay money or you can not post images hosted on their site Onto sites like this... time to fins a new image hosting site asap.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by scottrc on Friday, June 30, 2017 6:43 AM

Hey Checkmate,

Hate to say this, but I think you just been PB punkedBig Smile   Your pics now have the same message and mine.Big Smile

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 AM

scottrc

Hey Checkmate,

Hate to say this, but I think you just been PB punkedBig Smile   Your pics now have the same message and mine.Big Smile

 

 
Scott:  yeah, I see; at least some of them are gone--I haven't checked all of the recent posts, but gone are ones I already posted five days ago.
 
I looked at their new terms of service; got five pop-up ads while doing it, and it looks like no so-called third party postings, like we use here.
 
stik:  I think you're right about finding a new photo host.  Fred posted a possible alternative over at the RAF GB:
 
 
Maybe try them; looked at the site and it appears easy to use.
 
A few years ago I tried flikr (or whatever) and found it difficult to get used to.
 
Chintzy move on PB's part.  

 

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, June 30, 2017 9:56 AM

Hmmm.  It's strange, but some of the photos I posted here--the Devastator wings and cockpit--are still showing; but some from the RAF GB are gone.

Don't know what's going on.  Hmm

 

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, June 30, 2017 10:23 AM

For all of us having trouble with photobucket, I just signed up for an account with Postimage, and it looks like it's working well.  Not hard to use, and you can set up separate "galleries" to organize.

Here's the link again it you want to try it.

https://postimage.io/

Hope it works for ya.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, July 1, 2017 5:27 PM

I wanted to inform you all that I have re-posted the GB badges and finished builds back on the front page, after the photobucket cataclysm.  

Hope none of you have suffered too much.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by scottrc on Tuesday, July 4, 2017 4:11 PM

Testing a photo posting of the latest Lex pic.   Hope it works!

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, July 4, 2017 4:57 PM

Looks real good Scott!

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Tuesday, July 4, 2017 7:54 PM

Scott:  the picture is not coming through for me?! Confused

I'm seeing a minus sign in a circle; and even if I click on it, nothing shows up.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, July 4, 2017 8:52 PM

Wierd... it showed up perfectly fine earlier... now the gray no entry sign...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, July 5, 2017 9:51 PM

Lots to report but no art.

Finished painting the hull. One can of Tamiya red hull color, two bottles of MM 5-N, one of 20-N.

Got the deck assembled, gaps sealed. The trick is that each deck section has interlocking keys which of course were designed to create a step. I cut them off entirely and butt joint glued the deck sections together face down on a glass table.

Aded reinforcement tabs afterwards on the underside.

Painted with two bottles of 20-N.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:42 PM

Congratulations on the progress, GM.  Looking forward to more photos when you can.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, July 6, 2017 12:11 AM

Pictures... or it didn't happen Wink

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Thursday, July 6, 2017 3:28 PM
So true!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, July 6, 2017 3:36 PM

stikpusher

Pictures... or it didn't happen Wink

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Thursday, July 6, 2017 5:02 PM

Worth a thousand words--each! Camera

 

 

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 8, 2017 6:18 PM

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Sunday, July 9, 2017 2:17 PM

That's looking good, GM.  Makes for a nice patio display, too.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by scottrc on Friday, July 21, 2017 2:36 PM

Wow GM, great to see your progress and another Lex under way.  As for me, I started decalling all the planes and at the same time, doing the airgroups for my Enterprise build.  Its supposed to be 100F this weekend, so I  plan to live in the nice cool basement and should have my photo hosting set up this weekend and some progress shots made.

Scott

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, July 21, 2017 10:35 PM

Scott:  I had to look up your latitude and longitude to figure out where it'll be 100 F.  Hope it doesn't come any further north.

Have fun in the basement.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, July 22, 2017 7:32 PM

Since finishing up the RAF GB, I've devoted attention to both Coral Sea and Midway builds. For Coral Sea, made some progress on the Devastator cockpit.

Ran across this from Dana Bell while doing research:

"The first TBDs reached the fleet (in the form of VT-3) In November 1937. (The last would be delivered in November 1939.) On 13 January 1938, Torpedo Three complained about considerable glare from reflected light inside the cockpits and asked permission to apply flat black to reduce the reflections. On 7 February, BuAer asked Commander Aircraft, Battle Force if this was a widespread problem, applicable to other aircraft, or if it was limited to the TBD. The response (on 18 February) from ComAirBatFor noted that the problem was widespread and should be addressed for all naval airplanes. 

In 16 April, BuAer sent color cards of the Armys Bronze Green and Flat Black colors and asked for a fleet test. The report came from NAS San Diego on 3 October. I mis-remembered the details here, but FOUR TBDs were painted (with no BuNos provided). Two aircraft had Flat Black all the way down to the rudder pedals, one had black applied to the inside of the enclosure and the flat surfaces immediately thereunder. The Bronze Green aircraft was a similarly painted partial cockpit. The Bronze Green was reported as a mix of P-27b primer [zinc chromate] and drop black to produce the "proper shade" - note that these pigments cannot produce a true Bronze Green. The aircraft were delivered to VT-3 with a request that the unit report on the effectiveness of the scheme. 

Ive misplaced the VT-3 reply - theres still a heap of filing to do around here - but on 27 March 1939, BuAer noted that there had been considerable correspondence on cockpit colors. Bronze Green was chosen at that date for all new cockpits. Existing aircraft could be repainted at the discretion of the personnel concerned. During major overhauls, all cockpits were to be repainted. 

Thats where my guess that the TBDs were probably repainted before June 1942 came in. First, San Diego (where they would all be based by the time the war broke out) knew the fleet wanted the change made. And if the changes werent made immediately, they certainly would have occurred during any overhaul during the next three years. While I am assuming that San Diego continued to mix darkened primer for the Devastators, they might have actually applied true Bronze Green to some aircraft - its just that Ive never seen any evidence that that occurred."

Source:  http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/thread/1327561686/TBD-1+Interior+Colors

Since I'd already painted the cockpit part with Interior Green, I repainted them with Bronze Green.

Added seat belts from masking tape, and painted the ends gold to represent buckles.

Airfix didn't include a decal for the instrument panel.  Eduard made a PE set, but it's out of production, so I printed up the IP instruments on paper and glued them on.  

None of this is going to show up much under the "clear" canopy in the kit.  It's pretty thick, distorted and shows its age.

I used some weathering powders inside the fuselage to break up the color a little.  After I applied the flat coat, the shading pretty much disappeared.

Also added the little observation windows in the foreward area.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:16 PM

Well, Torpedo 6 in 1941 was using Interior Green on their TBD cockpits. At least some of them

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:27 PM

Very nice work there boss.

Just getting to my airwing.

I've been working on arrestor wires all week.

The Trumpeter model (1/350) does a good job of molding the sheaves and springs into the deck, although not raised detail. I'm skipping the springs but adding the sheaves and the wires.

Eight at the stern and eight at the bow.

I couldn't find much detail contemporaneous with early 1942, but in general arrestor wires were left in place and on their springs at all times. This means on the Lex that aircraft took off over them in whichever way they departed (Wink Stik).

I'm going to hold off on posting pictures, which I will add here, until I get it done including the sheave covers.

Bill

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