Looks good there Johnny, wishing you better luck than you had with the Tornado.

Looking forward to it TJ. I was thinking of a Jag to add to the roster and was looking at that kit, but probably won't at the moment.

Justin, I was waiting to see the dullcoat on your Lancanster, and I'm certainly not disappointed. Looks great! And so does the weathering.

CMK, I have a request if you remember. Could you show how you mask those installed landing gear (and wheel wells) when it's time to paint the wings?

Good to see you underway again, Johnny.

Hey TJ, the Jaguar looks cool! 

Good looking work, tj!

Greg

CMK, I have a request if you remember. Could you show how you mask those installed landing gear (and wheel wells) when it's time to paint the wings?

Wings installed.

The visible line down the center fuselage is filled with superglue and sanded.  The wing/fuselage joints are gaps that will have to be addressed.

I fixed the gaps in the ailerons by drilling the locating holes larger, so I could "push" them closer to the wings.  

I added the tail section, but forgot to take a photo of it assembled

Greg:  I'm sorry that I didn't take photos of masking the landing gear--or any of the masking.  I didn't think it would be of interest.  

I can describe what I did, if it'll help.

I started out by putting masking tape sticky side outward, inside and all around the perimeter of the landing gear well.  Then I stuffed the wheel well with wet table napkins.

I let the napkins dry out for a day, since tape is notorious for not sticking to wet things.

Then I went back and wrapped masking tape around the gear, sticky side inward--but inside the first application of masking tape, to cover it up to, over and around the wheels.  Sort of like wrapping a mummy.  

When I painted the undersides, I kept the airbrush at a low angle, so as not to direct the spray too far up the gear legs or into the wheel wells.  Since there isn't much for tape to hold onto around the inside perimeter of the well, some of the tape did pull loose, and shooting at a low angle prevented much (if any) paint from sneaking inside. At least, I couldn't spot any overspray.

I did have to go back and touch up the inside perimeter of the landing gear wells with black acrylic paint, with a brush.  I used Colourcoats black for the underside, but the acrylic black blended in fine, since there doesn't seem to be much difference between black paints.

I had to make my own masks by enlarging the painting diagram that came with the kit. Couldn't find any after-market, pre-cut masks.

The type of masking tape I used was "Duck" brand from Walmart.  Seems to have a fairly low tack.

I did finish the painting and applying a gloss coat with Humbrol gloss, but then I had to leave on vacation, and the Hampden is sitting at home waiting for me to return to it.

Again, I'm sorry now I didn't take photos, but I hope the description was somewhat helpful.

Reporting in on black basing. Still in testing stage.

Urge all of you to check Doog's short video “black basing” for a quick introduction. (Since then he has made a series of longer videos on the same subject showing how to use the technique with various camo scheme – including the green and gray I'll be using. There's maybe four hours worth.)

The object is to create a surface that shows tonal variation. Doog has a million photos to show what he's talking about (and some examples of models that he doesn't like). He rightly observes that aircraft and tanks show a wide variation of tone and colors that don't match obvious shadow lines along the panels etc. So preshading is out out out. You prime the model in black – not gray. Then you enter the “mottling” stage. Here you paint “small” - very low psi, very close with the airbrush, with the object small dots, thin lines that kind of blanket an area. You're encouraged to use different shades, but more importantly, different concentration. Also different colors – but in this case I was using neutral gray and stuck variations on it. Most of the mottling is the base coat neutral gray; some is a darker shade and some a lighter. Some areas are more heavily covered than others. You can below that the area on the lower half of the wings near the fuselage is more densely mottled than the tips: the front middle is in between. The result looks pretty crummy but it's supposed to. Think of this as a more complex and I think realistic form of preshading. And Doog's right about one thing – look at photos and real aircraft and you don't see panels lines appearing in perfectly symmetry – if you see them at all, they're part of a fruit salad of tones and colors. Do remember that WWII (or service aircraft today) planes didn't get the kind of baked on paint job you'd find on a modern car, and they were assaulted by about every kind of matter that could imaginably make a plane untidy. Here are two pics – one of the whole plane (only did wings and tailplane) and a closeup of a wing.

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modelcrazy

Well nuts! I was applying some Silly Putty to the wheel wells, wasn't thinking and pushed the wheel well right out of its glued location. I could fish it out but am going to have a hard time getting it back in correctly. Any ideas without cracking the fuselage open and possibly damaging it beyond repair? I have an idea to drill a hole in the wheel well, put something like a dental tool through the hole, fish it back through the opening, pull it up against its location and re-glue.

 

Nuts indeed. Short of closeing up the landing gear and doing an in flight build, i think that might be your best option.

Looking good there check.

Some nice work there Eric and nice write up. I have tried black baseing a few times and while i do get some subtle effect on light colours such as light blue undersides i don't have any luck with darker colours.

Bish

 

 

modelcrazy

Well nuts! I was applying some Silly Putty to the wheel wells, wasn't thinking and pushed the wheel well right out of its glued location. I could fish it out but am going to have a hard time getting it back in correctly. Any ideas without cracking the fuselage open and possibly damaging it beyond repair? I have an idea to drill a hole in the wheel well, put something like a dental tool through the hole, fish it back through the opening, pull it up against its location and re-glue.

 

 

 

 

Nuts indeed. Short of closeing up the landing gear and doing an in flight build, i think that might be your best option.

 

CMK02: Looks good to me! 

Steve: Oh gosh, yeah I've done that a few times including a 1/48th Rafael (either Trumpeteer or Hobbyboss, I don't remember) where I never could get the friggin' well back in place. I ended up just building her in flight, which looks funny since I didn't have a modern French pilot for her... 

Good luck, crossing my fingers for you. 

Eric: Thanks for the run-down. I haven't visited Doogs site in probably over a year. I'll have to dig out a paint mule and give that a try. 

Thanks guys, I'll get it somehow.

Funny I started experimenting with black basing before I knew it was such a thing. I stink at pre-shading so much that I ended up basing the whole thing black anyway. I just didn't do the mottling part. I'm going to give that a go with the Tornado.

MAN!!! EB, Justin, TJ, CMK, MC, Damian, Hope I'm not missing any one... What progress! Such a broad base of builds and such good work!... Bish, you need to be nominated for GB Idea of the year( if it were available) ! lol... Amazing guys! 

Well heres my offering...

Un-clamped and ready to continue!

Sorry. Flickr still being a PAIN IN THE AZZ, and not working properly. When I go back and try to select another picture it goes to "Bad Panda" appology screen picture. And I don't want to replace a smashed computer. I'll try later today... Take care all, Doug

Well Steve, the pick idea is what I would attempt first. IF that was not reasonable or feasable I would close it up and make a hanger in flight bird instead, like Bish mentioned.

BK

hi some dodgy guy on my thread sugested i enter here , o sorry mate it was you lol  1/72 hawker hurricane :) thanks   ,  started this today Heller Humbrol 1/72 Hawker Hurricane Mk.IIc doing it as a night fighter and going to chop it up a bit to add detail :) well the fun has started cut off door and a panel for the fake engine , still more to add but started fake engine and engine mount frame

Fredthefoot`s Models

hi some dodgy guy on my thread sugested i enter here , o sorry mate it was you lol  1/72 hawker hurricane :) thanks

 

Hey, Fred's here! Welcome!

I'll bet Bish will let you in. 

lol thanks mate :)

checkmateking02

Greg: I'm sorry that I didn't take photos of masking the landing gear--or any of the masking. I didn't think it would be of interest. I can describe what I did, if it'll help.

No need to be sorry, my friend. Your detailed description is most helpful.

I've tried the inside out masking before, and I've tried stuffing with wet tissue (you used napkins). The inside out is too flimsy, the tissue doesn't form the greatest seal.

Doing both is a great idea. The wadded paper should help keep the tape in place. Thanks!

Reason I asked, I've been getting away with installing landing gear as one of the last touches on my 1:48 builds. But on larger models like this one, I'd prefer to have a very good plastic to plastic bond (weld), and it seems best to do it earlier. Same for flimsy gear on smaller models, I'd think.

So that was very helpful, Thanks again. 

Incidentally, don't 'ya just hate it when life's little unpleasantries, such as vacations, get in the way of our hobby? 

Greg

 

Fredthefoot`s Models

hi some dodgy guy on my thread sugested i enter here , o sorry mate it was you lol  1/72 hawker hurricane :) thanks

 

 

 

 

Hey, Fred's here! Welcome!

I'll bet Bish will let you in. 

 

O, i don't know about that

Got you on the roster Fred, glad to have you on board.

modelcrazy

I have an idea to drill a hole in the wheel well, put something like a dental tool through the hole, fish it back through the opening, pull it up against its location and re-glue.

Steve - Just an idea for a modification to this technique . . . 

Drill the hole, then stretch a piece of sprue so that one end is kindof tapered to a larger diameter than the hole.  (In my experience - this usually happens naturally)  Cut the stretched piece so that you can thread it throught the hole with the fat end on the (hidden) backside of the wheel well.  Pull the sprue tight and glue it to the back of the wheel well.   And there's your handle to manipulate the gear well into position.  Then, after you position and glue the wheel well solidly into the fuselage, just trim the "sticky-outy" part of the handle flush with the surface.  Now your handle has already filled the hole.  It might require some touch-up, but you were gonna hafta do that anyway.

Never done it before - but it seemed like an easy way to kill two birds with one sprue.

For "handleability" you could even make two really small holes and use two smaller diameter pieces of sprue.  Easier cleanup, but then you might need a third hand to do the gluing.

Chris

Rigidrider

MAN!!! EB, Justin, TJ, CMK, MC, Damian, Hope I'm not missing any one... What progress! Such a broad base of builds and such good work!... Bish, you need to be nominated for GB Idea of the year( if it were available) ! lol... Amazing guys! 

Well heres my offering...

Un-clamped and ready to continue!

Sorry. Flickr still being a PAIN IN THE AZZ, and not working properly. When I go back and try to select another picture it goes to "Bad Panda" appology screen picture. And I don't want to replace a smashed computer. I'll try later today... Take care all, Doug

 

Well thank you Doug. I have had some successful GB's over the years and a few less so. But i never expected this to take off as it has. Guess i had to hit the right spot at some point.

Thats coming along nicely. Shame your having issues with Flickr, i have not had any problems yet. I hope its not going to do a PB on us.

modelcrazy

Well nuts! I was applying some Silly Putty to the wheel wells, wasn't thinking and pushed the wheel well right out of its glued location. I could fish it out but am going to have a hard time getting it back in correctly. Any ideas without cracking the fuselage open and possibly damaging it beyond repair? I have an idea to drill a hole in the wheel well, put something like a dental tool through the hole, fish it back through the opening, pull it up against its location and re-glue.

 

modelcrazy

Well nuts! I was applying some Silly Putty to the wheel wells, wasn't thinking and pushed the wheel well right out of its glued location. I could fish it out but am going to have a hard time getting it back in correctly. Any ideas without cracking the fuselage open and possibly damaging it beyond repair? I have an idea to drill a hole in the wheel well, put something like a dental tool through the hole, fish it back through the opening, pull it up against its location and re-glue.

 

modelcrazy

I have an idea to drill a hole in the wheel well, put something like a dental tool through the hole, fish it back through the opening, pull it up against its location and re-glue.

That was my thought too, then I read you had same idea. As others have mentioned, might be something better to hold "pulling-up" pressure than a dental tool, but I think the concept is spot on.

Eric, thanks for the step-by-step on the black-basing. I am interested in learning techniques like this.

Doug, you're moving right along. And oh no, not Flickr trouble.

Board up your windows and get out the sandbags.

    More Hurricane's comin' in.

Welcome Fred !

lol thank you Bossman :)

Doug: Looks very good! 

Fred: Welcome aboard!!! 

We can always use another Hurricane. Plus Greg's Typhoon. And hopefully my Tempest if she doesn't blow out before she reachs the coast... 

PS: Great idea there Chris, I'm going to remember that for the next time I get a loose wheel well. 

"Steve - Just an idea for a modification to this technique . . . 

Drill the hole, then stretch a piece of sprue so that one end is kindof tapered to a larger diameter than the hole.  (In my experience - this usually happens naturally)  Cut the stretched piece so that you can thread it throught the hole with the fat end on the (hidden) backside of the wheel well.  Pull the sprue tight and glue it to the back of the wheel well.   And there's your handle to manipulate the gear well into position.  Then, after you position and glue the wheel well solidly into the fuselage, just trim the "sticky-outy" part of the handle flush with the surface.  Now your handle has already filled the hole.  It might require some touch-up, but you were gonna hafta do that anyway.

Never done it before - but it seemed like an easy way to kill two birds with one sprue.

For "handleability" you could even make two really small holes and use two smaller diameter pieces of sprue.  Easier cleanup, but then you might need a third hand to do the gluing.

Chris"

Now THAT my friend is a FANTASTIC idea!!!

If it dosn't work I can fish it out and try again. If all else fails I'll just put it flight which would be just as nice looking.

Thanks Chris