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The Race Into Space GB, October 2018 - July 2019 (Ended)

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, October 20, 2018 10:31 AM

Looking really good, Eagle90. Nice to hear it is clicking nicely too. I love watching these things come together. I like that Apollo version you picked out. Can't wait to see it with paint. Yes

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Posted by Eagle90 on Saturday, October 20, 2018 11:10 AM

Bakster

Looking really good, Eagle90. Nice to hear it is clicking nicely too. I love watching these things come together. I like that Apollo version you picked out. Can't wait to see it with paint. Yes

 

Thank you!  It is a nice kit.  I like the subject too.  I also have the Apollo Saturn V, Saturn V with Skylab, and the Vostok.  Should look pretty good on the shelf when they are done.

 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, October 20, 2018 11:13 AM

Eagle90
I also have the Apollo Saturn V, Saturn V with Skylab, and the Vostok.  Should look pretty good on the shelf when they are done.

Nice! Yes it should!

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Saturday, October 20, 2018 1:06 PM

Eagle90, depending on the scales, I hope you have a big shelf for them (smile). I hope to finish the lunar lander and do another with the old Monogram 1/48 Gemeni / Mercury Gus Grissom combo kit.

I like everything that I see going on here, THIS IS A GREAT GB!!!

Ben

"Everyones the normal until you get to know them" (Unknown)

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Posted by Eagle90 on Sunday, October 21, 2018 1:28 PM

DRUMS01

Eagle90, depending on the scales, I hope you have a big shelf for them (smile). I hope to finish the lunar lander and do another with the old Monogram 1/48 Gemeni / Mercury Gus Grissom combo kit.

I like everything that I see going on here, THIS IS A GREAT GB!!!

Ben

 

LOL!  The shelves I have now will hold the Saturn IB....I don't think it will hold the Saturn V.  LOL!

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:24 PM

DRUMS01

Eagle90, depending on the scales, I hope you have a big shelf for them (smile). I hope to finish the lunar lander and do another with the old Monogram 1/48 Gemeni / Mercury Gus Grissom combo kit.

 

I like everything that I see going on here, THIS IS A GREAT GB!!!

Ben

 

Ditto

You guys are doing amazing work!!!

 

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by PFJN on Sunday, October 21, 2018 11:11 PM

Hi,

I managed to get a couple things done on my build this weekend, including modifying the vertical tail and drawing up some new parts in CAD and 3D printing them, as shown below.

In the 1st picture you can see the modified vertical tail, the new thruster pods and the new aft end/bulkhead, plus the main fuselage, that I've been continueing to touch up, sand and clean up.  For the vertical tail, I took the kits existing one, extended it aft end (with plastic strips and putty), and also trimmed down a little.  In addition I also 3D printed a small "shape" to be glued to its tip (that you can maybe just see above the tail piece in the picture.

For the aft end/bulkhead, I made a 2D scan of the back end of the fuselage, so that I could trace out the shape in a CAD program.  I then used that tracing to build up a simple 3D extrusion (with a lip around it) that I could glue into the fuselage as a plug.  The 1st image below shows this bulkhead laying aft of the fuselage, and the 2nd image shows it glued into place.  Overall everything worked out well building this piece this way, and it went in placce with very little additional sanding, once printed.

The 1st image also shows the thruster pods separate from the fuselage, while the 2nd image shows them glued in place.  For these pieces I roughly traced out their shapes in CAD using the artwork that I found on the internet, and in my shuttle book, as guidance.  I then made them into simple 3D shapes in CAD by extruding and/or rotating parts of the sketches.  While in CAD I also played a little with their shape to make sure that they conformed with the shape of the fuselage, by cutting away a little of their inner edges, prior to 3D printing them.

In  the bottom picture you can also see my astronaut figure that I continue to mess a bit with.  For the most part I have reshaped his head/helmet and trid to thicken up his limbs a little.  Hopefully with just a little more work he might soon be ready to paint.

Additionally, you can also see a small box that I printed out to serve as the wheel well for the forwar landing gear.  Now I have to figure out how to glue it in place Surprise.  Though, I will also soon have to figure out what to do about the landing gear too Stick out tongue

Regards

PF

Parts 1Parts 2

 

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, October 22, 2018 11:23 AM

PF: She's coming along great!!! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by GAF on Monday, October 22, 2018 6:27 PM

Eagle90>  Nice looking Saturn 1B.  I'm not familiar with the Airfix kits, so it's a surprise that they actually produced some American rockets.  I was wondering if you were going to save this for Bish's Airfix Anniversary GB.  Would be appropriate.

PFJN>  It's beginning to look like a shuttle!  I am envious of having the ability to print out parts!  As for the landing gear, perhaps you could scratch up the gear and print out the tires?

Progress Report:

My own progress has slowed down this weekend because of a number of factors, the most important of which was I was FLC (Feeling Like C**p).  I still am FLC.  I have been soaking the Service Module sides in Easy-Off Oven Spray, but the effect is almost non-existent.  The paint seems to become "brittle", and I can scrap it off with my fingernail, but the toothbrush is useless.  I resorted to using a wire-brush, but even it cannot get some spots off.  This 50 year old enamel paint is really tough!  It's turning into quite a job.

Meanwhile, I took other parts that don't need paint removed and soaked them in warm, soapy water to remove 50 years of dirt and grime before I paint them.  The one good thing about modeling spacecraft is you don't have to worry too much about wear and tear on them after you've painted them.  A pristine paint job is just as good.

Today in Space History: "The Grumpy Crew"

1968 October 22 - .

  • Landing of Apollo 7 - . Return Crew: Cunningham, Eisele, Schirra. Nation: USA. Related Persons: Cunningham, Eisele, Schirra. Program: Apollo. Flight: Apollo 7.

    The SPS engine was used to deorbit after 259 hours 39 minutes of flight. CM-SM separation and operation of the earth landing system were normal, and the spacecraft splashed down about 13 kilometers from the recovery ship (27.32 N 64.04 W), the U.S.S. Essex at 11:11 GMT. Although the vehicle initially settled in an apex-down ("stable 2") attitude, upright bags functioned normally and returned the CSM to an upright position in the water. Schirra, Eisele, and Cunningham were quickly picked up by a recovery helicopter and were safe aboard the recovery vessel less than an hour after splashdown.

    All primary Apollo 7 mission objectives were met, as well as every detailed test objective (and three test objectives not originally planned). Engineering firsts from Apollo 7, aside from live television from space, included drinking water for the crew produced as a by-product of the fuel cells. Piloting and navigation accomplishments included an optical rendezvous, daylight platform realignment, and orbital determination via sextant tracking of another vehicle. All spacecraft systems performed satisfactorily. Minor anomalies were countered by backup systems or changes in procedures. With successful completion of the Apollo 7 mission, which proved out the design of the Block II CSM (CSM 101), NASA and the nation had taken the first step on the pathway to the moon.

    Although the systems worked, the crew became grumpy with head colds and talked back to the ground. As a result, NASA management determined that none of them would fly again. Apollo 7 landed at 07:12 GMT.



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Posted by Gamera on Monday, October 22, 2018 7:53 PM

Gary: Wow, if the oven cleaner won't get the paint off I don't know anything stronger that won't ruin the plastic. Can you just sand the paint down smooth and prime over it?

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Monday, October 22, 2018 8:55 PM

Gamera>  The paint is coming off, though in patches.  As I reported earlier, it is rather brittle and can be scraped off with a popscicle stick.  That's what I'm trying to do.  It has removed a lot of the paint, but patches are still hanging on, espcially in cracks and crevices.  I have a lot of scraping to do to get all of it off, and perhaps a bit of sanding with a pointy file.

I dropped by the grocery store this evening and picked up some Pine Sol.  I have a couple of the most difficult pieces soaking in it as a test, so we'll see how that works.  I thought this stuff would be difficult to remove, but not like this!

Gary

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, October 22, 2018 9:05 PM

Gary, have you tried Purple Power? You can find it Wal-Mart.

Steve

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GAF
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Posted by GAF on Monday, October 22, 2018 11:20 PM

Steve> Yes, first thing I tried.  Seemed to have no effect, though it did remove the acrylic and metallic paints.  This enamel is tough, but it's coming off slowly but surely.

Gary

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Posted by mach71 on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:30 AM

 

 

Sorry I'm late to start my build, but I've finally started!

 

 

The build starts with the Launch escape tower.

 

This is such a HUGE kit, but the part tags are the smallest I've ever seen.

 

I'm having to use my magnifieing light to read them. The issues of being 59.

 

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 12:07 PM

mach71
This is such a HUGE kit, but the part tags are the smallest I've ever seen.

I can see what you mean! That is crazy.. Lol. 

That will be a cool model when finished. I was thinking about buying that one.

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Posted by PFJN on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 2:07 PM

GAF

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PFJN>  It's beginning to look like a shuttle!  I am envious of having the ability to print out parts!  As for the landing gear, perhaps you could scratch up the gear and print out the tires?
...

Hi,

I may look into that.  The printer has come in handy several times, though being kind of a low end model it does have limitations on what you can do.  Maybe if I win the MegaMillions I could look into a new printer Stick out tongue

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Posted by mach71 on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 3:01 PM

Winning the MegaBillions tonight would alow you to build a real shuttle!

I'm impressed with your scratch building ability.

I'm almost done the escape/jettison rockets. The detail on the kit is great!

The fit is just average. Unfortunatly the instructions are kind of vague. I've downloaded the Space In Miniature Mercury book. It's been a big help so far.

I had to use this image to get the alignment of parts correct.

Where I am now:

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Posted by mach71 on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 3:55 PM

GAF, Have you tried brake fluid? I've never used it but I've heard it works.

 

I've never had any luck removing paint from a model. For the Star Trek group build nothing would take the paint off my Romulan BOP. I ended up just sanding and repriming until I got an acceptable finish. I know this won't work for you.

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 7:35 PM

Coming along slowly...

It has eyes! (still to be finished)

 

It has legs! (less the locking trusses)

 

And now the fun part of detailing (adding the plume deflectors, the mesa and ladder, docking window, painting and trying to fix those filled solid thruster cones, proper antennas, detailed docking port, rivets, velcro, etc., etc.)...

Not my best work, but it will have to do.....

v/r,

Ben

 

"Everyones the normal until you get to know them" (Unknown)

LAST COMPLETED:

1/35 Churchill Mk IV AVRE with bridge - DONE

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 11:41 PM

I love your eagle head Drums. Clearly I like the Bald Eagle.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:12 AM

Modelcrazy, thanks! Now that my Apollo 11 lunar module decent stage has legs, or talons in this case, I can say that Eagle has landed... Surprise

"Everyones the normal until you get to know them" (Unknown)

LAST COMPLETED:

1/35 Churchill Mk IV AVRE with bridge - DONE

NEXT PROJECT:

1/35 CH-54A Tarhe Helicopter

 

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Posted by Eagle90 on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:32 AM

[quote user="GAF"]

Eagle90>  Nice looking Saturn 1B.  I'm not familiar with the Airfix kits, so it's a surprise that they actually produced some American rockets.  I was wondering if you were going to save this for Bish's Airfix Anniversary GB.  Would be appropriate.


Thank you Sir!  I have MANY more Airfix kits for the GB.  I may even more then one.  My main one will be the Mini Cooper.  I did one for my wife a few years back.  I was going to do a matching one for me..you know his/her type thing.  Since her passing, I want to do it for her again.  Maybe a different color?  Not sure yet.  But that will be my main build for that....then who knows!  I'm leaning towards the Lightning.  Whistling

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 11:28 AM

Again great work guys! 

Ben: Looks fantastic to me! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:29 PM

I apologize for being away for a day.  My sister was rushed to the hospital Monday and I was there most of the day yesterday.  Luckily, nothing too serious, but a good scare.

Mach71>  That Atomic City Mercury capsule is going to be huge!  I must admit I sure would like to acquire one, but I'm not sure where I would put it.  I have a few models like that sitting in my closet just waiting for more shelf space.  Smile

I feel your pain about the small number tabs.  I have to keep a magnifying glass handy for a lot of things.

Ben>  I must admit that your work doesn't look poor to me.  Considering most of that descent stage is scratch-built, I would say you've done a fantastic job at recreating it.

Hope everyone else's projects are coming along nicely!

Progress Report

I'm happy to report that I've managed to get most of the paint off the Service Module panels.  The Pine Sol seems to have softened the paint up enough to allow it to be scraped off with a bristle brush (or maybe it was a combination of all the stuff).  I may have to go over some spots with fine sand paper, but overall the worst of it is gone.  I'll post up some pictures later of the cleaned parts.  There are still a few smaller pieces I need to scrub, but generally it's done.

I have heard that brake fluid works too, but haven't tried that on anything previously.  Hopefully, that won't be necessary.  I will have to clean up some other models if I get to the projects I planned on after this one for this Group Build.

Meanwhile, I'm cutting some circles out of matte board in order to form the lower Instrument Section that the entire model should sit on.  It's going to be an interesting scratch-build.

Gary

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:53 PM

Below: PE applied to the capsule and the top pieces postioned just to see how it's looking.

I like to think outside of the box, and this project is no different. I want to simulate glass for the portholes. This ended up being a big challenge because the PE window frames have the windows filled in. I considered many options to fix this that included drilling them out. I practiced on some spare PE and though I was able to drill into larger pieces of PE, it wasn't easy. PE metal is tough stuff! An attempt to drill into my tiny window frames is a no-go situation. I tried grinding a hole into PE as well, and that proved even more difficult. I scrapped that idea in lieu of making new frames out of a material that I can work with. 

First things first: I needed a material I can use to make a mold. In my memory banks I remember seeing a demo on something called Blue Stuff. I ordered it. But--I ordered something more readily available in the states. Link to it as follows:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DVXH2BT/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Below is how this stuff looks. It comes in bars. If you are interested in how to use it--watch the link below. I highly recommend you do; this stuff is amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVZLXLaidjQ

Just an FYI: You can see my attempt to mold the entire capsule. This was one of several directions that I went. Though, I was able to do it--I always ended up with a minor imperfection somewhere on the piece. The shape of the piece is partly why it was so difficult. That--and I was trying to make the mold as one piece, not two halves. I did not want to deal with joins because of all the fine detail on the capsule.

Below: This kit comes with a boilerplate capsule that I am not using. I used it apply one of the PE window frames to. I wanted to cast the piece with the correct curve to it.

The foreground piece shows how the mold looks. It captures detail very nicely. There are several things that I really like about this stuff and one of them is that it sets like vulcanized rubber. What I mean by that is it holds the shape of the original cast. You can bend it every which way, but it always reverts to the original shape it was cast in. The stuff is reusable too!

 

 

Now--what to use for the cast. I tried several things, including melted sprue. That worked really well in capturing detail, and for keeping the piece thin. The problem with it was, cutting the hole. It was too fragile. I even tried making a special mold where the center of it had a rod. This created the hole automatically as the sprue-goo hardened around it. In the end, it did not work well. I couldn't get a nice clean hole out of it.

I decided on Apoxie Sculpt. It's stronger, and it's very easy to cut or sand.

Below: Here is how it looks after trimming and shaping. It is delicate work. I tried to get it as thin as possible to maintain scale without breaking it. I ruined a few pieces in the process.  

Below: Here is how it looks with paint. You can see that I was not able to match the thinness of PE. I compared using the supplied PE verses my deal-- and I decided to move forward with the glassed version. Though out of scale takes away from it some--the glass adds a lot to it. It's a compromise, but a better one in my mind. I don't have the glass shown in this image. 

Speaking of the glass: I will use acrylic rod for it. I ordered several rods a few months back, not even for this project. Sometimes fate smiles on you because I pulled one out the box and the diameter fit perfectly. I will mount it from the back. More on that later.

Next up: I will gloss coat for decals.

End of update.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 2:29 PM

Sorry to hear about your sister, Gary. I hope she recovers well.

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Posted by PFJN on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 3:24 PM

GAF

I apologize for being away for a day.  My sister was rushed to the hospital Monday and I was there most of the day yesterday.  Luckily, nothing too serious, but a good scare.

...

Hi,

Hope all is well. Smile

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Posted by PFJN on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 3:26 PM

Bakster

I like to think outside of the box, and this project is no different. I want to simulate glass for the portholes. This ended up being a big challenge because the PE window frames have the windows filled in.

... 

...

Wow, that looks great Surprise

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:50 PM

PFJN

Wow, that looks great Surprise

 

Thanks, my friend. It's fun to try new things!

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, October 25, 2018 12:26 AM

Smokin lookin capsule Bakster.

Gary, I hope all is well.

Steve

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