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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 4:01 AM

Piers, I cannot believe how you find so much bench time!! Looking good mate.

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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Posted by taxtp on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 5:40 AM

I've just had a look at the completed models, they all look fantastic. I hope we can squeeze out a few more, as this is my favourite subject.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by Sergeant on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 12:00 PM

lostagain

Harold, geez, I dunno, after all you did promise me a Lancaster....

Just kidding, be really good to see the Spitfire!

Tony, the Kittyhawk is off to a racing start there, the resin seat looks good.

 

Thank you, Piers, I normally don't change my plans so much, but I have this cool new cockpit upgrade kit from Eduard and the decals for a RAAF Spitfire, plus I will have time between now and March.

Harold

 

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Posted by lostagain on Wednesday, December 15, 2021 7:12 AM

Harold,

I saw the detail kit and was interested. I bought the 1/72 version to put into a Ventura short run Spitfire VIII. One of these days...

 

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Posted by Patrick N on Thursday, December 16, 2021 4:14 AM

Can I seek help, all?

RAF Sky Grey, eeek!    I have Xtracrylix (XA1007) RAF sky which is - to my admittedly imperfect colour vision - too green-ish and Tamiya XF-19 Sky Grey close to hand.  But I am not sure about their deployment as the deadline looms.

This pic in particular shows some of the aircraft I'm trying to model - to me (accepting the light may be washing out the colours) the underside might be a lightish grey on the port side but the band on the rear fuselage and spinner seem a lot lighter, possibly white?

What drives at the moment is getting the engine onto the model to allow painting proper to begin.  There is however a black to (lighter underside colour) divide up one of the frontal ducts and, though others might be able to remask that in-situ I'm not sure I can. 

So I seek advice from the forum on what lighter colour (XF-19, XF-19 cut with, say 1/3 white, XF-76 IJN Gray Green [no offence meant], neat white, RLM65)?  Likewise the fuselage band, which in the the picture above appears in the aircraft second from the camera to be lighter than the undersides....  

(I mention RLM65 as the kit mapping calls the undersides 'light blue'.)

Any advice gratefully received....

Patrick

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, December 17, 2021 5:45 PM

Patrick: Sorry no idea about the colour but I'm going to bump this back to the top in case someone knows might see it. 

The band and spinner are much lighter for sure. Maybe a light blue or white? I dunno. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by lostagain on Friday, December 17, 2021 8:20 PM

Hi Patrick,

I had a look through some of my references, and the most I could get was that the Buffaloes were RAF standard Dark green and dark earth on top and the underside was sky. To be lighter, I am thinking that the fuselage band must be white?

To have a great rundown on RAF Dark Green, Dark Brown and Sky, You should have a look at Horold's (Sergeant) work in the Supermarine Vickers GB. The RAF Sky does have a green tinge to it.

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Posted by Patrick N on Saturday, December 18, 2021 8:41 AM

Thanks both for the replies.  I spent a certain amount of time cleaning airbrushes after posting and the mad panic is beginning to abate :)

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Posted by lostagain on Wednesday, December 22, 2021 7:11 AM

But now i'm going to throw you a curve ball Patrick - I have found more info on the 21 Squadron scheme.  Bit of a throwback to the old pre war fighter command split colour on the undersides, but with sky blue and black, and a fuselage band of sky?

21 Sqdr planes wrecked in Malaya show the black underside port side.

ANd a photo of one of the 453 Sqdr planes (at the other end of the line up) shows the same black port undersides.

 (photo's not showing, I will sort that out tomorrow)

So it looks like the info from the previous post's photo was incorrect. SO hopefully I have not thrown you too far off course.

 

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Posted by Patrick N on Wednesday, December 22, 2021 9:20 AM

lostagain

But now i'm going to throw you a curve ball Darren - I have found more info on the 21 Squadron scheme.  Bit of a throwback to the old pre war fighter command split colour on the undersides, but with sky blue and black, and a fuselage band of sky?

21 Sqdr planes wrecked in Malaya show the black underside port side.

And a photo of one of the 453 Sqdr planes (at the other end of the line up) shows the same black port undersides.

So it looks like the info from the previous post's photo was incorrect. SO hopefully I have not thrown you too far off course.

 

@Lost, thanks for the response :)

I did find a debate on this on BM which made me feel a little better, there seemed much contention on the subject (and that's without the eminent Tom Cleaver's "US Paint" suggestion - https://modelingmadness.com/review/allies/us/cleaverbuffalo.htm)

To me the colour picture above is most informative, I have heard of the photographic quirks which had everyone making A6m's in white for fifty years vice the pea green they turned out to be painted in, but the fuselage band does like a lot like the white in the roundels and fin flashes in addition to looking lighter than the undersides (previous pic...)

Might be academic, beast is fighting me with skill and passion.  Still I have found the radio antenna and drilled for it after considering a day to make another. I'm about to try a second type of canopy glue too, maybe this will work :)

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by darrenshinn on Wednesday, December 22, 2021 10:14 AM

Well, that fuselage band looks to be the same colour as the middle of the tail flashes (or as close as my ageing eyes can tell) in the photograph, but is obviously sky in the colour chart. This is with all the usual caveats about colour(ized?) photographs from that era.

Having spent many a long hour down the rabbit hole of researching LRDG paint schemes in the past, it's probably best not to just go with something reasonably sensible and claim "field conditions"/availability of paint of the correct colour in theatre/weathering if anyone complains Big Smile

Although, having said that, I need to pick an "intermediate blue" (ANA608) for the Catalina, and I gather that causes a lot of debate...

 

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, December 22, 2021 11:20 AM

Good luck Patrick!!!

 

I'm hoping to be done with my Spit by the end of the year. Little more work on cleaning up a few rough areas and cross your fingers I'll be done.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Patrick N on Wednesday, December 22, 2021 2:30 PM

Gamera

Good luck Patrick!!!

And you, Gamera, sir :)

Thanks also to Darren, good point well made.  It turns out I actually have the components for one of the fancier recipes of RAF Sky and will see how this works out for the fuselage band, also the prop spinner (third time and last, I hope.) 

The Buffalo is now stuffed full of wet tissue to mask various bits, my extremely cool (until you find out what blades cost) #65 scalpel found sterling use, some GS Hypo watch cement seems to have earned its keep and hence I have reasonable hopes of primering the beast tomorrow.  :)

The 1/144th Buff is still awaiting etch incidentally, and it seems a shape not to wait for it.  I have enough issues with native clumsiness and etch in 72nd so this is to be a trial of detailing in smaller scales for me, alas the shortage means I can see it missing the GB but the experience gained here with the larger-scale one (and indeed learning to three-point a Buffalo in War Thunder!) suggest it will get made later.  Maybe I will know what colour to paint it then...    

 

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  • From: Australia
Posted by taxtp on Wednesday, December 22, 2021 2:48 PM

As I understand it, and as Red Roo models publication 'The Buffalo Down Under' states, the underside is the split scheme, the fuselage band is sky type S. I trust these guys to get it right every time. 

Cheers

Tony

 

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by Patrick N on Thursday, December 23, 2021 4:31 AM

Cheers Tony, aiming for the split underside scheme, hoping for a credible Sky...

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Posted by Patrick N on Friday, December 24, 2021 8:23 AM

Happy Christmas all :)  This I guess is an early present:

 aint_no_rest by Patrick Nevin, on Flickr

Not sure what caused it - left the model to dry after pre-paint sanding and this is what awaited.  The forked crack extends around most of the port horizontal tail with a nice jag though some panel lines.  (I'd just mixed a batch of the 'fancy' Sky recipe too :))

OK, time to break out the liquid cement and loud grumpy music.  What does not kill us, makes us stronger.

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, December 24, 2021 9:06 AM

Yeouch!!! Sorry to see that Patrick, I'm dealing with some peeled paint on mine but I've never had a model crack like that. I mean, I've had stuff cracked in the box but never while building!

Good luck!!! If nothing else works squeeze some superglue in the gap and sand it flush. I just hope nothing else decides to crack like that too.

Merry Christmas guys!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Australia
Posted by lostagain on Friday, December 24, 2021 1:09 PM

Aaaarrrrrrrggggghh!!

Patrick that is a real bummer, but as you said it is still in place so a bit of glue and grumpy energy should see you right.

And a merry Aussie Christmas all and have a good safe time!

 

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Posted by darrenshinn on Friday, December 24, 2021 4:23 PM

A Merry Christmas to all you Aussies as well. Shame you've already opened the present we sent from England (the cricket team) and broken it Big Smile

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Posted by lostagain on Friday, December 24, 2021 11:57 PM

Hahahaha, we're a bit careless like that Darren!

I'm off to the MCG for the first day's play tomorrow, let's see how it goes.

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, December 25, 2021 8:02 AM

Merry Christmas guys!!!

I could use a nice warm Aussie Christmas up here. Though it is running about 16 C so I can't complain!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by lostagain on Monday, December 27, 2021 7:09 AM

There is a bit more done n the yellow jacket. Using the conversion template I have drilled holes for the rocket brackets, and filled in all the wrong cartridge holes.

Next I used coarse milliput to mount brass gun barrels in the wings. Next to close the wings etc etc.

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Posted by Sergeant on Monday, December 27, 2021 11:19 AM

Sergeant
lostagain

Harold, geez, I dunno, after all you did promise me a Lancaster....

Just kidding, be really good to see the Spitfire!

Tony, the Kittyhawk is off to a racing start there, the resin seat looks good.

 

Thank you, Piers, I normally don't change my plans so much, but I have this cool new cockpit upgrade kit from Eduard and the decals for a RAAF Spitfire, plus I will have time between now and March.

Harold

Good morning from the Pacific Northwest. The model is an Eduard 1/48 Spitfire Mk. IIa. with an Eduard Brassin (brass and resin) Spitfire Mk. II cockpit. The aircraft I intend to represent was P8038 flown by Fl/Lt. Brendan E.F. Finucane DSO, DFC, No. 452 Squadron RAAF, RAF Kenley, Great Britain, August 1941.

Harold

Fl/Lt. Brendan (Paddy) E.F. Finucane

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Monday, December 27, 2021 4:30 PM

Sounds interesting Harold. 

Darren, yesterday I thought the Poms were on there way back and we were going to have a contest. Then came the afternoon........... I guess we'll see how good the Aussie bowlers are today - or not.

Patrick that is just plain unkind. I've never seen a kit do that before. Was there any difficulty with the fit of the fuselage halves?

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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Posted by Sergeant on Tuesday, December 28, 2021 2:02 PM

Thank you Rob, good to get started mate.

Harold

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, December 28, 2021 10:38 PM

Looks good Piers! I like the idea of using Milliput to stabilize the guns in the wings, when I replace them I just cement them to the front. I may have to borrow that idea for myself.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Patrick N on Wednesday, December 29, 2021 8:11 AM

Dodgy
Patrick that is just plain unkind. I've never seen a kit do that before. Was there any difficulty with the fit of the fuselage halves?

I had to shim the front out a mil or so, but otherwise it seemed OK?  In the cold light of day I wonder if it was the white spirit pre-paint wipe that did it - had this make plastic crumble distressingly before and every bottle I buy smells a bit different so I assume the composition changes?

The port horizontal tail did actually part company but hopefully this won't show in the eventual result (currently in the middle of the dark earth stage...) 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, December 29, 2021 9:09 AM

Wow, I've never tried washing the kit with anything but dishwashing detergent and water.

I hope things are working out better now. The brown earth should cover any issues I'd think.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, December 30, 2021 9:15 AM

My Spit is 99.99 complete. The missing clear part sprue turned up last night. So I can now add the reflector gunsight and the missing navigation light behind the cockpit.Took some photos but don't have the right USB cable and don't want to log into Google mail on the work PC.

Cross your fingers I'll have the completed photos tomorrow. Thanks for the extension Piers- with you guys being 13-16 hours ahead of me I may not make the end of the year there... 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by 68GT on Thursday, December 30, 2021 11:23 AM

So I have 3 months to complete this one.  I'm not sure how detailed its going to be but this is where I am right now.  Have to find the upper wing section I misplaced though first or it's senseless.

On Ed's bench, ???

  

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