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GAF
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Posted by GAF on Saturday, October 28, 2023 11:20 AM

keavdog

Must have been an exciting rider for the driver!

 
I can imagine! Especially if the area was heavily mined!
 
I've managed to get a coat of primer on, which was Mr. Surfacer 1000.  It revealed a few places that needs more sanding.  I'll do that and maybe it will be ready for paint.
 
 
Gary

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Posted by keavdog on Friday, October 27, 2023 9:59 PM

Must have been an exciting rider for the driver!

Thanks,

John

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Friday, October 27, 2023 9:47 PM

The VsKfz 617 Minenräumer

Built in the Alkett factory near Berlin, the VsKfz 617 Minenräumer was heavily armored and designed to detonate mines by simply rolling over them. (VsKfz is short for Versuchs Kraftfahrzeug, meaning “test vehicle.”) The three-wheeled vehicle’s wide track was designed to clear a mine-free path for other vehicles to safely travel. The sole prototype carried the Alkett chassis number of 9537 and was registered as NK-101. Unfortunately, much solid information on this vehicle has been lost to history.

The Alkett VsKfz 617 had two large main power wheels at its front. A smaller, caster-style rear wheel was used for turning. Via power take offs and clutches, turning the steering wheel engaged worm shafts on both sides of the hull. The worm shafts operated in opposite directions—one side drew in a chain while the other slackened a separate chain. The chains extended through the VsKfz 617’s hull and were connected to each side of the rear wheel, rotating it as the driver turned the steering wheel. There is no indication that any differential steering was available.

Each wheel was made up of 10 links and 10 thick, heavy, solid shoes. The pin that connected two links also attached a shoe. Three of the shoes would come together on the ground for each wheel. The total of nine shoes gave the VsKfz 617 ample ground contact. The thick shoes were also resistant to damage from mine blasts. Damaged individual shoes and links could be easily replaced.
The VsKfz 617’s transmission was positioned in middle of the vehicle. A shaft led from each side of the transmission and engaged the gearing for the main wheels.

A Maybach HL-120 V-12 engine was situated transversely behind the transmission. This gasoline engine produced 300 hp (224 kW) from its 4.13 in (105 mm) bore and 4.53 (115 mm) stroke cylinders. Its total displacement was 729 cu in (11.9 L). Two radiators were positioned behind the engine. Cooling air was brought in from ducts on the upper middle of the VsKfz 617 and expelled through vents on its upper rear. A 190 gallon (720 L) fuel tank was positioned above the rear wheel.

The VsKfz 617’s hull had about 39 in (1 m) of ground clearance that helped protect the crew from mine detonations. Furthermore, the bottom of the vehicle’s hull consisted of 1.58 in (40 mm) thick armor plating, with an additional 0.79 in (20 mm) of armor sheeting inside—creating a double hull. The rest of the vehicle’s hull thickness varied from 0.39 to 1.58 in (10 to 40 mm).

For defensive armament, the VsKfz 617 prototype had a Panzer I turret with two 7.92 mm MG 34 machine guns. However, the production version would have a Panzer II turret with a single 20 mm KwK 30 L/55 cannon and one MG 34 machine gun. The driver occupied the left side of the vehicle and saw out via a small slit in the upper armor. A rear wheel position indicator was just in front of the driver’s view. The vehicle’s commander was on the right, operating the turret. The VsKfz 617 was 20.6 ft (6.28 m) long, 10.6 ft (3.22 m) wide, and 9.5 ft (2.90 m) tall. It weighed 55 tons (50 tonne).

Testing of the VsKfz 617 started as soon as it was completed in 1942. It was quickly found that the VsKfz 617’s method for steering was unsatisfactory and that the vehicle was slow and hard to handle. To make matters worse, its immense weight caused the vehicle to easily get bogged down. The VsKfz 617 and plans for its manufacture were abandoned after the tests.

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Friday, October 27, 2023 9:34 PM

Cary,

Good work on the Raumer!  I look forward to seeing them finished.  Smile

Keavdog,

Glad to have you with us!  I have this kit and look forward to seeing your build.

 

As for me, I've finally got some orange paint that should work.  We'll see.

Gary 

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Posted by keavdog on Friday, October 27, 2023 9:12 PM

I'm in if it's not too late.  I have this coming next week Cool

 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, October 27, 2023 8:54 PM

Yeah you've got some significant work done there Cary! Yes

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by cwalker3 on Friday, October 27, 2023 9:22 AM

Thanks Gary. This baby is going together quicker than I thought. Very few parts on the Raumer S. Here's where I am on that. Painting next.

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Cary

 


GAF
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Posted by GAF on Thursday, October 26, 2023 8:13 PM

Cary,

Looks like a lot of fiddly bits, but it's coming along.  That's the problem with 1/72nd, they go together so quickly.  Big Smile

Good job!

Gary

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  • From: Forest Hill, Maryland
Posted by cwalker3 on Thursday, October 26, 2023 1:18 PM

I'm going to go ahead a get started. This a 1/72 combo kit from Takom Of the Krupp Raumer S and the Sd.kfz 617 Minenraumer.

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I haven't done a 1/72 kit in a while and am definitely a little taken aback by the parts size, but I've done smaller. The build starts with the Minenraumer. The main body is just two pieces with most of the build taken up with the vehicles three massive wheels.

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And all of those pieces build up into these.

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Now I'll let everything dry nice and hard and then begin sanding all of those seams on the wheel pads. This little guy really is going togther quickly and should be ready for paint tomorrow.

Cary

 


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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, October 25, 2023 6:32 PM

Looks good Gary! Looking forward to seeing the cool orange on there! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Tuesday, October 24, 2023 5:03 PM

There's some minor filling and sanding left to do, but she's about ready for paint.  I'll see if I can give her a coating of primer tomorrow.

Overall, this is an enjoyable build.  The wheel covers fit snugly, so there was minor filll required.  The only fill that's really required is the part at the rear of the canopy.  Don't know why they didn't make it part of the main fuselage or canopy instead of a separate piece.  Oh, well!

Gary

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, October 23, 2023 6:34 PM

Yeah, the turret is like the one on the US Army's M-18 Super Hellcat where they replaced the normal 76mm gun with a 90mm. The commander was given strict orders never to fire the gun with the turret turned more than 30 degrees from centreline since they were worried the recoil would flip the whole TD on it's side or upside down. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Monday, October 23, 2023 4:05 PM

Gamera,

I'm going to post information on lots of X-craft, so it's not necessary for people to post information about their builds.  Big Smile

To build a tank destroyer you think they might have built one like the Stug or SU-100.  The turret with such a large gun reminds me of the Tiger in "Kelly's Heroes" being unable to turn.

Gary

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Sunday, October 22, 2023 9:09 PM

Thanks Gary! Guess I should have posted that but I'm lazy.... Sleep

 

I love the British, they don't do anything halfway! The whole thing is so batguano over-the-top you have to love it. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

GAF
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  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Sunday, October 22, 2023 7:20 AM

The FV4005 "Doombarn"

The development of the L4 started in 1950, and was aimed at increasing the firepower of the ‘Heavy Gun Tanks’. This was a uniquely British designation that was not governed by tank weight, but the size of the gun. A requirement was formulated for a tank armed with a gun capable of defeating a 60-degree sloped plate, 6 inches (152 mm) thick, at up to 2,000 yards (1,830 meters), a feat impossible even for the powerful 120 mm L1 gun of the FV214 Conqueror. By 1950, Major General Stuart B. Rawlins, Director General of Artillery (D.G. of A.) had concluded that there was no gun available with that level of ballistic performance and an investigation was launched. Initially, the British Military looked at the development of a 155 mm gun that would be standardized with the USA. However, even this lacked the required punch and, as such, 6.5 and 7.2 inch (165 and 183 mm respectively) High-Explosive Squash Head (HESH) shells were looked at.

It was not until December 1952 that the designation of the gun was officially updated to 183 mm. The design of the gun was accepted and was serialized as the ‘Ordnance, Quick-Firing, 183 mm, Tank, L4 Gun’. In reality, only the HESH shell underwent further development and the number of charges was dropped to one. The 183 mm L4 became one of the largest and most powerful tank guns in the world.

The design of the vehicle would be held in limbo, ready to go into production if necessary. This stopgap vehicle would be based on the Centurion of the FV4000 series, with the original turret removed. The vehicle would go through two ‘Stages’ or ‘Schemes’. ‘Stage 1’ was built to test the gun and its mount on the Centurion chassis. The ‘Stage 2’ was a finalized design and would be the production standard. The vehicle was given the designation of ‘Heavy Anti-Tank, SP, No. 1’ – ‘SP’ standing for ‘Self-Propelled’. Officially, the FV4005 was never given the traditional British ‘C’ name such as the FV4101 Charioteer and FV4004 Conway before it.

In total three prototypes were ordered – a single Stage 1, and two Stage 2s. The FV4005 would fill the role of a ‘Heavy Gun Tank’. As such, the vehicle would engage targets from long-range, firing over the heads of attacking lighter tanks.

The Centurion was chosen as the basis for this vehicle and three Mk.3 hulls were removed from service for the prototype development. Other than the removal of the turret and various small additions, the hull would remain mostly unaltered. Armor on the hull remained the same thickness, with about 3 inches (76 mm) at roughly 60 degrees on the front slope. A 650 hp Rolls-Royce Meteor petrol engine, located at the rear of the vehicle, propelled the tank. The Centurion used a Horstmann style suspension, with 3 bogies per side carrying 2 wheels each. The drive sprocket was at the rear with the idler at the front. The driver was located at the front right of the hull.

The Stage 2 was built closest to what a production version of the FV4005 would consist of. As such, a number of changes were made between the two Stages. The biggest change was the design and construction of a fully enclosed turret to the form of little more than a large box. The loading assist for the loader was also deleted, and the concentric recoil system was replaced by a hydropneumatic type.

The turret was welded and fabricated from ½ inch (14 mm) thick steel and was there to protect the crew from small arms fire and shell splinters. As this was intended to be a second line vehicle that would keep out of the range of enemy AFVs, the FV4005 did not need really thick armor. There were two hatches on the roof and one large door on the rear. The roof hatches were two-piece and, in front of them, were two single periscopes installed in the turret roof.

Like the Stage 1, the Stage 2 featured a recoil spade installed at the rear of the vehicle. However, on the Stage 2, a hand-cranked winch was installed on the rear of the vehicle to lower the spade.

Despite the general success of the project, the FV4005 suffered much the same fate as the FV215. The feared Soviet heavy tanks, like the IS-3, which these vehicles were designed to defeat, were not being made in the massive numbers expected, indicating a shift in policy to lighter, more maneuverable, and more lightly armored tanks. The need for ‘Heavy Gun Tanks’ like the Conqueror, FV215 and the FV4005 stand-in, from this perspective, was simply becoming absent. Other changes were also taking place as technology-wise, larger caliber guns with their huge ammunition were becoming obsolete by improved anti-armor performance of smaller guns and by the appearance of a new generation of accurate Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGM).

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Sunday, October 22, 2023 6:56 AM

Bob,

Sounds like a plan.  I hope Jeaton has something for you.  Big Smile

Gamera,

The complicated track system is why I stay away from armor!  Good luck!

Gary

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  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, October 22, 2023 1:04 AM

bobbaily

Gary-Short Tail version.  Hope to pick another one up someday and build the Long Tail.

 

Bob, email me.  jeaton01(at)gmail.com

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, October 21, 2023 9:16 PM

Gary: Thanks, I'm feeling a lot better now. 

I still have some stuff to finish up by the end of the year but I'm thinking of getting a little work done on the FV2005. The suspension system is so complicated I can work on it during some downtime. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Saturday, October 21, 2023 6:21 PM

Gary-Short Tail version.  Hope to pick another one up someday and build the Long Tail.

Bob

 

GAF
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  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Saturday, October 21, 2023 12:31 AM

Bob,

Thanks!  It's a nice little kit.  You actually get two for one, as long as you can make some wings for it.  I'll include the broom handle just as soon as I find a saw small enough.  Wink

I was meaning to ask, is this the long-tailed or short-tailed version?

 

Gamera,

I understand you've been down with the flu.  Hope you're feeling better!  Take care of yourself.  This is just a hobby, after all.  Smile

Gary

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, October 20, 2023 7:45 PM

Those look great guys! Sorry I've been a little out of the loop but hopefully I'm back now. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Friday, October 20, 2023 3:43 PM

She looks good Gary.  Think I'm going to have to add that kit to my stash-makes more sense than the Revell 1/48 kit-especially for space purposes.

If you are building Yeager's record setting flight, be sure to add broom stick to the cockpit Wink

And thank you for posting the info for the Aerotech.  I did get most parts primed today and hope to paint the body tomorrow.  Still researching the color(s) for the floor pan.  Nice thing is that there are plenty of pics online.

Bob

 

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Friday, October 20, 2023 1:06 PM

Finished up the pit and glued the stabilizers on.  Not the greatest, but its done.  The red blob is my attempt to create a pilot figure.  We'll see how it goes.

I then glued on the wings.  I've put together the stand that comes with it.  This is where she is now.  I'll attempt to refine the pilot figure and give her some filler and primer next.

She's coming along nicely.

Gary

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Monday, October 16, 2023 9:36 PM

To keep up the X-perimental nature of this group, I present the

Oldsmobile Aerotech

At the end of 1984, the development of Oldsmobile Quad 4 engine was beginning. It was an inline-4 engine incorporating four valves per cylinder and dual overhead camshafts, an innovative technology used on a four-cylinder engine at the time. Oldsmobile advertised the engine to be highly fuel efficient and powerful. The engine generated a maximum power output of 150 hp (112 kW) and 160 lb⋅ft (217 N⋅m) in its standard configuration, outclassing the four-cylinder engines developed by German automobile manufacturers BMW and Mercedes, even rivalling Honda's 2.5-liter V6 engine.

By the end of 1986, the construction of the first car was completed; the car was tested by A. J. Foyt at the General Motors proving grounds at Mesa, Arizona. Foyt, who was initially skeptical about the car's potential, admired the car's capabilities as he managed to take the car to speeds up to 218 mph (351 km/h) on the test track. Foyt is said to have admired the car for its stability at high speeds.

After the successful runs at the General Motors proving grounds, the development team decided to put Welburn's long-tail design to test as well. Construction of a second car in this specification had begun in late 1985. The second car was almost the same as the first but featured elongated rear bodywork tapering downwards and a different engine, departing from the original 2.3-liter single turbocharged Quad 4 engine built by Batten to a twin turbocharged 2.3-litre Quad 4 engine, built in collaboration with Fueling Engineering. The new engine proved to be even more capable than its predecessor and generated a maximum power output in excess of 1,000 hp (746 kW).

On August 26, 1987, the development team, in the presence of FIA officials, tested the two completed cars on the Fort Stockton test track. Initial tests with the short-tail version of the car resulted in an average speed of 250.919 mph (403.815 km/h), falling close behind the closed-course speed record set by the Mercedes CIII-IV development prototype. As the team went on to adjust the car's aerodynamics, A. J. Foyt tested the second car (long-tail version). The long-tail version proved to be even more capable than its short-tail sibling and allowed Foyt to attain a top speed of 275 mph (443 km/h) at the flying mile after some practice runs.

The next day, Foyt set a new speed record with the long-tail version, averaging 267.399 mph (430.337 km/h) after flying-mile runs in both directions of the track. The runs made with the now improved short-tail version, shortly after, resulted in a new closed-course speed record of 257.123 mph (413.799 km/h), beating Mercedes' record by a big margin.

Oldsmobile produced three versions of the original Aerotech to prove the capabilities of the company's Quad 4 engine. Two cars were built with shorter rear body work and were called Short Tail versions (ST), and one was built with a longer rear body work and thus called the Long Tail (LT).

Subsequently, between December 7 and 15, 1992, another version of the Aerotech, this time powered by a 4.0-litre Oldsmobile Aurora V8 engine and now fitted with functional lights, broke 47 speed endurance records, including the 10,000- and 25,000-kilometre world speed records. Other national and international speed records ranging from 10 kilometres to 24 hours were accomplished by a team of drivers working 24 hours a day for 8 days. These records were also set at the Fort Stockton test track.

 

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Monday, October 16, 2023 9:20 PM

Real G,

Thanks for the write-ups on the Ki-98 and the SRA-1.  I was planning to do episodes on X-craft as a feature of the group build to keep it interesting, and to learn something.  Always happy when someone beats me to it.  Smile

As for the problems with fit of the SRA-1, I guess that can be expected.  Hopefully, they won't be too much of a problem.

And as for the color, I did a bit of research last night.  I think Testors orange might be close enough according to sources.  We'll see.

Bob,

That is nice!  I think the rattle can gloss looks best on the left side.  I like to get an early start on GBs, as I usually run into problems that make me months late.  YMMV. 

 

As for me, I've cut out the pit and fuselage to see how they fit.  I don't expect any problems with it since its from Tamiya.  I'm not sure about the color call-outs, however.  I get various colors from different sources.  Guess that's too be expected too.

I've made a tracing of the wing on some plasticard to use on a future version.  Luckily, Tamiya provides a canopy for a later version, though no pit.  Looks like some scratch-building in my future.  Smile

The Testor bottle is there to show size.  A pretty small aircraft.

Gary

  • Member since
    November 2003
  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Monday, October 16, 2023 4:44 PM

Real G-no doubt in my mind that you'll have both kits whipped into shape in no time.  And thank you (and Gary with the X-1) for the history behind the planes.

I was able to get some work done on the Olds Aerotech.  Got the body primed and had an extra tail section for the long tail-decided to see if I liked Tamiya spray Gloss Aluminium (left side) or Tamiya acrylic Chrome Aluminum (air brush with Tamiya lacquer thinner)-right side.  Think I'm gonna go with the rattle can for the gloss finish.  Now I'll tape off and spray/airbrush some Gunmetal Gray and see if that works out.

Assembled the short tail chasis/floor pan-not the best of fits but nothing that super glue and putty didn't fix

Did some dry fitting and and now aware that this kit might not be best served to leave the upper body panels unglued to the chasis pan-we'll see but maybe the engine cover and cowling might be left unattached.

Primed chasis with Indy Car sub-structure primed-chasis interior will get airbrush aluminium and Indy Car fuselage with be black-Carbon fiber would be better but black is close enough...

Probably won't get much more done until Thursday but pleased with not waiting until close to the end of a GB to get started.

Bob

 

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  • From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posted by Real G on Monday, October 16, 2023 1:28 PM

Gary,

I think the X-1 was painted a straight orange, not the day-glo or international red that subsequent prototypes were painted.  I have seen some photos of the real X-1 looking faded on top during testing, probably due to the scorching sun.

“Ya ya ya, unicorn papoi!”

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Posted by Real G on Monday, October 16, 2023 12:57 PM

Okay, kicking off the GB with a test fitting.

The Meng Ki-98 fits like a glove.  The Xtrakit SR.A/1, not so much.  Not even a little.  Not even a little bit.  Holy time warp, Batman, it's like MPM back in the 1990s!  But I big boy so I no cry.  It's the 21st century, and I have my tools of destruction and skillset (HA!) to deal with this kit.  A fellow over on Britmodeller, I believe, recently did this kit to an exceptional level of fit and finish.  So the bar is set.

But yeah, the Ki-98 is super simple by comparison, so it will get done first.

Oh yeah, some potted history:

 

The Saunder-Roe SR.A/1 was borne from a late 1940s Royal Navy requirement for a jet propelled seaplane fighter.  The idea was that the need for vulnerable forward air bases would be eliminated, allowing the fighter to be deployed almost anywhere there was a body of water.  Three protoypes were constructed, and while they exhibited decent flying characteristics, it was felt that their performance fell short of the land based jet fighters that were being developed at the time.

Notable features included use of the first production Martin Baker ejection seats and an ingenious outrigger float retraction system that rotated the floats so that they nestled under the wings in an inverted positon to cut drag.  Two were lost in accidents, and the sole surviving aircraft currently resides in the Solent Sky Museum.

 

The Mansyu Ki98 was a late WW II Imperial Japanese Army ground attack aircraft project that didn't proceed as far as the Saunders-Roe fighter.  I beilieve a prototype was under construction, but all materials and documents were destroyed to prevent them from falling into Aliied hands.  The Ki-98, although fantastic looking for an IJA aircraft, was similar to a number of successful designs like the SAAB J 21 and DeHavilland Vampire.

The Ki-98 was designed for ground attack, so a pair of 20mm and a single 37mm cannon were to be housed in the nose.  Power was to come from a turbo-supercharged 2,000 HP engine buried in the fuselage and cooled by flush slots and no doubt an internal fan.  Another unusual feature was the tricycle landing gear, necessary due to the rear mounted pusher propeller.

Its IJN cousin, the Kyushu J7W1 Shinden, got a bit further with a completed prototype and even a few test hops.  The Shinden was designed to be a bomber interceptor, but both it and the Ki-98 featured heavy nose mounted cannon armament, pusher engines in the 2,000 HP class, and tricycle landing gear.

“Ya ya ya, unicorn papoi!”

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Saturday, October 14, 2023 9:46 PM

Real G

And it had...  The Right Stuff.

I'll get my coat.

Well... someone did.  Big Smile

The kit itself is interesting.  There are 3 versions you can paint up, and it comes with four fuselages.  Two halves are transparent, so you can show the internal workings of the rocket system.  If you only had two more wings and tail you could build two different versions.  Maybe I'll try to make them and build two, but not for this GB.

Also, it comes with convenient ball bearing for weighting the nose.  I guess it would be a tail-sitter without it.

Of course, I intend to build it wheels-up, so no need for worrying about weight.

Anybody know what color orange I should use?

Gary

  • Member since
    May 2011
  • From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posted by Real G on Saturday, October 14, 2023 2:04 AM

And it had...  The Right Stuff.

I'll get my coat.

“Ya ya ya, unicorn papoi!”

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