Mad Fokker Day: 17 October 2004

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Thanks again djmodels1999! I think I got it now. Here goes:





Now i'll work on mine URL!!


Regards,

The easiest if you do not have a website of your own, is to download your pics onto Ron's site (there's a link on that thread). It's real easy. You need to fill in the two fields on the log-in page: type "newfsm" in the top one and "models" as the password, then go into the uploading gallery (there's a scroll down thingy at the top from where you can select the "add pictures" option).

Thanks djmodel1999! That means I must have an URL. I´ll look into it as soon as I can!

Regards,

Rafael, try this:

http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4462

Hi Shrikes,

The good thing about WW1 modelling, is that if you are not sure about the tone of red to use, most probably neither all other people are!! The matter of colours is even today, a most subjective one, so by going back almost one century... I did the Roden Dr1 a few years ago (I would post a picture, if i found how to do it...), and then I used Tamyia acrylic flat red. And it looked good to me....

Just a question: how do we know what kind of read to use if all the refference pictures of the time were black and white? I suppose any-old red will do... ? Tamiya only makes 2 or 3, so i'll have to be content with that.

It does look really cool and also quite complicated, Dan..! Great skills!

I've been adding more links and pictures to the 'introductory' message of this thread; those latest additions include yet more reviews of the latest Revell kit, plus pictures and links to yet more decals, in case you were not interested in an overall red machine!

Hope this helps!

It is very interesting to built, not to mention that it really helps building up skills , however I did one mistake, I forgot to wash the PE sheets before starting, I just hope I won't destray the plane when I wash afterwards.

You can see the first pic on
http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26469
others will follow soon.

We all have some explaining to do, afterwards!

Well, usually it takes about 3 to 4 weeks for me to put together a simple subject, such as an Albatros DV... To do a Dr.1 in 24hrs, even with the small amount of rigging work.... its a chalenge... Therefore mine will be OOB, all-red, no thrils...

Now I´m in the process of explanining to SWMBO (she, who must be obeyed) why I'm suppose to start modeling such a tiny little bug at midnight, instead of being in the bed sleeping.... She thinks I'm really going nuts this time....

Welcome aboard, Balta1. That makes us 20 I think!

Hello everyone,
Count me in with the Revell kit. I will look into picking the etch set from Tom Modelwork's and some decals as well.

Hey Dan, You seem to know your subject! That strip down model looks very interesting! Let us know how things go if you are building it soon!

Ok, I just got one Dr1 today in Antwerp, I was going to get the Eduard Profipack ; guess what, right out of stock.

But... I've found the Striptea...euh, Strip down model from the same manufacterer.
I think I won't be making this one for the Mad Fokker Day though (I just can't wait that long ).
The reason I tell you this, is that you actually get two kits in this "box" ; the PE parts, and a complete plastic kit, from which you only need a few little parts.
What I'm going to do, is this, I'm going to get the cheap Revell, and use only the parts that I will mis in the Eduard kit (which is offcourse very nicely detailed).

The Revell-parts that I will use are :

- landinggear
- prop
- struts
and engine
all the rest will be Eduard...

Oh, and yes, the thought had crossed my mind of making the V3 prototype, that would have eleminated the need for interwing struts, but that plane is so unknown that you guys would have probably thought that I forgot those useless struts.
Yes, the struts on the Fokker Dr1 were useless, Fokker just added them because pilots didn't trust airplanes without them
(Look who did his homework)

By the way, did somebody allready mention that this is a very small airplane ?

Those busts were a cool addition to that series of kits, Shrikes! Good luck in your searches!

Hmmm... I think i'll follow the K.I.S.S. principal on this (Keep It Simple, Stupid!) and do Manfred von Richtoffen's all red Dr.1. => Though, i do want to get my hands on the dragon Dr.1, because it even comes with Kempf's bust in resin!

DJ-
thanks for all the leg-work & suggestions.
i am not sure my gf is ready for that kind of modeling!! [:0]
and probably too ticklish for brush painting!

i think i am going to order Blue Rider's for Jasta 2,
which has the Kempf markings & square crosses (i think).
naturally the decals cost more than the plane!
and if i go for the guns, i will have tripled the cost of the project!
but the total will still be at or under $20 US . . .

but the guns may be a bit ambitious for someone like me.
short time frame, and my PE experience is limited to 1/32 Aircraft & 1/35 armor.

here is a pic i found for square cross bird, but i think these stripes are oblique.

Cool! And yes, those Young Indiana Jones mini-movies are great!

QUOTE: Originally posted by djmodels1999 Frosty, Well we can give you another full day if that makes it easier for you. I realise some people have other more important things to do on their Sundays! I'd love to see you joining this! As to Nungesser, he is best known for his Nieuport 17, all silver with the skull and coffin insigna.. Brrr! A cold customer, this Nungesser! My advice would be to start with the Fokker Dr.1, then pass on to a Nieuport 11 to hone in your skills then go for the SPAD XIII. After that, you'll be ready for the Ilya Murometz four-engined biplaneTsarist bomber...

Domi:
as long as no-one thinks it's wrong 2 b out of sync w/ the group... i do want 2 try &
participate. i was watching a tape of 'attack of the hawkmen' the other nite, it's a
young indiana jones episode... he joins the lafayette escadrille as a photo recon
officer & meets von richtofen (has lunch w/ him after the baron shoots down his
plane, actually)as well as charles nungesser & then goes on a mission 2 convince fokker 2 work for the allies. great footage of biplane dogfights, & a great scene in a
hangar w/ an enormous zeppelin at the end. that's where i saw the nungesser plane
w/ his candlesticks, coffin & skull & crossbones insignia... & indy is credited w/
giving the baron the idea 2 paint his plane red, LOL !
so if i can find that revell kit, i'm going 2 try & build it !

frosty

Wildwilliam, here's another pic of Kempf first Dr.1 (213/17) showing that the streaky camouflage was indeed close to being perpendicular to the wing axis and not as oblique as shown on Eduard's box art:



Kempf's second Dr.1 was (apparently) the 493/17.

Well worth thinking about is this PE set marketed by Tom Modelworks to detail/replace the plastic machine guns of the kits (Eduards's profipack Dr.1 has some PE for the guns too):



Here's a link to Tom's site:

http://www.tomsmodelworks.com/default.asp

The above set retails at $4.50, and can be used for other WWI aircraft too.

Each of the two Dr.1 guns can thus be replaced altogether by two superb little kits on their own. However, it's in the cooling 'mesh' around the gun itself that those PE sets make a real difference with the plastic bits...

As far as I'm concerned, I'm going to go for a Dr.1 piloted by Adolf Ritter von Tutschek, as shown on the cover of the Squadron book.

Here's another view of this aircraft:

You've got Saturday for your girlfriend! Get some body paint and practice the streaky camo on her..

Kempf's Dr.1 was awesome I think! If you have the Squadron Signal book, there are 3 pics of two of his Dr.1s. The first one has the left part of the horizontal stabilizer white, white 'K' on the fuselage, 1917 style national insignas and a streaky camouflage that appears, on the wings, to run perpendicular to the axis of those wings; the second one, probably a later machine, has the white part of the stabilizer on the right side, oblique streaky camouflage, fat and straght German crosses, dark (black?) fuselage 'K' and the white vertical stabilizer has a black outline; the back of the fuselage of this later airplane (or later two picture in any case) appears to be of a lighter, plain colour too...

Eduard's Kemppf Dr.1, if that's the one you're going for, is definitely the earlier aircraft.

i am getting amped up about Kempf's famously marked bird.
but wondering if the streaky look will be possible for me in the time frame & scale.
and wondering exactly when i will work on it w/ my girlfriend visiting that weekend!

I've had no proposals so far about the badge, so if you feel up to it, design one, Dan!

OK, you definitely count me in, I think I'll choose the...hmm, yeah I'll do the Dr1 .
Is somebody looking into the badge-thing ?

Dan, first of all welcome in this mad enterprise! Well, this first ever Mad Fokker Day will be for the Dr.1 but I can not stop you from building another or several other kits! I chose the Dr.1 because of its rather simple design (in terms of scale modeling) and the amount of easy color schemes it affords, since we only have 24 hrs to complete the project. Also, the Dr.1 is easy to find in kit, and cheap.

Ok, I'll do it too, have been here a few times and somehow every time I misread the date, actually thought it was already over.
In fact if my memory serves me right, the Fokker Dr1 from Revell (or it may have been Airfix) was my first kit ever, this will surely be a trip into the past for me.

One question though, the title says Mad Fokker Day, not Mad Fokker Dr1 Day, does this mean, other Fokkers are welcome too, if so, I would considder building a few different ones simultaniously, if allowed...

For those considering the blue/streaky green camo, and a touch of weatheering, please follow this excellent thread!

http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25799